Now that quite literally nothing has changed, everything is different?
It's different in that I'm now seriously questioning whether I should continue to give money to a company that (apparently) doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
With the announced Qwikster(sp?) split, I felt that was a very poor decision, but who knows, maybe I could be wrong and they have legitimate reasons for doing the split and it will all work out for Netflix in the end.
With the Qwikster split being backpedaled on, it confirms that they were wrong in moving towards the split in the first place. Or maybe it was still a good idea, but now they haven't had the fortitude to go ahead with it. Basically there is no room for imagining that Netflix is making sound decisions at this point.
Okay, so it was definitely implied that the queues would be separate.
As to the price hike... I'm just not all that outraged. The old price was a ridiculous steal. The new price is merely a great deal for something that represents maybe 60% of my media consumption. I use it more than I use cable and I pay maybe three times as much for that.
Yeah, I still use cable more, and the price changes really took away a lot of price brackets for me. Neither streaming nor DVD was worth $8 a month to me alone (at least not for one DVD), and the two together were not worth $16 or so. Maybe if they had kept around a limited selection for a smaller additional price, to pad out their still anemic online selection, I'd have been down. I maybe went through four DVDs a month. Sometimes less. So $8 for unlimited didn't work, but having none wouldn't either.
Also, I don't have kids. I suspect one feature that makes Netflix a good deal for you is their children's selection, which is pretty decent and a lot of parents I know make heavy use of.
Now that quite literally nothing has changed, everything is different?
It's different in that I'm now seriously questioning whether I should continue to give money to a company that (apparently) doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
With the announced Qwikster(sp?) split, I felt that was a very poor decision, but who knows, maybe I could be wrong and they have legitimate reasons for doing the split and it will all work out for Netflix in the end.
With the Qwikster split being backpedaled on, it confirms that they were wrong in moving towards the split in the first place. Or maybe it was still a good idea, but now they haven't had the fortitude to go ahead with it. Basically there is no room for imagining that Netflix is making sound decisions at this point.
Well, it shows they made at least one bad decision. Or rather, one decision that, in retrospect, was probably a bad idea. I'm unsure how this makes them different than pretty much any other company ever. Especially since they didn't even execute their bad idea, just voiced it and then realized, "Okay, wait a minute..."
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people would rather Netflix have gone ahead with the split and fucked everything up just because it would've made them more consistent. "Okay, okay, you said you were going to kick me in the sack. No, no backing out now you pussy, kick me in the fucking sack."
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Blizzard made a similar mistake when they announced the whole real name thing during the Starcraft II beta. They issued a mea culpa with an explanation (why they wanted real names, why they've changed their minds, what policy going forward will be) and the whole issue died. It was a decent model for how to "give in" to an irate fanbase without showing weakness or seeming like you're waffling.
Netflix hasn't really done a whole lot to that effect. Why did they want to spin off Qwikster? Why did they decide not to? Was it really just user backlash that caused them to go back? What has changed suddenly to make a unified Netflix a good idea again?
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I really didn't mind that Netflix was spinning off the disc service, because that meant that discs weren't going away and they threw in that awesome games announcement. Now that they've backpedaled, I'm just kind of whatever on it. But if that means they're also not gonna enter the games market, I'm gonna be a bit sad. I was really looking forward to that. But it's whatever, I love Netflix for the invaluable service they provide, and it will take a fuckup of huge proportions to get me to cancel.
I was going to cancel one (or both) services when they split. Now that they aren't, I'll happily keep both. Don't care at all that it's them reversing their position and appearing indecisive or whatever. This is what I wanted.
I cancelled when the split was announced, but not because of the split per se. I had downgraded to streaming only when the price increase went into effect, and I realized that their streaming selection was not as robust as I had thought when I had the option of just flipping a show/movie into my DVD queue if it wasn't on instant.
