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Aegeri

It already is ridiculously easy in the first place - even on the hardest difficulty. Bosses are the only challenge and once I figured out what the Typhoon did I was all "Oh, that's what it wants me to do". The problem with the battery charge is it means they are an entire waste of praxis points and utterly useless. I've honestly not bothered to go beyond my one battery despite having max, because I've never needed more than one battery anyway.

It's not making careful choices, it's just making a choice useless. There is a key and very important distinction in these concepts.

Orca

I'd say the biggest problem is that hacking is far far far too rewarding in this game, as is, to a lesser extent, unarmed melee takedowns.

But hacking chews up a bunch of praxis points and is required everywhere (and I do mean EVERYWHERE), gives lots of experience and other goodies, unlocks stuff and...yeah.

Aegeri

Yeah, hacking is really over-rewarded and if taken early the amount of XP snowballs so fast it pays for itself + everything else really quickly. By the end of the second trip to Detroit I had everything I wanted pretty much and there wasn't really anything meaningful left I wanted to take.

King Riptor

Verai wrote:

Aegeri wrote:

Yeah, if there is a flaw in this game it's that there is no way to charge past 1 battery. I would honestly hope a DLC pack or something adds that functionality in.

They're trying to encourage you to think of lots of different ways to solve problems except with your sword arms or wizardry.

Bullshit. If that was the case make them recharge slower or readjust the costs/cooldowns of the various augs. By the time I got to the second to last area I had four batteries and no way to refill them. That is a serious oversight

Cade

Time to hack the system.

So we all now know that Deus Ex: HR is enabling advertising in the loading screen, and obviously this has disappointed a lot of us who payed full price for the game and expected an immersive experience.

Discussed here: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/kgdmw/i_didnt_ask_for_this_deus_ex_hr_now_has_in_game/

So here is how to get rid of them without installing anything.

We're going to be using something called a 'hosts' file. A hosts file is kind of like your computers own little DNS server. Before looking up the address of a domain, your computer will look at your hosts file first.

So all we have to do is identify the ad server domains, and add rules that redirect them nowhere.

Here is a good reference for how to edit your hosts file on Windows 7: http://www.windowsreference.com/windows-7/edit-hosts-file-in-windows-7-windows-vista/

Basically you just need to start up notepad as an administrator and edit:

%systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

You need to add two lines to the end of the file.

127.0.0.1 doublefusion.com

127.0.0.1 *.doublefusion.com

This will redirect any attempts to hit the current DX ad servers to your localhost computer which isn't running a webserver.

Congratulations your Vision is Augmented. Go forth in the night with your sunglasses and fight conspiracy with your regained immersion.

kedinik

Orca wrote:

I'd say the biggest problem is that hacking is far far far too rewarding in this game, as is, to a lesser extent, unarmed melee takedowns.

But hacking chews up a bunch of praxis points and is required everywhere (and I do mean EVERYWHERE), gives lots of experience and other goodies, unlocks stuff and...yeah.

Yeah, high level hacking is practically mandatory if you want to catch as many plot details as possible.

Orca

Awesome idea. But it won't work. You need your own DNS server if you want to resolve wildcard addresses; the hosts file will only resolve full addresses.

That said, if we can get a list of everysingle doublefusion address it tries, we can block those via the hosts file easy peasy.

King Riptor

I'm hoping the DLC adds more hacking skills and removes nukes and stops as held items.
Its 2011. Nobody uses a disk that big for anything . We have SD cards now. Even just a generic portable hard drive would make more sense than a bunch of floppies.

Marty81

It's worth going up to 4 batteries if you want to use the candy bar jars. That's what I did in my stealth playthrough and it worked well.

Also this update...holy crap. The game runs so much more smoothly on my system now. I can actually sprint around outside with the game keeping up with it.

Orca

Looks like Gibbed is on the ball already. New version of his debug mode patch is out: http://mod.gib.me/deusex3/map-select+debug-menu_1.2.630.0.7z

I'm not sure if it includes the intro skipping stuff, but the debug menu alone makes it worthwhile.

Orca

And I just noticed this on Gibbed's site: http://blog.gib.me/2011/08/23/deus-ex-human-revolution-no-ads/

It's a drop-in replacement for the DLL that apparently downloads the ads. Just looking at the date, that DLL hasn't been touched in any of the recent updates, so presumably it works.

