This isn't real numbers, just a guess based on last month, but if Amazing Spider-Man #668 sold 58k last month, and general attrition goes down a bit for September (let's say 55k), using those numbers Batman #1 roughly sold about 150k copies.
I don't really see them going back to Charlie anytime soon, which is fine since both of them are great characters.
The thing is, DCAU Question was nothing like how the Question actually acts. I love it, but a Huntress/Question series wouldn't be anything like the DCAU couple unless they change his character wildly.
I'm just not sure what exactly Renee brings to the identity of the Question. Vic Sage had his whole pondering-the-nature-of-the-universe thing going on in O'Neil's and Veitch's versions, a philosophical bent revolving around Objectivism in Ditko's version, and the conspiracy nut thing in the DCAU version.
Renee Montoya doesn't really seem to be questioning much of anything, which makes me wonder why she even has the identity.
Something's off with the numbers if we used what was above, If we use 150k as what Batman sold, OMAC sold roughly 26k copies, which wouldn't be bad at all.
Either Amazing Spider-Man sold a lot less the next month (meaning Batman sold less than guessed), or those returnable % are messing with things here.
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When ever I hear someone says they will buy multiple copies or watch something repeatedly and get all their friends to do the same it seems to always fail.
Well, it depends on what DC's commitments are. I would hope they might say something about that next week at NYCC. I would hope DiDio being on the book couldn't hurt it, but business is business. I did end up buying #2 and thought it was great. I feel like it will be a trade worth buying, which is more than I can say right now about 40+ titles. And that is why I am glad I wrote a treatise on my tastes and purchase plans in that Nielsen survey.
I need to take that survey still...
...IF IT WILL SAVE OMAC!
And not counting the small number of books I'm considering sticking on for promised plot developments (Mr. Terrific and the Multiverse) or because I love the character so much (The Awful of Firestorm), there are still somewhere around 20 books that I thought were really solid and deserving of my attention.
Right, but the discussion was that if in the new DCnU, we should get past "Killing is bad" as a central moral. If we get further away from it with Wonder Woman, where she can just kill bad guys willy nilly (and again, why wouldn't she, she's trained in it), then it's going to take some work to reconcile that with her buds Batman & Superman.
killing is bad for WW simply because her rogues gallery is weak enough as it is, purge a few and all you get are greek story arcs
besides hardly anyone stays dead in comics, the real reason no one kills is because then writers will be spending all their time making antithesises for their heroes.
So do you guys think that DC will use this opportunity to improve it's TPB department? Because they definitely should. My trade shelf is only 10% DC stuff and that's mostly because I can't actually ever get the series that I want.
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Dan DiDio posted this on his facebook
To the incredibly talented Scott Koblish,
hey Scott, you can post this on your wall if you'd like.
Thanks for the for the appreciated but unnecessary defense of OMAC. This book and all of the New 52 are in no danger of cancellation any time soon. When we first established the New 52 we set a cancellation threshold that was higher than what we had in the past to insure that we did not get back into the habit of carrying a large amount of low selling books.
And I'm happy to announce that in the case of OMAC, even if it lost over 50% of the first issue audience, it still would not hit that number.
For those working on partial information, reorders, second printings and digital sales have made this book and every other series a success. And even if you just work from the Diamond listings, OMAC ranked 82, and if you minus the other 50 New DC Comics series that month, that means that only 31 books from all the other companies combined preformed better. That feels like healthy beginning to me.
Like you said, Keith and I have laid out the first 16 issues of the series and we have every confidence that we will get to tell those tales. Your inks, like Hi-Fi's colors and Travis' lettering are instrumental in making this book a success, so let's all plan on a long and exciting run.
Yeah the fact that they set the cut-off higher than they normally do and it still cleared it by that much shows that the whole New 52 did much better than they probably expected
While I'm happy because I am enjoying OMAC, I once again feel it necessary to point out that 41 of the 52 the first-issue orders were all based on a very lenient return policy. Plus, it's not like a lot of books don't lose half their readership, within a year or less.