The split announcement just made me realize that their intent is to go streaming only and slowly kill off the DVD service. Which is something I support! But they jumped too soon, I think. If they survive this and beef up their streaming options, great! I'd love to be a customer again. But they've demonstrated a real lack of business acumen ever since the price increase, which reduces my faith that they can salvage the Netflix brand.
Blizzard made a similar mistake when they announced the whole real name thing during the Starcraft II beta. They issued a mea culpa with an explanation (why they wanted real names, why they've changed their minds, what policy going forward will be) and the whole issue died. It was a decent model for how to "give in" to an irate fanbase without showing weakness or seeming like you're waffling.
Netflix hasn't really done a whole lot to that effect. Why did they want to spin off Qwikster? Why did they decide not to? Was it really just user backlash that caused them to go back? What has changed suddenly to make a unified Netflix a good idea again?
1. They wanted to do the split because many people only had physical discs and/or only had streaming. Splitting the queues kind of made sense, although a totally different website was apparently not the answer.
2. Because of customer backlash.
3. Yes
4. Customer backlash.
These things have all been discussed.
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Blizzard made a similar mistake when they announced the whole real name thing during the Starcraft II beta. They issued a mea culpa with an explanation (why they wanted real names, why they've changed their minds, what policy going forward will be) and the whole issue died. It was a decent model for how to "give in" to an irate fanbase without showing weakness or seeming like you're waffling.
Netflix hasn't really done a whole lot to that effect. Why did they want to spin off Qwikster? Why did they decide not to? Was it really just user backlash that caused them to go back? What has changed suddenly to make a unified Netflix a good idea again?
1. They wanted to do the split because many people only had physical discs and/or only had streaming. Splitting the queues kind of made sense, although a totally different website was apparently not the answer.
2. Because of customer backlash.
3. Yes
4. Customer backlash.
These things have all been discussed.
I'd really love an explanation of how the hell the bolded makes sense.
I'll start with my argument: unless and until you have 100% streaming coverage, people who have both services will nearly always want a unified queue, because it allows them to queue up movies (regardless of format) that they want to see, then on any given evening they can easily see if movies they are interested in have become available on instant.
And in those cases where you might want a separate queue, such as not wanting to waste a disc mailing on something that's available on instant, the Netflix software already allowed for this (in that you could add to a separate, instant-only queue). But the reverse makes no sense; even if I'm determined to wait for a disc on a given movie (for higher quality), I'm not going to be upset that Netflix let me know it was available to stream instantly. And more often than not, I want them to do that.
You know, I've never understood the streaming queue
I mean... it's streaming. You don't need a queue, just watch it.
Sometimes you see a movie you are interested in. But aren't going to watch right now. So you add it to a queue. To watch later.
I suppose you must be lucky enough to have never played the "hey, what was that one movie I wanted to see? it had that one guy from that other thing? and that stuff happened? the preview looked really good?" game with your significant other. Do that once or twice, and you will fully understand the streaming queue.
- As a customer, no way to make the databases talk to each other. It's a computer. There's zero reason at all you couldn't program a unified queue, even across two separate subsidiaries, using some kind of common data interface. Or at least make it possible to port movie from one to the other individually.
Did they ever actually say this? I know they said that there would be different websites, but I don't think they ever said anything about whether customers could migrate their queue or if people subscribed to both sites would be able to find instant streams based on their dvd queue.
Huh, for some reason I thought they did, but looking around maybe they didn't?
I certainly don't recall them saying that the queues would talk to each other, which if they had any commitment at all to making this happen it should have been stated as a feature. At best, it's something they might have gotten around to programming if they had the time and inclination prior to launch. Which, given how much effort they put into naming the spinoff, color me skeptical.
Here is where they confirmed the separate queues/billing: Link
You know, I've never understood the streaming queue
I mean... it's streaming. You don't need a queue, just watch it.
Sometimes you see a movie you are interested in. But aren't going to watch right now. So you add it to a queue. To watch later.
