Ha! Well they did say in the specs the thing was accurate within a few mms, didn't they? A few mms is a world of difference on a fiddly little ink drawing. Poor Larry.
Also there's no way to say "I have pet reindeer" that is ridiculous.
And a lot of you guys thought that thing was going to be cool. For $200 (even though I know some of you thought that $200 was somehow "cheap"), it really ought to do better than give me a version of my drawing that looks like it was drawn with my opposite hand.
Maybe not this generation, but if the tech gets better (and allows for a larger surface) I am so in. Nay say all you want AOB. ALL YOU WANT.
In other news my computer and tablet are both slowly digging their graves, and I dont have the 2k laying about to replace my system. I'm starting to have nightmares about it. Literal nightmares.
Well, he's working bigger so obviously it's going to less noticeable (though the drawing still kinda blows but that's not really Wacom's fault there.)
But really, it's hard enough to do good drawings without adding in a factor that's going to randomly fuck them up to really get excited about this. And if the idea was to save clean-up time on scans...well now you have to spend even more time cleaning up an unholy mess of vector lines, have fun with that (you'd have to scan in the original drawing just to have a guide to tell you where the vector lines are supposed to go in the first place, so what's the point?).
There's still elements of a neat idea in this product, but I'd think getting this to take off it would have had to involved an Apple style, straight-out-of-the-box near perfect product (or so I hear from Apple fans)- they might be able to get there in a few iterations, but if the initial product is disappointing, the target audience will have soured on the idea by the time Wacom rolls out a version good enough that it's useful as an actual art tool and not just as a novelty.
you can get a pretty decent pc system for like 6-800
I'm not really sure off hand how much the tablets are these days though
Because of my moving around, I kinda need a laptop, I'm afraid. The intous is like 400, the laptop would probably be about 1500. Honestly anything would be an upgrade from my 60gb hard drive XP running machine at this point, though.
AOB, I think you are really down on this thing. Wacom has room to flex, considering they dominate the market. Apple has rolled out products that were a little too early too. Like the Apple TV, which came out a few years before people really started using netflix/hulu and figured out how to use it. As long as wacom keeps pushing, I'm not going to turn my nose up at the same idea but better a few years from now.
If it dies and I cant afford anything else I'll go to that, but the loss of sensitivity is significant, so is the loss of profiles for each program for button mapping. I've disliked the bamboo when i've used one at school. I might be able to find a cheaper, intous3 though.
If it dies and I cant afford anything else I'll go to that, but the loss of sensitivity is significant, so is the loss of profiles for each program for button mapping. I've disliked the bamboo when i've used one at school. I might be able to find a cheaper, intous3 though.
Really? I don't think it's that bad. In addition I thought profiles were handled via the intuos driver?
I like good old fashioned paper sketchbooks. Art has enough digital bullshit already. That's what makes this inkling thing interesting, rather than getting a bunch of traditional artists to try to switch to something digital, it has the potential to get some digital artists to start working more traditionally. Obviously it can go both ways with this device...but it's still interesting.
Beyond the 'hey that's kinda neat' factor, I'm pretty unconvinced that it does anything well enough to be all that useful. If you want to sketch, you're better off with regular pens and pencils and a scanner. If you want to do digital art, you're better off with a tablet (you'll probably need one anyway to clean up your sketches in any case...not to mention Photoshop and/or Illustrator, so it's not like you're saving money there). If you want to sketch digitally on the go, get a laptop to go with your tablet (and if you're such an on-the-go person you probably already have one anyway). I can't find the problem that this thing solves better than any of the things I've just laid out.
@Cake: That seems kind of a silly notion, because it somewhat assumes digital artists weren't previously aware of the concepts of sketchbooks and ballpoint pens, and they would only become interested in those things if there was some kind of techno-bullshit glommed onto them. Come on, give people some credit here.
The problem it solves is the actual tactile quality of paper, that the tablet hasn't really conquered yet. I mean, I havent used a cintiq, but I used an intous for years, and its no where near the control of drawing on paper. So if its more accurate in later generations, its a 200 hundred dollar "feels more natural" option over the cintiq 1k-2k option.
I dont really understand why the very option of having this device is offensive to you, though. "Fuck giving the digital artists more options for digitizing work unless its perfect out the gate!" doesnt seem productive.
Bamboo tablets are only $100 and they work great. A good first time tablet investment. Also more portable.
Seriously though. Am I the only person who likes the Bamboo more than Intous? Illustrator and Indesign don't care if you have 1024 pressure points or 2.
I've found that with the Intous, it's too sensitive for my workflow. When I'm dropping a guide line somewhere, even after I've released it, it gets stuck as if I were still holding it. Also, the nibs wear down horribly fast.
All this equipment stuff is personal preference based on individual workfloes. I think it's pretty good that we are getting more options. Choose what works best for you. That way the community will become less homogenized. I don't like the cintiq since my hand blocks my drawing. also the thing gets warm and sweaty sticky.