Ragnar Dragonfyre

Schwhat wrote:

I was reading posts in the gamefaqs forums, and there was one that piqued my interest. It was "What game would you compare Deus Ex: HR to as". And almost all of the reply posts were Metal Gear Solid...

Did I miss a step? How does this game not scream Splinter Cell (not the later ones in the series)? I thought Deus Ex was more like Splinter Cell mixed with Shadowrun (start menu music reminds me of Shadowrun).

Also, does anyone else say "Hack the planet." to themselves whenever they hack something or is it some weird obsession of mine after watching the movie Hackers when I was a kid?

Likely because far more people have played MGS than Splinter Cell. All of the Splinter Cell games slipped under my radar, but I've played all the MGS games.

milk ducks

So far, I've learned two things from Deus Ex: Human Revolution:

1. The button used to cancel and back out of menus should not be the same one you tap to coldcock somebody, and

2. If you have a 35% chance of being detected, that translates into a mathematical certainty that you will be detected.

Also, a friend of mine does some video game blog reviewy stuff. I figured I'd post a link to his Human Revolution stuff for you guys to check out if you're interested: http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=147

milk ducks

milk ducks wrote:

http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=147

The video in that link is actually really, really interesting, by the way. And not just because the dude's my friend, lol. There's a lot of commentary about what the game attempts to say, and a lot of comparisons to the original games.

DrunkMc

Just completed the game last night. Everything but the first three boss fights were awesome. I enjoyed the last one a lot more then the first three. Those boiled down to get some shots in, run away, SAVE. Rinse and Repeat, loading when they catch and kill me.

I didn't get the pacisfist achievement which is lame cause I don't recall killing anyone. So that sucks. But what are you going to do? Next run through I'm going to kill mother fuckers and punch walls! Also going to only hack to turn turrets and robots on the enemy. Otherwise, its Codes found or nothing!!

initiatefailure

Hmm, that's an interesting idea... I'm going to do a no hacking augs next run and just roleplay as barrett.

I'm just looking forward to doing a run where I can create and use an explosive revolver.

ZarathustraEck

My next run through the game is going to be shotgun, revolver, and no hacking allowed. We'll see how that goes.

First run was Pacifist with oodles of hacking and stealth, no Typhoon.
Current run is 10mm and Crossbow, stealthily killing everything in my path.

The Reverend Dr Galactus

darleysam wrote:

So the conversation battle after the first boss fight

where you argue with Sarif. I don't know how hard it is to win, but I nearly jumped up and danced around the room when Silver Tongue and the achievement for doing so. No social augs or anything. I much, much prefer the way HR handles conversations to LA Noire, which really bugged me with its OH YOU CHOSE WRONNNNG sound effect. HR feels a whole lot more organic, but also more strategic. I like Sarif as a character, and when he talks I get the impression that he's not a bad guy (don't tell me if I'm wrong, I've not played further than this!). He acts like he's withholding information but not maliciously, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would orchestrate a massive murder spree on his own company for selfish means. So I treated him accordingly, pushing him where needed but empathising to show I'm on his side, and bam, argument won.

I loved that argument.

I'm at the same point; I don't yet know if Sarif actually has some other kind of skeletons in the closet, but I got the same kind of vibe that whatever he was hiding, it was something more embarrassing than evil.

Getting Silver Tongue in this game more satisfying than most games' boss fights; not only does it make you care more about the characters, it gives the player a surprising feeling of agency that I don't think I've gotten from dialog trees before. You really have to read the way a conversation is going, like Adam's old squadmate at the desk in the precinct:

That moment when I realized "this guy isn't going to budge unless I hit him where it hurts" and chose the "crush" dialog option. And Silver Tongued it.

Goumindong

I haven't used the upgraded shotgun, but it the single shot seemed surprisingly lackluster to me.

Edit:

you totally do not need to crush the police officer at the desk, you heartless bastard

Invisible

DrunkMc wrote:

Just completed the game last night. Everything but the first three boss fights were awesome. I enjoyed the last one a lot more then the first three. Those boiled down to get some shots in, run away, SAVE. Rinse and Repeat, loading when they catch and kill me.

I didn't get the pacisfist achievement which is lame cause I don't recall killing anyone. So that sucks. But what are you going to do? Next run through I'm going to kill mother fuckers and punch walls! Also going to only hack to turn turrets and robots on the enemy. Otherwise, its Codes found or nothing!!

