Some days you just can't get rid of a [chat]

Daxon

We spoke about conditionality today, it was interesting.

Abdhyius

basically daxon what would work is open markets

not "open*" markets like we have now

Mazzyx

Daxon wrote:

Mazzyx wrote:

Daxon wrote:

The US bank bailouts (one trillion dollars) is equivalent to the total amount of money given by all OECD countries since the 1960s to developing countries.

And we say we're trying to stop poverty, laughable.

I doubt anyone says that anymore. Actually outside of the some small circles in the US that wasn't said in the 1970's. Also bailouts were less than a trillion but that is me being a stickler.

Also curious where your numbers are from. Do they include UN and NGOS? World Bank and the IMF included?(Yes they are assholes but still money somewhere) Is it adjusted for inflation? What is the exact total? And what parts of aid are they counting? Does aid to Egypt count in this or not?

It's aid money given through DAC I do believe.

NGOs are not included in this, it's about governments giving the money through.. whatever channel they use.

So you are ignoring individual aid groups countries have and UNDP? UNICEF as well is aid money not through DAC. This seems very limited view on things here. Now don't get me wrong, I think countries who are able to afford it should give more. But a some of those OECD countries have billions if not trillions of dollars worth of need in their own countries as well. This is excluding political implications and working through democratic governments. Throw in how the aid is distributed, corruption in receiving countries and what the aid gets earmarked for.

Sucks when its super complicated huh?

Bogart

Also, the BNP is not like the Tea Party, except for maybe some shared racism. The BNP are much smaller, have no backing from anyone of note, and are ridiculed in every news outlet as clueless thugs and racists. They certainly have no political power to speak of beyond a few local council seats.

JustinSane07

Gooey wrote:

kekekeke came from wow

to an alliance person, a horde character saying hehehehe showed up as "kekekeke"

no it didn't.

spool32

Drez wrote:

Caveman Paws wrote:

Drez wrote:

Gooey wrote:

thanks to iOS5 I now have a reminder set whenever i leave my apt to "be awesome"

i love you iOS5

When you get back to your apartment does it remind you that you totally failed?

Alone? Awww, better luck next time awesome human.

-From your iphone

"I detect only one lifeform entering the home. Sad face."

Proximity detection for other iPhones...

"Gooey, she uses Android.

Calling "Mom". Handsfree Speaker activated."

matt has a problem

JustinSane07 wrote:

matt has a problem wrote:

There was a sci-fi story I read when I was a kid, about a kid who goes to visit his aunt on another planet, but instead of actually traveling they they just transfer his consciousness electronically, put it on a chip, and implant the chip in a cloned body. He later discovers that his aunt has been cloned and some bad person is holding her real body hostage or something.

I recognize this story but I can not fucking place it.

Yeah, I've never been able to remember what it was either.

Daxon

Mazzyx wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Mazzyx wrote:

Daxon wrote:

The US bank bailouts (one trillion dollars) is equivalent to the total amount of money given by all OECD countries since the 1960s to developing countries.

And we say we're trying to stop poverty, laughable.

I doubt anyone says that anymore. Actually outside of the some small circles in the US that wasn't said in the 1970's. Also bailouts were less than a trillion but that is me being a stickler.

Also curious where your numbers are from. Do they include UN and NGOS? World Bank and the IMF included?(Yes they are assholes but still money somewhere) Is it adjusted for inflation? What is the exact total? And what parts of aid are they counting? Does aid to Egypt count in this or not?

It's aid money given through DAC I do believe.

NGOs are not included in this, it's about governments giving the money through.. whatever channel they use.

So you are ignoring individual aid groups countries have and UNDP? UNICEF as well is aid money not through DAC. This seems very limited view on things here. Now don't get me wrong, I think countries who are able to afford it should give more. But a some of those OECD countries have billions if not trillions of dollars worth of need in their own countries as well. This is excluding political implications and working through democratic governments. Throw in how the aid is distributed, corruption in receiving countries and what the aid gets earmarked for.

Sucks when its super complicated huh?

Yeah well, they should be able to afford 0.7% of their own GNI right?

Bogart

Captain Carrot wrote:

I need some famous people named Burke. I already have Edmund, but nobody else on Wikipedia's list seems particularly well-known.