FF #1 went from 114,472 to 51,917 within eight issues.
Captain America #1 sold 96,926 and #2 sold 54,384.
You can look at sales figures for books like the entire Avengers lines, for other examples of high-profile launches that quickly leveled off to more reasonable numbers. But for a secondary title, with little perceived importance? The drop-off is usually even more severe.
Ruse #1: 28,520 Ruse #2: 11,861
Alpha Flight #1: 46,851 Alpha Flight #2: 26,862
Dan Didio says OMAC can lose half its audience and still be okay? Good. Because odds are, that's exactly what's going to happen. And when the returnability policy ends in January? It's only going to get worse.
Pretty much every book I bought I did so because GV recommended it. I think the one exception is Justice League Dark, which I planned to buy as soon as it was announced.
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This isn't real numbers, just a guess based on last month, but if Amazing Spider-Man #668 sold 58k last month, and general attrition goes down a bit for September (let's say 55k), using those numbers Batman #1 roughly sold about 150k copies.
The question here is sustainability
Great cover for Batman #5, from this great interview with snyder
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34781
Apparently there is some nods to owls / court of owls in his detective run.
Tons of Animal Man #2, ZERO of #1 and either issue of Swamp Thing.
And none of the reprints.
They did have Batwoman #0-2...I might have to stop back in for those if my regular shop doesn't have them.
They did have a good number of Batwoman #0-1...sorry, brain is addled.
I'm just not sure what exactly Renee brings to the identity of the Question. Vic Sage had his whole pondering-the-nature-of-the-universe thing going on in O'Neil's and Veitch's versions, a philosophical bent revolving around Objectivism in Ditko's version, and the conspiracy nut thing in the DCAU version.
Renee Montoya doesn't really seem to be questioning much of anything, which makes me wonder why she even has the identity.
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Something's off with the numbers if we used what was above, If we use 150k as what Batman sold, OMAC sold roughly 26k copies, which wouldn't be bad at all.
Either Amazing Spider-Man sold a lot less the next month (meaning Batman sold less than guessed), or those returnable % are messing with things here.
luckily I think it will get a little extra leeway since it is Didio's book.
Wonder what DC's new floor will be with the relaunch, maybe 20k or 22k.
The odds are not great but still be a shame to cancel some too soon.
So some probably had small print runs, too
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Not my favorite book of the whole relaunch.
Not this week.
CURSE YOU, FATES! I AM DEFEATED ENOUGH ALREADY. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO RUIN MY LIFE?
don't freak out
And frame every single page
...IF IT WILL SAVE OMAC!
And not counting the small number of books I'm considering sticking on for promised plot developments (Mr. Terrific and the Multiverse) or because I love the character so much (The Awful of Firestorm), there are still somewhere around 20 books that I thought were really solid and deserving of my attention.
killing is bad for WW simply because her rogues gallery is weak enough as it is, purge a few and all you get are greek story arcs
besides hardly anyone stays dead in comics, the real reason no one kills is because then writers will be spending all their time making antithesises for their heroes.
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6 issue cancellations my ass
He's saying that even if OMAC did half as good as it did, it still wouldn't have been canceled
brain-fart there sorry
FF #1 went from 114,472 to 51,917 within eight issues.
Captain America #1 sold 96,926 and #2 sold 54,384.
You can look at sales figures for books like the entire Avengers lines, for other examples of high-profile launches that quickly leveled off to more reasonable numbers. But for a secondary title, with little perceived importance? The drop-off is usually even more severe.
Ruse #1: 28,520 Ruse #2: 11,861
Alpha Flight #1: 46,851 Alpha Flight #2: 26,862
Dan Didio says OMAC can lose half its audience and still be okay? Good. Because odds are, that's exactly what's going to happen. And when the returnability policy ends in January? It's only going to get worse.
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Third printings?
Fourth printings?
How many people in this thread have gone back to their stores to add an additional New 52 title based on reviews/word of mouth?
I was already leaning towards Action, JL, and Aquaman.
If I can actually find both issues of Animal Man and Swamp Thing, I might snag those as well.