Borock's just a kid. Just like medication or drugs, surely because of him not having the same constitution as a grown man the poison would react faster within his system
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We've been told time and again that the ricin would leave the victim feeling fine for a couple days. Then they'd "get the flu" and die. Jesse still had the cigarette that morning, but that's besides the point; Brock would have to have been poisoned a couple days prior to this.
...unless he really does just have the flu.
i also read in a review that it may be
the fact that Brock is a kid and his metabolism works faster? i don't know. i could easily see this being a very darkly ironic mistake
I know there's a lot to go against it, mostly "motivations" and such. But look at it this way;
Why did Gus stop on the roof? He was thinking things through, analyzing the situation. It could just have been him thinking about why Jesse insisted on Gus coming to the hospital, but I think he was analyzing the broader situation.
It was heavily inferred that Gus has indeed had Jesse' place bugged, and that he knew all about the Ricin plot. So he understood what was going down with the kid, but he didn't come out and say it or accuse Walt of doing it; probably because it was news to him. If Gus had done it, surely he'd have lead Jesse to think Walt had done it?
Personally, I think the hospital is the first Gus had heard of it, and he started putting it together in the car park scene: Walt poisoned the kid because he doesn't trust Jesse any more. That in itself is so unlike Walt, that Jesse would believe he didn't do it.
...I am bad at articulating my thoughts.
No, I think that is actually a very plausible theory. And far more brutal than Gus doing it.
After the last few minutes of last week's episode, I don't think this is the same Walt that we're seeing. At all.
We've been told time and again that the ricin would leave the victim feeling fine for a couple days. Then they'd "get the flu" and die. Jesse still had the cigarette that morning, but that's besides the point; Brock would have to have been poisoned a couple days prior to this.
...unless he really does just have the flu.
He's a child. Ricin poisoning works faster in kids.
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Walt didn't know that Gus was aiming to kill him until after he had seen Jesse and Brock that night, so there's no logical point in the timeline for Walt to poison Brock. The entire first half of this episode displayed Walt accepting his fate, stowed away in his house, waiting for the end. There was no scheming left in him at that point. Also, we just watched Gus poison an entire cartel meeting. That's some pretty damning evidence.
However, it doesn't feel like something that Gus would do. He's too meticulous to leave something like that open to chance. We see the preparation that he puts into everything he does. Poisoning Brock just seems so... desperate. The scene in the parking garage re-affirms this. If the poisoning was part of his plan then why did he sense that something wasn't right? I find it more likely that Brock stole the lucky cigarette out of Jesse's pack and ended up sick because of it. I think earlier in the season when Jesse first made the lucky cigarette Walt made a comment about not smoking it. Also, if he were to inhale the ricin it might act faster then if he ingested it. It's a good angle for the story, too. Our two main protagonists are acting on false information. Whatever the case, it's nice to see Team Walt/Jesse working together again.
Walt didn't know that Gus was aiming to kill him until after he had seen Jesse and Brock that night, so there's no logical point in the timeline for Walt to poison Brock. The entire first half of this episode displayed Walt accepting his fate, stowed away in his house, waiting for the end. There was no scheming left in him at that point. Also, we just watched Gus poison an entire cartel meeting. That's some pretty damning evidence.
However, it doesn't feel like something that Gus would do. He's too meticulous to leave something like that open to chance. We see the preparation that he puts into everything he does. Poisoning Brock just seems so... desperate. The scene in the parking garage re-affirms this. If the poisoning was part of his plan then why did he sense that something wasn't right? I find it more likely that Brock stole the lucky cigarette out of Jesse's pack and ended up sick because of it. I think earlier in the season when Jesse first made the lucky cigarette Walt made a comment about not smoking it. Also, if he were to inhale the ricin it might act faster then if he ingested it. It's a good angle for the story, too. Our two main protagonists are acting on false information. Whatever the case, it's nice to see Team Walt/Jesse working together again.
I think Brock is just sick, and Walt and Jesse are super-paranoid because the house of cards is starting to fall.
Walt didn't know that Gus was aiming to kill him until after he had seen Jesse and Brock that night, so there's no logical point in the timeline for Walt to poison Brock. The entire first half of this episode displayed Walt accepting his fate, stowed away in his house, waiting for the end. There was no scheming left in him at that point.
At no point in Crawl Space does Walt actually mention what happened in the desert to anyone. But in End Times Saul knows about it. So Walt was at least in contact with him before Saul contacted Jesse, possibly putting the plan in motion.
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I really don't think Brock is just sick. Timed with the disappearance of the ricin cigarette, it almost seems beneath the writing of this show to pull a fake-out for something like that. There's no worthwhile gain.
Similarly, the style of narration Breaking Bad has always employed (coupled with ukiyo's first-paragraph assessment) leads me to believe there's no way Walt did it. That, too, doesn't currently seem like it would make a whole lot of sense. We've never been misled on a scale of this magnitude before. Never before have we been tricked as viewers. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but it's just never been this show's MO.