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It's existence and people buying it doesn't offend me, I just don't see why anyone would spend money on it when scanners already exist, are cheaper, are more accurate, and let you use whatever media you want in your sketchbook, rather than a ballpoint pen.
And comparing it to a Cintiq is not at all like with like, because again- a Cintiq doesn't limit you exclusively to programs that simulate ballpoint pen drawings- it's a great tool because you can run Photoshop on the thing and do all sorts of shit. If this thing was a sketchbook that ran Photoshop, it'd be incredible, amazing- but it's not that, it's essentially a fat $200 ballpoint pen. I wouldn't pay $200 for a ballpoint pen, so I wouldn't pay $200 for this.
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It's existence and people buying it doesn't offend me, I just don't see why anyone would spend money on it when scanners already exist, are cheaper, are more accurate, and let you use whatever media you want in your sketchbook, rather than a ballpoint pen.
And comparing it to a Cintiq is not at all like with like, because again- a Cintiq doesn't limit you exclusively to programs that simulate ballpoint pen drawings- it's a great tool because you can run Photoshop on the thing and do all sorts of shit. If this thing was a sketchbook that ran Photoshop, it'd be incredible, amazing- but it's not that, it's essentially a fat $200 ballpoint pen. I wouldn't pay $200 for a ballpoint pen, so I wouldn't pay $200 for this.
I didnt think of this. It's true. I use my tablet as a mouse to prevent wrist strain. Also it's great for 3D modeling. Can't do that with the pen. It's not a human interface device. I seem to remember there was a kid's toy that did the same thing as this. It recorded the words you wrote down and you could 1999 transfer it to your computer.
Its a specialized device, certainly. I don't see why that's a huge point against it, except for the fact that its new and not precise yet. It may not pay to be an early adopter with this, but if they develop it I think its a great idea. No it cant function as a computer, its a pen.
Its a specialized device, certainly. I don't see why that's a huge point against it, except for the fact that its new and not precise yet. It may not pay to be an early adopter with this, but if they develop it I think its a great idea. No it cant function as a computer, its a pen.
It's a point against it when there already exist cheaper, better solutions (scanners) for the same problem (digitizing traditional drawings).
If I'm trying to solve the problem of figuring out how to prevent my balls from being exposed to the public, my first thought is not to forgo the traditional underwear options and decide instead to spend obscene amounts of money having a fashion designer craft me some hitherto unseen new form of codpiece to serve the same purpose. (Maybe I'm just boring that way.)
I got my wacom for like 150 bucks at best buy. It was an open box so it was cheaper, maybe you could find something like that Ruka, if you look around.
Its a specialized device, certainly. I don't see why that's a huge point against it, except for the fact that its new and not precise yet. It may not pay to be an early adopter with this, but if they develop it I think its a great idea. No it cant function as a computer, its a pen.
It's a point against it when there already exist cheaper, better solutions (scanners) for the same problem (digitizing traditional drawings).
If I'm trying to solve the problem of figuring out how to prevent my balls from being exposed to the public, my first thought is not to forgo the traditional underwear options and decide instead to spend obscene amounts of money having a fashion designer craft me some hitherto unseen new form of codpiece to serve the same purpose. (Maybe I'm just boring that way.)
Scanners don't vectorize lines, and no version of live trace makes individual strokes. If I want to screen print some tees or stickers, thats a significant boost in the process. Its lame that its not spot on, because it would need to be for it to work. But scanning is not the optimal solution for every process. Just because scanning is good and works for stuff doesnt mean it is the pinnacle of digitizing and we couldn't do this some other way.
EWA: word, thats good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Hey Iruka If your tablet dies and you don't want to downgrade too much I have an Intuos 3 4x6 that I might have used about twice over the last two years.
Its a specialized device, certainly. I don't see why that's a huge point against it, except for the fact that its new and not precise yet. It may not pay to be an early adopter with this, but if they develop it I think its a great idea. No it cant function as a computer, its a pen.
It's a point against it when there already exist cheaper, better solutions (scanners) for the same problem (digitizing traditional drawings).
If I'm trying to solve the problem of figuring out how to prevent my balls from being exposed to the public, my first thought is not to forgo the traditional underwear options and decide instead to spend obscene amounts of money having a fashion designer craft me some hitherto unseen new form of codpiece to serve the same purpose. (Maybe I'm just boring that way.)
Scanners don't vectorize lines, and no version of live trace makes individual strokes. If I want to screen print some tees or stickers, thats a significant boost in the process. Its lame that its not spot on, because it would need to be for it to work. But scanning is not the optimal solution for every process. Just because scanning is good and works for stuff doesnt mean it is the pinnacle of digitizing and we couldn't do this some other way.
EWA: word, thats good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
For live trace, you scan switch it to stroke mode for individual strokes. What do you mean by that? Live trace is perfect for b/w tees.
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Also there's no way to say "I have pet reindeer" that is ridiculous.
Well, yeah. It's still kinda funny though.