I suppose you must be lucky enough to have never played the "hey, what was that one movie I wanted to see? it had that one guy from that other thing? and that stuff happened? the preview looked really good?" game with your significant other. Do that once or twice, and you will fully understand the streaming queue.
Yeah, it exists so you can get to stuff you want to watch quickly. If I've got Star Trek: The Next Generation in my queue, I just click on that instead of having to go through search or dig through my recently viewed list to get to the next episode.
That would make sense if you didn't have the "watch instantly" button on the DVD queue.
The streaming queue's only purpose is to hold movies that are streaming-only, if you ask me. Even then, I'd rather have them in the "not available" section of the DVD queue.
That would make sense if you didn't have the "watch instantly" button on the DVD queue.
The streaming queue's only purpose is to hold movies that are streaming-only, if you ask me. Even then, I'd rather have them in the "not available" section of the DVD queue.
Well, there are some movies that I just dont want on disc because Im the only one who wants to watch it and it makes more sense for me to stream it and get a movie/show everybody wants to watch, or what happens most of the time, if Im going to stream it Im going to be watching it on my xbox and the xbox app only has access to your streaming queue so if something isnt on the streaming queue you either have to search for it or you have to add it to the streaming queue. Granted, they could just let you see your one main queue and let you pick streaming stuff off of that but I think that would suck since Id have to sort through what I can stream and what I cant. Personally, I like having the two queues.
Huh? I add movies to my disc queue. I then see a 'Watch Instantly' button appear next to one. I can then choose to, you know, watch it instantly, or I can click a button to remove it from my disc queue so it's just in the instant, or I can keep it in the disc queue because it's something I want blu-ray quality for.
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Yeah, but it's a drag to do that if you're streaming it to a non-PC device. I'd rather load up a queue on my PC and go to my Xbox, and "hey howya doin', movies" rather than hunting and pecking on my 360 remote to sift through all the grade ZZZ horror movies.
You know, I've never understood the streaming queue
I mean... it's streaming. You don't need a queue, just watch it.
Sometimes you see a movie you are interested in. But aren't going to watch right now. So you add it to a queue. To watch later.
I suppose you must be lucky enough to have never played the "hey, what was that one movie I wanted to see? it had that one guy from that other thing? and that stuff happened? the preview looked really good?" game with your significant other. Do that once or twice, and you will fully understand the streaming queue.
Ah, ok
I guess I primarily use it for TV shows and the search function lets me find any movies I'm specifically looking for pretty quickly.
I've definitely know the game you're talking about. I generally just google it though :P
It's not on anymore. If I understand correctly, Netflix has just said "If you want to watch this, you will give us your monies, and you can sit and watch every single episode in a row, as long as we get your subscription cash."
This might be where it's at- you know, all the big streaming providers rushing to lock up superpopular IPs like this?
It's not on anymore. If I understand correctly, Netflix has just said "If you want to watch this, you will give us your monies, and you can sit and watch every single episode in a row, as long as we get your subscription cash."
This might be where it's at- you know, all the big streaming providers rushing to lock up superpopular IPs like this?
It's actually the first smart move by them lately. Basically they're telling Networks and Production companies that if you won't give us a reasonable price for your shows we'll buy the shit you cancelled and get a surge of new users everytime.
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It's not on anymore. If I understand correctly, Netflix has just said "If you want to watch this, you will give us your monies, and you can sit and watch every single episode in a row, as long as we get your subscription cash."
This might be where it's at- you know, all the big streaming providers rushing to lock up superpopular IPs like this?
It's actually the first smart move by them lately. Basically they're telling Networks and Production companies that if you won't give us a reasonable price for your shows we'll buy the shit you cancelled and get a surge of new users everytime.
Well, this isnt the first show Netflix has decided to make. They bought some show out from under Stars or Showtime or something.
So this (maybe) just upped the ante on locking down ips. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.
I think long term it will be a good thing. The more streaming sites get in to developing past/their own IPs, the less demand there will be for cable.