Did you kill the people at the very beginning during the incident? Because that counts, that and occasionally non-lethal weapons are lethal.

Ender

MrIamMe wrote:

Just downloaded a patch -

Feature Additions:
- The Enter and Numpad-Enter keys can now be bound to game actions in the keyboard control menu.

Thank frigging god. I absolutely HATE games that disable the ability to rebind the num-enter key. Took them a bit, but they did it.

Deaderinred

is this ads thing true? i just tried looking for it and so far it just seems like bullshit, havent seen anything on the loading screens.

Orca

I've seen bullshit star wars ads.

So I've blocked a few domains and haven't seen anything since. Haven't tried that patched DLL yet, but I haven't tried playign with the new version yet either.

ZarathustraEck

If you start looking around the game world, there are plenty of almost-brands, too. Cans tend to look like Coca-Cola or Pepsi, etc.

When they were first talking about ingame advertisements, I was expecting those to be the true brands.

The Reverend Dr Galactus

Now on my shopping list:

A router that will allow me to completely and reliably block access to a domain from all connected devices. It is my new goal that nothing on my home network can ever, under any circumstances, access doublefusion.com.

Any hardware recommendations?

iMatt

milk ducks wrote:

1. The button used to cancel and back out of menus should not be the same one you tap to coldcock somebody, and

Amen!

initiatefailure

in my defense, they shouldn't have snuck up on me while I was digging through my trench coat for my rocket launcher and laser gun.

DrunkMc

Invisible wrote:

DrunkMc wrote:

Just completed the game last night. Everything but the first three boss fights were awesome. I enjoyed the last one a lot more then the first three. Those boiled down to get some shots in, run away, SAVE. Rinse and Repeat, loading when they catch and kill me.

I didn't get the pacisfist achievement which is lame cause I don't recall killing anyone. So that sucks. But what are you going to do? Next run through I'm going to kill mother fuckers and punch walls! Also going to only hack to turn turrets and robots on the enemy. Otherwise, its Codes found or nothing!!

Did you kill the people at the very beginning during the incident? Because that counts, that and occasionally non-lethal weapons are lethal.

Not that I remember. I went into this game thinking I wouldn't kill anyone. ::shrug:: I wonder if I hit someone in the head with a tranq gun without realizing it? No biggie, I'm not too upset by the lack of an achievement.

And I agree with people talking about the converstations. I had a blast, reading their profile and figuring out what to say next. It was awesome! They were more exciting then the "boss fights". I really enjoyed this game, shit, I want to go home and play it again.

Iron Weasel

Tranq gun headshots don't kill people. Honestly, I have popped lots of people in the dome with darts over two playthroughs make no one has ever died from it. They can die if they ragdoll in weird ways, though.

Daedalus

Orca wrote:

Awesome idea. But it won't work. You need your own DNS server if you want to resolve wildcard addresses; the hosts file will only resolve full addresses.

That said, if we can get a list of everysingle doublefusion address it tries, we can block those via the hosts file easy peasy.

fs10.doublefusion.com is the image server, the tracking cookies use adsrv10.doublefusion.com (download) and trksrv10.doublefusion.com (upload). That "10" in there is probably liable to change.

Don't forget to delete the cached ad image in C:\Users\AJensen\AppData\Local\dxhr\cache

"I didn't ask for this!"

Daedalus

ZarathustraEck wrote:

If you start looking around the game world, there are plenty of almost-brands, too. Cans tend to look like Coca-Cola or Pepsi, etc.

When they were first talking about ingame advertisements, I was expecting those to be the true brands.

I'm guessing that Pepsi thought it might damage their brand image to have Youtube clips of Jensen throwing a vending machine onto a hobo's head.

seabass

Iron Weasel wrote:

Tranq gun headshots don't kill people. Honestly, I have popped lots of people in the dome with darts over two playthroughs make no one has ever died from it. They can die if they ragdoll in weird ways, though.

Which is totally obnoxious. I've had to reload awesome takedowns several times just because I slammed a dude against a cinder block instead of the ground.

Steel Angel

Goumindong wrote:

I haven't used the upgraded shotgun, but it the single shot seemed surprisingly lackluster to me.

An upgraded shotgun was what I used on the 2nd and 3rd bosses. Those fights are in close quarters and seemed to help out for the times I couldn't get them in Typhoon range. I didn't really use it outside of those fights though. An upgraded revolver was my go to loud weapon.

