Oh well we managed to win. That was my first actual game jungling. Messed up my timing for solo level 5 dragon but I took it at level 6 instead. Surprise parties all round!
Died 3 more times than I should have I think. Once my own fault, twice because I threw a surprise party and only the enemy team showed up (ie my team ran away for reasons I don't understand. We even had baron buff for one of them!).
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wow. leona is easily skarner level trash. what a joke
She needs a lane partner/team that can take advantage of her incredible early lane CC. She can't cs for crap, so it's either feast or famine with her in my experience. And you can't carry with her either.
Also, I hate to say it, but Skarner is not trash. He's eclipsed by other characters, but I've been having fun with him for the last week in solo queue.
She's a tank with a pretty good kit that becomes a really good kit with CDR. I don't... I don't get the problem?
She doesn't put out a lot of damage on her own, she can't even pop her own passive. Which makes her very reliant on her team, whereas tanks/initiators like Amumu or Singed can really put the hurt on people comparatively.
she doesn't do anything. look at me I stunned you for 1.25 seconds. no really, look at me. look at how pretty I am because I can do nothing else at all. she's not even good at bot. sion does everything better than her in a duo lane.
if it wasn't for the fact that she was the long awaited female tank she wouldn't even get a second look.
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edited October 2011
The problem with Leona is everything she does for solo queue, Amumu does better. She needs some utility buffs here and there but I'm afraid that'll push her into OP territory. Like, you know, Morgana for example.
Leona desperately needs better AP scaling, though. 30% on her stun that does a base 160. 40% on Eclipse that does a base 260. Hooray.
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Also also RED ALERT, I JUST WON A GAME WITH SKARNER ON MY TEAM
Okay the enemy was just troll tier and bad (How else can you explain Yorick losing a lane?) but still. I was all like "wow first time i saw a good skarner" and he was like "first time skarner ".
Also also RED ALERT, I JUST WON A GAME WITH SKARNER ON MY TEAM
Okay the enemy was just troll tier and bad (How else can you explain Yorick losing a lane?) but still. I was all like "wow first time i saw a good skarner" and he was like "first time skarner ".
Skarner's not bad, his ult is hard to use correctly, but he's got a pretty solid sustain kit otherwise. Mana-hungry though.
Xin Zhao was really fun to duo with as Leona, actually. I let him initiate with that charge, and saved my own charge for when the hapless victim tried to get away.
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edited October 2011
Then that's the problem of said champions, not Leona. You buff Leona to not be dependant on teammates, she WILL be overpowered with the kit she has. A passive buff is the only thing she needs.
Also also RED ALERT, I JUST WON A GAME WITH SKARNER ON MY TEAM
Okay the enemy was just troll tier and bad (How else can you explain Yorick losing a lane?) but still. I was all like "wow first time i saw a good skarner" and he was like "first time skarner ".
Skarner's not bad, his ult is hard to use correctly, but he's got a pretty solid sustain kit otherwise. Mana-hungry though.
Remember jars' argument about how Leona is outperformed by Sion as support?
Same thing for Skarner only worse: his ult is marginally worse than Rammus' taunt, and that isn't even an ultimate. The only thing it has over it is suppression.
Except that she does better than just a random other champ if she has the right partner, that's the whole point. Or at least she is supposed to. I hardly ever see people play her, but my brother does, and he does well enough with her compared to other champions when he's not playing solo. Of course I may be wrong and she may be underpowered, but if they buff her, she should still be focused on helping a partner secure kills, not getting them herself.
edit: damn this thread moves too fast for me to type a reply
I'm pretty sure there aren't other champions with 2 stuns and 1 immobilize she can easily pop on anyone who gets anywhere near close to them.
off the top of my head blitz and janna have as much or more more cc
and the more important thing here is leona bottom is 100% dependent on kills for farm. which is a terrible and extremely unreliable plan to get farm and why she is very ineffective late game- no farm, no farming abilities. if you have cho'gath with 200 cs from top and leona with 10 cs from bot guess who is going to have a bigger impact? of course it helps that cho'gath does more damage, has more CC, and is overall a much better champion.
I think people don't like her because she just puts out such pitiful damage. I think letting her pop her own passive would help her along a lot, hell Lux gets to do it!