It's certainly possible Gus didn't do it, and that maybe it was just an accident. But assuming Jesse is right in his belief that he had the cigarette that same morning, I'm pretty entrenched in the belief that this is all Gus' doing.
Brock suffering from ricin like symptoms and the ricin disappearing from Jesse's cigarette pack being unrelated incidents would be way too much of a coincidence.
I really don't think Brock is just sick. Timed with the disappearance of the ricin cigarette, it almost seems beneath the writing of this show to pull a fake-out for something like that. There's no worthwhile gain.
Similarly, the style of narration Breaking Bad has always employed (coupled with ukiyo's first-paragraph assessment) leads me to believe there's no way Walt did it. That, too, doesn't currently seem like it would make a whole lot of sense. We've never been misled on a scale of this magnitude before. Never before have we been tricked as viewers. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but it's just never been this show's MO.
It's certainly possible Gus didn't do it, and that maybe it was just an accident. But assuming Jesse is right in his belief that he had the cigarette that same morning, I'm pretty entrenched in the belief that this is all Gus' doing.
That's all very true, but you gotta keep in mind that this show is constantly throwing curve balls. So, why not meta-surprise us?
anyhow, it's way too difficult to tell what the hell happened to Brock, so it's not as though anyone knows anything for certain. Which is why I love this show.
Brock smoked the cigarette/got into the ricin on his own and now Gus and Walt are each trying to use it to their own advantage. Gus having planned it out from the start seems a bit too convoluted. Why would he assume Jesse would blame Walt?
Anyway, the finale is titled Face Off
so what I think is going to happen is that Walt will undergo an experimental procedure to switch faces with Gus in order to infiltrate his organization
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I really don't think Brock is just sick. Timed with the disappearance of the ricin cigarette, it almost seems beneath the writing of this show to pull a fake-out for something like that. There's no worthwhile gain.
Similarly, the style of narration Breaking Bad has always employed (coupled with ukiyo's first-paragraph assessment) leads me to believe there's no way Walt did it. That, too, doesn't currently seem like it would make a whole lot of sense. We've never been misled on a scale of this magnitude before. Never before have we been tricked as viewers. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but it's just never been this show's MO.
It's certainly possible Gus didn't do it, and that maybe it was just an accident. But assuming Jesse is right in his belief that he had the cigarette that same morning, I'm pretty entrenched in the belief that this is all Gus' doing.
That's all very true, but you gotta keep in mind that this show is constantly throwing curve balls. So, why not meta-surprise us?
anyhow, it's way too difficult to tell what the hell happened to Brock, so it's not as though anyone knows anything for certain. Which is why I love this show.
It would be one hell of a way to end the season, that's for sure.
Brock smoked the cigarette/got into the ricin on his own and now Gus and Walt are each trying to use it to their own advantage. Gus having planned it out from the start seems a bit too convoluted. Why would he assume Jesse would blame Walt?
Anyway, the finale is titled Face Off
so what I think is going to happen is that Walt will undergo an experimental procedure to switch faces with Gus in order to infiltrate his organization
Nononono, you got that all wrong. Walt will get the face of Nicolas Cage, who will look like Gus, who in turn is going to look like John Travolta. Travolta is going to look like Walt Jr. and there won't be enough pancakes for two of them.
I really doubt it was Walt, he didn't have the time or opportunity to set it up, not to mention it clashes with him deciding to just give up and wait for Gus to make his move.
When Jesse shows up at his house, he doesn't suspect for a moment he's there to kill him. And when Walt realizes why anyone would do such a thing, he shows admiration for Gus' cunning ("It's brilliant"!) because he would never have thought of something like that.
As much of an asshole Walt is, poisoning the kid to manipulate Jesse fits more with Gus' character, who they've been building into a ruthless supreme badass since the beginning of the season.
i am in the middle of season two. the episode i just watched ended with jesse in a house. if you have seen this season you probably know what house i am talking about
i am in the middle of season two. the episode i just watched ended with jesse in a house. if you have seen this season you probably know what house i am talking about
I really don't think Brock is just sick. Timed with the disappearance of the ricin cigarette, it almost seems beneath the writing of this show to pull a fake-out for something like that. There's no worthwhile gain.
Similarly, the style of narration Breaking Bad has always employed (coupled with ukiyo's first-paragraph assessment) leads me to believe there's no way Walt did it. That, too, doesn't currently seem like it would make a whole lot of sense. We've never been misled on a scale of this magnitude before. Never before have we been tricked as viewers. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but it's just never been this show's MO.
It's certainly possible Gus didn't do it, and that maybe it was just an accident. But assuming Jesse is right in his belief that he had the cigarette that same morning, I'm pretty entrenched in the belief that this is all Gus' doing.