Zombiemambo

King Riptor wrote:

I'm hoping the DLC adds more hacking skills and removes nukes and stops as held items.
Its 2011. Nobody uses a disk that big for anything . We have SD cards now. Even just a generic portable hard drive would make more sense than a bunch of floppies.

It's 2027. By then, devices the size of fingernails will be holding terabytes of data.

Deaderinred

Orca wrote:

I've seen bullshit star wars ads.

So I've blocked a few domains and haven't seen anything since. Haven't tried that patched DLL yet, but I haven't tried playign with the new version yet either.

How can they get away with pulling this shit? I mean, i've bought the game, paid for it, they are charging for dlc, its not mp, there are no servers to run the thing on, why the fuck do they need to add adverts? It doesn't even make sense other than pure greed, I wouldn't mind if the game was free then ad supported, but to pull this shit after release when we've already paid full price? It's ludicrous.

BlackDragon480

Iron Weasel wrote:

Tranq gun headshots don't kill people. Honestly, I have popped lots of people in the dome with darts over two playthroughs make no one has ever died from it. They can die if they ragdoll in weird ways, though.

Which I learned the hard way on my normal mode, attempted-pacifist playthrough:

So I'm heading to Hengsha for the second time, Malik and the chopper go down, I have shitloads of cyberpro bars, 4 batteries, and some grenades. I go shinobi and start cloaking and taking down mofos, with a gas grenade to take down a heavy and his neighbor and an EMP grenade to take down the box guard. Then I hit the stairs to the southwest, takedown a sniper and all I have left are the sniper and sneaker on the other scaffolding.

I tranq the sniper no problem and he drops like a stone, the sneaker was moving and I hit him in the body, not the head. When the tranq takes effect he falls off the second level and hits his dome.

After Malik hightails it out I start looting everybody and find a skull over the sneaker that fell. I screamed pretty loud at that point, as I certainly didn't want to try and serendipitously take'em all out again, so I said fuck it and finished up Panchea a couple of hours ago. I'm still pissed about it, but I'll try agagin tomorrow after work and hopefully get it done again, with no skulls and only zzz's this time.

The Mantiz

Haha. I'm nearing the end of the game, and I just discovered a nice little easter egg.

The ship near the Panchea right when you land the LEOS, is names RMS Titanic :P

Orca

Deaderinred wrote:

Orca wrote:

I've seen bullshit star wars ads.

So I've blocked a few domains and haven't seen anything since. Haven't tried that patched DLL yet, but I haven't tried playign with the new version yet either.

How can they get away with pulling this shit? I mean, i've bought the game, paid for it, they are charging for dlc, its not mp, there are no servers to run the thing on, why the fuck do they need to add adverts? It doesn't even make sense other than pure greed, I wouldn't mind if the game was free then ad supported, but to pull this shit after release when we've already paid full price? It's ludicrous.

I agree it's bullshit. Hell, I didn't even know about it until I saw the ad, then I immediately looked for a way to disable it.

Fuck marketers. If I wanted to get brainwashed I'd join a coke. Cult. I meant cult.

Fuck.

Endomatic

Halfhand wrote:

Aegeri wrote:

Yeah, if there is a flaw in this game it's that there is no way to charge past 1 battery. I would honestly hope a DLC pack or something adds that functionality in.

If you could fill more than 1 the game would become far too easy, encouraging people to just stealth all the way through levels. They designed it how it is so that you have to carefully choose when to spend all your energy.

To me it was a pretty obvious design decision, and the right one.

Or it just forces you to wait for your battery to recharge so you can hit the next guy, which is what everyone does anyway.

It lengthens the game. Imagine how quickly you could go through it with more batteries recharging.

Viking

Endomatic wrote:

Halfhand wrote:

Aegeri wrote:

Yeah, if there is a flaw in this game it's that there is no way to charge past 1 battery. I would honestly hope a DLC pack or something adds that functionality in.

If you could fill more than 1 the game would become far too easy, encouraging people to just stealth all the way through levels. They designed it how it is so that you have to carefully choose when to spend all your energy.

To me it was a pretty obvious design decision, and the right one.

Or it just forces you to wait for your battery to recharge so you can hit the next guy, which is what everyone does anyway.

It lengthens the game. Imagine how quickly you could go through it with more batteries recharging.

How they didn't realise that this was how everyone ends up playing I do not know, surely they watched their beta testers play....