Burke the body snatcher.

ronya

Daxon wrote:

We spoke about conditionality today, it was interesting.

Conditional aid flows also suffer from the same problem, albeit a good choice of conditions can mitigate it.

Sarksus

matt has a problem wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

matt has a problem wrote:

There was a sci-fi story I read when I was a kid, about a kid who goes to visit his aunt on another planet, but instead of actually traveling they they just transfer his consciousness electronically, put it on a chip, and implant the chip in a cloned body. He later discovers that his aunt has been cloned and some bad person is holding her real body hostage or something.

I recognize this story but I can not fucking place it.

Yeah, I've never been able to remember what it was either.

The grown up version of this story is Altered Carbon.

Daxon

Abdhyius wrote:

basically daxon what would work is open markets

not "open*" markets like we have now

They tried that in the 1980s in Africa.

We got market failures because there was no profit and therefore no incentive to trade there in many things.

Gooey

ronya wrote:

Gooey wrote:

kekekeke came from wow

to an alliance person, a horde character saying hehehehe showed up as "kekekeke"

this hurt me inside

just so you know

:]

Abdhyius

Daxon wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

basically daxon what would work is open markets

not "open*" markets like we have now

They tried that in the 1980s in Africa.

We got market failures because there was no profit and therefore no incentive to trade there in many things.

they've never tried it

we've always had massive toll walls against stuff from poor places

TL DR

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

thanks to iOS5 I now have a reminder set whenever i leave my apt to "be awesome"

i love you iOS5

Somebody watched The Secret.

??

That hippie bullshit thing where you think happy thoughts and it makes you a millionaire.

Uhh, positive thinking does increase your chance at success, bro. Go read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Sarksus

Anybody want to go to a mountain with me. It's $260 for two nights and they give you champagne and cheese when you arrive.

skippydumptruck

You're invited! BlackBerry Innovation Forum 2011

haha wat

Chanus

Is it still the case that the U.S. gives more in pure dollars than the rest of the world combined, but since it's a smaller percentage of our GDP, everyone cries that we're heartless monsters?

Chanus

TL,DR wrote:

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

thanks to iOS5 I now have a reminder set whenever i leave my apt to "be awesome"

i love you iOS5

Somebody watched The Secret.

??

That hippie bullshit thing where you think happy thoughts and it makes you a millionaire.

Uhh, positive thinking does increase your chance at success, bro. Go read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Yeah, but not by magic.

Eddy

kekeke is a simple korean troll meme, just like how we got fat white people to like kpop

Daxon

Chanus wrote:

Is it still the case that the U.S. gives more in pure dollars than the rest of the world combined, but since it's a smaller percentage of our GDP, everyone cries that we're heartless monsters?

Not combined.

You give more than like the next 3 countries in line behind.

Basically it's the US giving 0.2% of its GNI (or something) then the UK giving about 0.65% of its GNI then a bunch of other countries.

Mazzyx

Daxon wrote:

Yeah well, they should be able to afford 0.7% of their own GNI right?

I would say maybe. This isn't a should but more a could they question. How much of that GNI is not going to private corporations, families and non-governmental bodies? How much is going the government in taxation? Aid isn't just hey lets give x% of our GNI to a country. And how and where it gets distributed is a whole mess.

Basically I am say it isn't that simple of an issue.

Gooey

i find overly negative people to be super duper annoying

dont tell me about your problems, tell me about your solutions!

Chanus

Eddy wrote:

kekeke is a simple korean troll meme, just like how we got fat white people to like kpop

^______________^

Thomamelas

Bogart wrote:

I would say try The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance as well. It's maybe my favourite John Ford movie.

It's one of my favorites. John Ford, Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne. Getting to watch John Ford and John Wayne break down the mythology they created is a treat.

TL DR

Chanus wrote:

TL,DR wrote:

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

Chanus wrote:

Gooey wrote:

thanks to iOS5 I now have a reminder set whenever i leave my apt to "be awesome"

i love you iOS5

Somebody watched The Secret.

??

That hippie bullshit thing where you think happy thoughts and it makes you a millionaire.

Uhh, positive thinking does increase your chance at success, bro. Go read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Yeah, but not by magic.

Oh.

I haven't seen The Secret.