I think people don't like her because she just puts out such pitiful damage. I think letting her pop her own passive would help her along a lot, hell Lux gets to do it!
And Riven, kinda-sorta. It'd be a good start for her.
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edited October 2011
If there's ONE thing Riot should never ever ever ever EVER consider when buffing Leona, it's allowing her to proc her own passive. The entire idea behind this buff is "we want Leona to hold her own and not be dependant on others!" and I'm like "a hero who depends on his teammates IN A TEAM GAME is a bad thing?"
edit: Hell every heroes should be like Leona, but that won't make the solo queue superstars happy.
Finally got to try out Anivia. Good god, everything costs all of the mana. And then you get blue and your ult is this never ending area of death and destruction that songs are sung of for ages to come.
I can't figure out how Warwick's Blood Scent works. I can toggle it, and apparently enemies hear WW's voice like when he's in range. Is that why you want it off in certain circumstances?
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If Blood Scent is on and within your AOE (which is big) you spot a low health unit, Warwick gets a speed boost. But they visibly know you're around as there's an icon over their heads when it happens.
I can't figure out how Warwick's Blood Scent works. I can toggle it, and apparently enemies hear WW's voice like when he's in range. Is that why you want it off in certain circumstances?
Yep. When he comes into range, providing your enemies are low enough, it will proc on them by playing a howl soundbite and putting an animation over their champion's head and just above their ability bar. So basically if you leave it on you're giving your enemies a clear indication you're nearby. This can work for or against you depending on the situation. But usually best to leave it off when setting up a gank obviously.
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edit: alright no Leona is maybe bad but SKARNER TIER?
Died 3 more times than I should have I think. Once my own fault, twice because I threw a surprise party and only the enemy team showed up (ie my team ran away for reasons I don't understand. We even had baron buff for one of them!).
If you're gonna jungle, might as well go full in. Smite is super important to have for both Baron and Dragon anyway.
She needs a lane partner/team that can take advantage of her incredible early lane CC. She can't cs for crap, so it's either feast or famine with her in my experience. And you can't carry with her either.
Leona with a partner that can take advantage of her is fairly scary. not a good champ for solo queue, however.
Leona/Xerath is mean.
Gonna get Jax.
She doesn't put out a lot of damage on her own, she can't even pop her own passive. Which makes her very reliant on her team, whereas tanks/initiators like Amumu or Singed can really put the hurt on people comparatively.
When I duoed as Leona with a friend playing Xin Zhao... bam.
if it wasn't for the fact that she was the long awaited female tank she wouldn't even get a second look.
Okay the enemy was just troll tier and bad (How else can you explain Yorick losing a lane?) but still. I was all like "wow first time i saw a good skarner" and he was like "first time skarner
Skarner's not bad, his ult is hard to use correctly, but he's got a pretty solid sustain kit otherwise. Mana-hungry though.
Remember jars' argument about how Leona is outperformed by Sion as support?
Same thing for Skarner only worse: his ult is marginally worse than Rammus' taunt, and that isn't even an ultimate. The only thing it has over it is suppression.
edit: damn this thread moves too fast for me to type a reply
Too much theorycrafting, Leona simply is a solid partner that anyone who has properly laned with one knows.
off the top of my head blitz and janna have as much or more more cc
and the more important thing here is leona bottom is 100% dependent on kills for farm. which is a terrible and extremely unreliable plan to get farm and why she is very ineffective late game- no farm, no farming abilities. if you have cho'gath with 200 cs from top and leona with 10 cs from bot guess who is going to have a bigger impact? of course it helps that cho'gath does more damage, has more CC, and is overall a much better champion.
And Riven, kinda-sorta. It'd be a good start for her.
edit: Hell every heroes should be like Leona, but that won't make the solo queue superstars happy.
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Yep. When he comes into range, providing your enemies are low enough, it will proc on them by playing a howl soundbite and putting an animation over their champion's head and just above their ability bar. So basically if you leave it on you're giving your enemies a clear indication you're nearby. This can work for or against you depending on the situation. But usually best to leave it off when setting up a gank obviously.
ahahahaha amumu and nocturne are some of the best pre-6 gankers in the game bro
probs meant ww and malphite when you said "weak pre-6 ganker"
i carried this game obvs