I think short term there's going to be an annoyingly large number of companies with just a small picking of good, exclusive new shows. But over time I imagine they'll start to consolidate in one form or another.
If Netflix turns into the place where dead shows go for a second life, that would be amazing.
Netflix should acquire Sliders...
Then they could use that remote control thingy to travel to alternate Earths where firefly got six seasons and a movie
pick up a box set
travel back to our world and put it on streaming
If Netflix turns into the place where dead shows go for a second life, that would be amazing.
Netflix should acquire Sliders...
[Spoilers]Then they could use that remote control thingy to travel to alternate Earths where firefly got six seasons and a movie
pick up a box set
travel back to our world and put it on streaming[/spoilers]
I think they should pick up Community so I dont have to feel sad when it doesnt get picked up.
They did grab Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and recently the first season of The Walking Dead too. It isn't as if they haven't pulled in good stuff before now.
Netflix still has a monolithic amount of content on it, but perhaps that's cause I'm not picky as all hell about what I like. I'm not sure I could ever watch everything on there that interests me.
Yeah, I don't relate to the people who can't find stuff to watch on Instant. My Instant queue is some 200+ titles long and a bunch of that are TV shows that will take me forever to get through.
They did grab Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and recently the first season of The Walking Dead too. It isn't as if they haven't pulled in good stuff before now.
Netflix still has a monolithic amount of content on it, but perhaps that's cause I'm not picky as all hell about what I like. I'm not sure I could ever watch everything on there that interests me.
Its not that theyre now streaming Arrested Development, its that theyre going to be streaming new episodes of Arrested Development. How fucking excellent is that?
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With the announced Qwikster(sp?) split, I felt that was a very poor decision, but who knows, maybe I could be wrong and they have legitimate reasons for doing the split and it will all work out for Netflix in the end.
With the Qwikster split being backpedaled on, it confirms that they were wrong in moving towards the split in the first place. Or maybe it was still a good idea, but now they haven't had the fortitude to go ahead with it. Basically there is no room for imagining that Netflix is making sound decisions at this point.
Yeah, I still use cable more, and the price changes really took away a lot of price brackets for me. Neither streaming nor DVD was worth $8 a month to me alone (at least not for one DVD), and the two together were not worth $16 or so. Maybe if they had kept around a limited selection for a smaller additional price, to pad out their still anemic online selection, I'd have been down. I maybe went through four DVDs a month. Sometimes less. So $8 for unlimited didn't work, but having none wouldn't either.
Also, I don't have kids. I suspect one feature that makes Netflix a good deal for you is their children's selection, which is pretty decent and a lot of parents I know make heavy use of.
Well, it shows they made at least one bad decision. Or rather, one decision that, in retrospect, was probably a bad idea. I'm unsure how this makes them different than pretty much any other company ever. Especially since they didn't even execute their bad idea, just voiced it and then realized, "Okay, wait a minute..."
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people would rather Netflix have gone ahead with the split and fucked everything up just because it would've made them more consistent. "Okay, okay, you said you were going to kick me in the sack. No, no backing out now you pussy, kick me in the fucking sack."
Netflix hasn't really done a whole lot to that effect. Why did they want to spin off Qwikster? Why did they decide not to? Was it really just user backlash that caused them to go back? What has changed suddenly to make a unified Netflix a good idea again?
The split announcement just made me realize that their intent is to go streaming only and slowly kill off the DVD service. Which is something I support! But they jumped too soon, I think. If they survive this and beef up their streaming options, great! I'd love to be a customer again. But they've demonstrated a real lack of business acumen ever since the price increase, which reduces my faith that they can salvage the Netflix brand.
1. They wanted to do the split because many people only had physical discs and/or only had streaming. Splitting the queues kind of made sense, although a totally different website was apparently not the answer.
2. Because of customer backlash.
3. Yes
4. Customer backlash.
These things have all been discussed.
I'd really love an explanation of how the hell the bolded makes sense.
