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This is a thread to comment on any aspects of the infraction system. It is NOT a place to complain about infractions. Any attempts to do so will become ironic very fast.
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I mean the most annoying thing about it was that it meant you'd have to scroll left to right to read any post that came after it, but that's gone now.
It's only an example, but you're right. Breaking the H-Scroll is still obnoxious in some circumstances though.
I'm just curious, but...what if you go up to "jailed" level with a minor infraction like five minutes before one of your older minor infractions wears off? Wouldn't that undo the jailing right there?
I don't really plan to start breaking rules, just wondering about the system.
If the IP isn't banned, you can still view the forums.
Also, how long does it takes for infraction points to be removed?
Minor infractions last a month, major for two. Moderators can't remove infractions.
I like the time it takes to have one's account go back to normal.
But think about this. Posting 4 H-scroll breaking images within the span of 4 months = being permenantly banned from the forum.
Something about this seems off to me. I read through the post.. and all I gathered was how much harsher it was than the old system. The inability to make new threads or edit your old ones especially comes across as harsh.
Also, is this system automatic, or is the ability to apply infractions up to the moderators? IE, will the infractions be different, and thus the standards different, across the various sub-forums? This was one of the biggest complaints in the past with the jailing/banning system, and this would be a perfect time to correct that...
If you have two points, and a day before they're removed you get another infraction, you'll have four points until the second infraction is removed. That's the theory anyway.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
I'm not sure what you mean by "automatic." Do you mean will the board detect you have committed an infraction, and cite you for it? No. Do you mean that it will be up to a moderator's discretion whether or not to issue an infraction? Yes.
Personally, I'm just sitting here thinking of posting in the desktop threads. I know you wouldn't get nailed in there.. but technically.. you know.
My point is, however, that without a set definition of all the minor and major infractions, there's a lot of room for abuse -- especially over the span of 1/3 of a year.
Also, is it just me, or do none of the mods have tags or flags to let people know they are mods?
The rules are different in various subforums, so obviously there'll be different standards. Giving someone an infraction for using an ad hominem in SE would be retarded.
As far as it being overly harsh, it's only overly harsh on people who consistently break the rules. Thanatos is right, while breaking the H scroll (bearing in mind it would have to be in an exceptionally obnoxious way) is minor, if you've been told not to do it twice and you do it a third time, you could use the temp ban to learn not to be an idiot. If you then come back and do the same thing within two weeks of being unbanned, I have no sympathy at all. H-scroll offences are a bad example, they'll rarely be an issue. A better example is grifter, who today gave someone an infraction for making a thread in AC and refusing to accept any criticism (which is a grave error I understand). All he gets this time is a note telling him not to do it, and two points. If he does it twice more, he's clearly stupid.
In a way it's LESS harsh than the jail system, because only serious offences result in an instant jail. Posting in a spam thread for instance, can now be effectively punished with a minor infraction. It also punishes consistent misbehaviour. With the jail system, some users were either permanently jailed or jailed over and over again, and it was too hard to keep track of who'd been jailed, when, why, and how many times.
None of the mods have tags or flags to let people know they're mods.
Personally, I like it this way, but I doubt it'll stick around. It's on Ramius' to-do list.
I like it.
Only mods are capable of issuing infractions, and infractions are logged stringently. Yes, there's room for abuse, but all abuse is logged, moderators can't edit or delete the logs and any abuse will be punished. ANY mod tool can be abused, the infraction system is easily the hardest.
Setting a definition for minor and major infractions doesn't allow for context, and is likely to lead to people trying to play the system, as they did with the original jail system. Besides, it'll only lead to people saying "but that infraction isn't on the list!".
I'm still a little iffy on the time periods involved, especially the resetting of the time for a new infraction, but anything that would shorten that fairly would be overly complicated to cover all the exceptions and weirdness.
So yeah. This is good.
Will SE++ still be maintaining its unique list of bannings, separate from the forum as a whole?
Not as far as I can see. The only real sign is that if they're jailed or banned, it's obvious from their whole profile.
Hasn't been such a thing since the forum split got merged again. There's a "who got banned" thread in SE++ where banned SE++ers get posted, but the bans were global.
Anything that breaks the scroll at 1024 counts. It's barely an issue now, because h scroll breaks only effect one post, but it can still be obnoxious.
A better example would be posting an enormous (in file size) image or gif.
If I have to scroll 15" to see the end of the image, though, I'm gonna lay the smack down.
EAT FLAMING MOD FIST.
Evil!
That's not an issue since the board cuts those links short anyway.
Can't you just lock it like all the rules and who got banned threads?
So only mods can post in it anyway.