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And a lot of you guys thought that thing was going to be cool. For $200 (even though I know some of you thought that $200 was somehow "cheap"), it really ought to do better than give me a version of my drawing that looks like it was drawn with my opposite hand.
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In other news my computer and tablet are both slowly digging their graves, and I dont have the 2k laying about to replace my system. I'm starting to have nightmares about it. Literal nightmares.
I'm not really sure off hand how much the tablets are these days though
Well, he's working bigger so obviously it's going to less noticeable (though the drawing still kinda blows but that's not really Wacom's fault there.)
But really, it's hard enough to do good drawings without adding in a factor that's going to randomly fuck them up to really get excited about this. And if the idea was to save clean-up time on scans...well now you have to spend even more time cleaning up an unholy mess of vector lines, have fun with that (you'd have to scan in the original drawing just to have a guide to tell you where the vector lines are supposed to go in the first place, so what's the point?).
There's still elements of a neat idea in this product, but I'd think getting this to take off it would have had to involved an Apple style, straight-out-of-the-box near perfect product (or so I hear from Apple fans)- they might be able to get there in a few iterations, but if the initial product is disappointing, the target audience will have soured on the idea by the time Wacom rolls out a version good enough that it's useful as an actual art tool and not just as a novelty.
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Because of my moving around, I kinda need a laptop, I'm afraid. The intous is like 400, the laptop would probably be about 1500. Honestly anything would be an upgrade from my 60gb hard drive XP running machine at this point, though.
AOB, I think you are really down on this thing. Wacom has room to flex, considering they dominate the market. Apple has rolled out products that were a little too early too. Like the Apple TV, which came out a few years before people really started using netflix/hulu and figured out how to use it. As long as wacom keeps pushing, I'm not going to turn my nose up at the same idea but better a few years from now.
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Really? I don't think it's that bad. In addition I thought profiles were handled via the intuos driver?
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Pretty much, yeah.
Beyond the 'hey that's kinda neat' factor, I'm pretty unconvinced that it does anything well enough to be all that useful. If you want to sketch, you're better off with regular pens and pencils and a scanner. If you want to do digital art, you're better off with a tablet (you'll probably need one anyway to clean up your sketches in any case...not to mention Photoshop and/or Illustrator, so it's not like you're saving money there). If you want to sketch digitally on the go, get a laptop to go with your tablet (and if you're such an on-the-go person you probably already have one anyway). I can't find the problem that this thing solves better than any of the things I've just laid out.
@Cake: That seems kind of a silly notion, because it somewhat assumes digital artists weren't previously aware of the concepts of sketchbooks and ballpoint pens, and they would only become interested in those things if there was some kind of techno-bullshit glommed onto them. Come on, give people some credit here.
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I dont really understand why the very option of having this device is offensive to you, though. "Fuck giving the digital artists more options for digitizing work unless its perfect out the gate!" doesnt seem productive.
Seriously though. Am I the only person who likes the Bamboo more than Intous? Illustrator and Indesign don't care if you have 1024 pressure points or 2.
I've found that with the Intous, it's too sensitive for my workflow. When I'm dropping a guide line somewhere, even after I've released it, it gets stuck as if I were still holding it. Also, the nibs wear down horribly fast.
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It's existence and people buying it doesn't offend me, I just don't see why anyone would spend money on it when scanners already exist, are cheaper, are more accurate, and let you use whatever media you want in your sketchbook, rather than a ballpoint pen.
And comparing it to a Cintiq is not at all like with like, because again- a Cintiq doesn't limit you exclusively to programs that simulate ballpoint pen drawings- it's a great tool because you can run Photoshop on the thing and do all sorts of shit. If this thing was a sketchbook that ran Photoshop, it'd be incredible, amazing- but it's not that, it's essentially a fat $200 ballpoint pen. I wouldn't pay $200 for a ballpoint pen, so I wouldn't pay $200 for this.
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I didnt think of this. It's true. I use my tablet as a mouse to prevent wrist strain. Also it's great for 3D modeling. Can't do that with the pen. It's not a human interface device. I seem to remember there was a kid's toy that did the same thing as this. It recorded the words you wrote down and you could 1999 transfer it to your computer.
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It's a point against it when there already exist cheaper, better solutions (scanners) for the same problem (digitizing traditional drawings).
If I'm trying to solve the problem of figuring out how to prevent my balls from being exposed to the public, my first thought is not to forgo the traditional underwear options and decide instead to spend obscene amounts of money having a fashion designer craft me some hitherto unseen new form of codpiece to serve the same purpose. (Maybe I'm just boring that way.)
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Scanners don't vectorize lines, and no version of live trace makes individual strokes. If I want to screen print some tees or stickers, thats a significant boost in the process. Its lame that its not spot on, because it would need to be for it to work. But scanning is not the optimal solution for every process. Just because scanning is good and works for stuff doesnt mean it is the pinnacle of digitizing and we couldn't do this some other way.
EWA: word, thats good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
For live trace, you scan switch it to stroke mode for individual strokes. What do you mean by that? Live trace is perfect for b/w tees.
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