I'll start with my argument: unless and until you have 100% streaming coverage, people who have both services will nearly always want a unified queue, because it allows them to queue up movies (regardless of format) that they want to see, then on any given evening they can easily see if movies they are interested in have become available on instant.
And in those cases where you might want a separate queue, such as not wanting to waste a disc mailing on something that's available on instant, the Netflix software already allowed for this (in that you could add to a separate, instant-only queue). But the reverse makes no sense; even if I'm determined to wait for a disc on a given movie (for higher quality), I'm not going to be upset that Netflix let me know it was available to stream instantly. And more often than not, I want them to do that.
I mean... it's streaming. You don't need a queue, just watch it.
Maybe they're using the PS Home model, and all the digital copies are checked out.
Sometimes you see a movie you are interested in. But aren't going to watch right now. So you add it to a queue. To watch later.
I suppose you must be lucky enough to have never played the "hey, what was that one movie I wanted to see? it had that one guy from that other thing? and that stuff happened? the preview looked really good?" game with your significant other. Do that once or twice, and you will fully understand the streaming queue.
Here is where they confirmed the separate queues/billing: Link
Yeah, it exists so you can get to stuff you want to watch quickly. If I've got Star Trek: The Next Generation in my queue, I just click on that instead of having to go through search or dig through my recently viewed list to get to the next episode.
The streaming queue's only purpose is to hold movies that are streaming-only, if you ask me. Even then, I'd rather have them in the "not available" section of the DVD queue.
Well, there are some movies that I just dont want on disc because Im the only one who wants to watch it and it makes more sense for me to stream it and get a movie/show everybody wants to watch, or what happens most of the time, if Im going to stream it Im going to be watching it on my xbox and the xbox app only has access to your streaming queue so if something isnt on the streaming queue you either have to search for it or you have to add it to the streaming queue. Granted, they could just let you see your one main queue and let you pick streaming stuff off of that but I think that would suck since Id have to sort through what I can stream and what I cant. Personally, I like having the two queues.
Huh? I add movies to my disc queue. I then see a 'Watch Instantly' button appear next to one. I can then choose to, you know, watch it instantly, or I can click a button to remove it from my disc queue so it's just in the instant, or I can keep it in the disc queue because it's something I want blu-ray quality for.
Ah, ok
I guess I primarily use it for TV shows and the search function lets me find any movies I'm specifically looking for pretty quickly.
I've definitely know the game you're talking about. I generally just google it though :P
Boom.
Oh. Shit.
I cannot wait for shit like this to take off. Fuck all cable providers.
But Arrested Development was on Fox, which is network. You could watch for free*.
*so long as you have a TV, electricity and a signal.
This might be where it's at- you know, all the big streaming providers rushing to lock up superpopular IPs like this?
I can has cheezburger, yes?
It's actually the first smart move by them lately. Basically they're telling Networks and Production companies that if you won't give us a reasonable price for your shows we'll buy the shit you cancelled and get a surge of new users everytime.
Well, this isnt the first show Netflix has decided to make. They bought some show out from under Stars or Showtime or something.
Thats what I thought but I wasnt 100%.
I think long term it will be a good thing. The more streaming sites get in to developing past/their own IPs, the less demand there will be for cable.
I think short term there's going to be an annoyingly large number of companies with just a small picking of good, exclusive new shows. But over time I imagine they'll start to consolidate in one form or another.
Netflix should acquire Sliders...
pick up a box set
travel back to our world and put it on streaming
I think they should pick up Community so I dont have to feel sad when it doesnt get picked up.
Netflix still has a monolithic amount of content on it, but perhaps that's cause I'm not picky as all hell about what I like. I'm not sure I could ever watch everything on there that interests me.
It'd be endearing to see Community get picked up if it meets its end on NBC though.
Its not that theyre now streaming Arrested Development, its that theyre going to be streaming new episodes of Arrested Development. How fucking excellent is that?
Actually, I'm gonna make a thread for this idea.