You should still read that book.

matt has a problem

Sarksus wrote:

matt has a problem wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

matt has a problem wrote:

There was a sci-fi story I read when I was a kid, about a kid who goes to visit his aunt on another planet, but instead of actually traveling they they just transfer his consciousness electronically, put it on a chip, and implant the chip in a cloned body. He later discovers that his aunt has been cloned and some bad person is holding her real body hostage or something.

I recognize this story but I can not fucking place it.

Yeah, I've never been able to remember what it was either.

The grown up version of this story is Altered Carbon.

It wasn't supposed to be a "if you die we make a new body for you" kind of thing though, if I remember right that's just how people went on vacation over long distances. If the "real" body died, I think the clone would die too, that's why it was such a big deal that the aunt had been cloned.

nexuscrawler

Eddy wrote:

kekeke is a simple korean troll meme, just like how we got fat white people to like kpop

it is also a common declarative phrase to describe the power of ones Zerg rushes

Daxon

Mazzyx wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Yeah well, they should be able to afford 0.7% of their own GNI right?

I would say maybe. This isn't a should but more a could they question. How much of that GNI is not going to private corporations, families and non-governmental bodies? How much is going the government in taxation? Aid isn't just hey lets give x% of our GNI to a country. And how and where it gets distributed is a whole mess.

Basically I am say it isn't that simple of an issue.

They should stop this whole fragmentation dealie.

I can dream

of a world where all the money goes through one single distributive body and it is wonderful.

Mazzyx

Abdhyius wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

basically daxon what would work is open markets

not "open*" markets like we have now

They tried that in the 1980s in Africa.

We got market failures because there was no profit and therefore no incentive to trade there in many things.

they've never tried it

we've always had massive toll walls against stuff from poor places

No we did try doing the "free market" thing in Africa. Deregulation and open markets were requirements for a lot of IMF and World Bank loans during the 1970's and 1980's.

spool32

skippydumptruck wrote:

You're invited! BlackBerry Innovation Forum 2011

haha wat

They're so desperate to keep you as a customer.

RIM will need to start attaching a fleshlight to its Blackberry phones soon, or fade into obscurity.

nexuscrawler

we could od a lot of good for other country's economies just by killing our farming subsidies.

The US has basically made simple staple food farming completely unprofitable.

Eddy

asians are pretty good at war-like declarative phrases

Abdhyius

Sarksus wrote:

Anybody want to go to a mountain with me. It's $260 for two nights and they give you champagne and cheese.

I do

but I got a better place

33 dollars for two nights

Sarksus

Eddy wrote:

asians are pretty good at war-like declarative phrases

Also, at war.

matt has a problem

spool32 wrote:

skippydumptruck wrote:

You're invited! BlackBerry Innovation Forum 2011

haha wat

They're so desperate to keep you as a customer.

RIM will need to start attaching a fleshlight to its Blackberry phones soon, or fade into obscurity.

Once you go BlackBerry...

Daxon

Mazzyx wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

basically daxon what would work is open markets

not "open*" markets like we have now

They tried that in the 1980s in Africa.

We got market failures because there was no profit and therefore no incentive to trade there in many things.

they've never tried it

we've always had massive toll walls against stuff from poor places

No we did try doing the "free market" thing in Africa. Deregulation and open markets were requirements for a lot of IMF and World Bank loans during the 1970's and 1980's.

and because governments are absolutely essential in governance

it all failed miserably.

I was quite surprised to learn that the majority of the poorest people in the world live in middle income countries, not like.. Sub-Saharan Africa.

Sarksus

matt has a problem wrote:

spool32 wrote:

skippydumptruck wrote:

You're invited! BlackBerry Innovation Forum 2011

haha wat

They're so desperate to keep you as a customer.

RIM will need to start attaching a fleshlight to its Blackberry phones soon, or fade into obscurity.

Once you go BlackBerry...

You give it back...berry?

Chanus

nexuscrawler wrote:

we could od a lot of good for other country's economies just by killing our farming subsidies.

The US has basically made simple staple food farming completely unprofitable.

There's a special sense of fuck-you-ism there when we pay farmers to burn or just not grow their crops.

Sarksus

Abdhyius wrote:

Sarksus wrote:

Anybody want to go to a mountain with me. It's $260 for two nights and they give you champagne and cheese.

I do

but I got a better place

33 dollars for two nights

Is this a tent.

And a murder.