That's all very true, but you gotta keep in mind that this show is constantly throwing curve balls. So, why not meta-surprise us?
anyhow, it's way too difficult to tell what the hell happened to Brock, so it's not as though anyone knows anything for certain. Which is why I love this show.
It would be one hell of a way to end the season, that's for sure.
Larlar, the only thing I know about this show is that I know nothing about what this show is going to do.
i am in the middle of season two. the episode i just watched ended with jesse in a house. if you have seen this season you probably know what house i am talking about
squish OHFUCK
i super need to watch more of this show
that is easily one of my favorite episodes. It's so weird that
in a really messed up, roundabout way, Jesse seems like he'd be a really great dad.
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Oh, I gave up legitimately trying to predict events since...
yeah I don't really buy that Walt did it either because to me that would make Walt as good of an actor as Bryan Cranston which I don't think makes sense :P
I dunno, I want to buy into the "walt did it" theory because that makes the gun spinning moment brilliant.
Not quite getting what the point of Walt doing it would be. The Season 4 finale was supposed to be the series finale, yeah? How could they end it on the note of "Oh, yeah Jesse, I killed the kid... but we've got 44 minutes to end this on a positive note."... aaaand, scene.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Season 4 finale was finished prior to the news about them being signed on for another season?
I dunno, I want to buy into the "walt did it" theory because that makes the gun spinning moment brilliant.
Not quite getting what the point of Walt doing it would be. The Season 4 finale was supposed to be the series finale, yeah? How could they end it on the note of "Oh, yeah Jesse, I killed the kid... but we've got 44 minutes to end this on a positive note."... aaaand, scene.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Season 4 finale was finished prior to the news about them being signed on for another season?
A 5th season was never in doubt. There was discussion of whether or not it would be moved to another network. I don't think Vince Gilligan had the intention of framing the finale of season 4 as a series finale.
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i also read in a review that it may be
This show is going to make me go grey, I swear.
Also
After the last few minutes of last week's episode, I don't think this is the same Walt that we're seeing. At all.
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I think we all need to remind ourselves of this because I am still laughing after seeing it for the 20th time.
Yeah, I'm in your boat.
However, it doesn't feel like something that Gus would do. He's too meticulous to leave something like that open to chance. We see the preparation that he puts into everything he does. Poisoning Brock just seems so... desperate. The scene in the parking garage re-affirms this. If the poisoning was part of his plan then why did he sense that something wasn't right? I find it more likely that Brock stole the lucky cigarette out of Jesse's pack and ended up sick because of it. I think earlier in the season when Jesse first made the lucky cigarette Walt made a comment about not smoking it. Also, if he were to inhale the ricin it might act faster then if he ingested it. It's a good angle for the story, too. Our two main protagonists are acting on false information. Whatever the case, it's nice to see Team Walt/Jesse working together again.
I think most people would jump to the same conclusion.
Similarly, the style of narration Breaking Bad has always employed (coupled with ukiyo's first-paragraph assessment) leads me to believe there's no way Walt did it. That, too, doesn't currently seem like it would make a whole lot of sense. We've never been misled on a scale of this magnitude before. Never before have we been tricked as viewers. That's not to say they couldn't do it, but it's just never been this show's MO.
It's certainly possible Gus didn't do it, and that maybe it was just an accident. But assuming Jesse is right in his belief that he had the cigarette that same morning, I'm pretty entrenched in the belief that this is all Gus' doing.
Edit: what Larlar said.
That's all very true, but you gotta keep in mind that this show is constantly throwing curve balls. So, why not meta-surprise us?
Anyway, the finale is titled Face Off
so what I think is going to happen is that Walt will undergo an experimental procedure to switch faces with Gus in order to infiltrate his organization
It would be one hell of a way to end the season, that's for sure.
When Jesse shows up at his house, he doesn't suspect for a moment he's there to kill him. And when Walt realizes why anyone would do such a thing, he shows admiration for Gus' cunning ("It's brilliant"!) because he would never have thought of something like that.
As much of an asshole Walt is, poisoning the kid to manipulate Jesse fits more with Gus' character, who they've been building into a ruthless supreme badass since the beginning of the season.
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That entire episode is unsettling.
Larlar, the only thing I know about this show is that I know nothing about what this show is going to do.
that is easily one of my favorite episodes. It's so weird that
...hm. Maybe I never started.
Heisenberg has been shown to be hella ballsy.
"This. Is not meth." Remember?
Walking into Tuco's place with
That took testicles.
While he is, for the most part, a coward (and awful liar) - he is totally capable of this stuff. With enough prep time.
And the end of Crawl Space certainly looked like plans were a' cooking.
By the way, that line was the perfect encapsulation of everything that is Walt.
Are these people watching the same show that I am watching?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Season 4 finale was finished prior to the news about them being signed on for another season?
That's kind of a big assumption to make here