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Trenches comic: Tuesday Oct. 18, 2011

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edited October 2011 in The Penny Arcade Hub
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10/18/2011 - Anonymous

I used to work for a a large game company (who shall remain nameless) testing DS games. Now, this company is rather big and their facility is big as well, so they have a lot of wireless traffic which made dropped connections etc. pretty common.

As you could probably put together the DSs and handhelds were constantly falling victim to the interference due to the airwave traffic, so it was tough to say whether or not issues we were running into was the game or the shitty connection… That’s where the RF shielded tent comes in.

This thing was a tiny 2’ x 4’ tent placed behind an empty desk on the floor in the corner of the office, it just enough room to “barely” fit a person and would eradicate any outside wireless signal. To make use of it you step in, slouch down and test whether or not your game has decent connectivity.

It’s really tight and warm inside that thing, and as you’d suspect, one of the big things we would test in there was multiplayer…. which meant two people have to crawl and squeeze inside that stupid thing.

What happens in the RF tent stays in the RF tent. Nothing… wireless signal or otherwise… escapes from it.

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  • BogeyBogey I'm back, baby! Santa Monica, CAModerator Mod Emeritus
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

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  • KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    I'm really digging that the stories are sort of swinging towards less abloobloo being a qa sucks fuck the devs and more to hilarious shit instead.

    I think it is finally the day I send an email out with this comic to my whole office.

    Maybe
    maybe someone will tell me where the rf tent is

    :winky:

  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    Kochikens wrote:
    Maybe
    maybe someone will tell me where the rf tent is

    :winky:

    So... you come here often?

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  • KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Shhh... just pull out your DS and I'll pull out mine

    lets find out if we connect....

  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    RF in this case stands for "revolting fumes"

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Bogey wrote:
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

    I have one too.

    Well two non fictional people have it at least.
    I can relate to the story. At wal mart navigating the stock rooms with two people tended to be a very crowded experience

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Bogey wrote:
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

    I have one too.

    Well two non fictional people have it at least.
    I can relate to the story. At wal mart navigating the stock rooms with two people tended to be a very crowded experience

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    See, in a normal company this is where people would go on a five minute walk and test the connectivity someplace else. That tent shit would never even cross the mind of a rational human being, unless they could afford to do it bigger.

  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Zek wrote:
    See, in a normal company this is where people would go on a five minute walk and test the connectivity someplace else. That tent shit would never even cross the mind of a rational human being, unless they could afford to do it bigger.

    I had a similar thought about testing in a prefect vaccuum (RF tent) or testing in a real life situation, such as the wireless at a B&N. I imagine they did both, but the tent was for the quick check, then back to fixing the problem, then another quick check to see if it's fixed, without all the hassle of backing your crap, letting a boss know (getting permission), hitting the elevators, walking to your car, driving to a populated place and then testing and having to go all the way back afterwards.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    Bogey wrote:
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

    Woo WP7! :D

    I liked today's story too. Short, but unique. The amount of wireless traffic caused by DS game testing is something I hadn't thought of before.

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  • Tss_fanTss_fan Registered User regular
    What happens in the RF tent stays in the RF tent. Nothing… wireless signal or otherwise… escapes from it

    Reminds me of the bunkers in Afghanistan, 40 dudes in various states of undress taking cover from IDF. Is that your rifle in my pocket?

  • AnialosAnialos Collies are love, Collies are life! Shadowbrook ColliesRegistered User regular
    Tss_fan wrote:
    What happens in the RF tent stays in the RF tent. Nothing… wireless signal or otherwise… escapes from it

    Reminds me of the bunkers in Afghanistan, 40 dudes in various states of undress taking cover from IDF. Is that your rifle in my pocket?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Bogey wrote:
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

    Well I guess Bogey found the joke crafted for him! :P

    For some reason it has me thinking about the PDA type thing from The Dig.

  • rabidmuskratrabidmuskrat Registered User regular
    I'm slightly amused that the windows phone is the main thing that people are taking away from this comic.

  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    Zek wrote:
    See, in a normal company this is where people would go on a five minute walk and test the connectivity someplace else. That tent shit would never even cross the mind of a rational human being, unless they could afford to do it bigger.

    In a normal company, that RF tent would be something like 8x8x8 with some chairs so that you're employees wouldn't be squished and they would comfortable.

  • jackaljackal Fuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse. Registered User regular
    Memo
    To: All Employees
    Stop farting in the damn RF tent for fucks sake!

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    jackal wrote:
    Memo
    To: All Employees
    Stop farting in the damn RF tent for fucks sake!

    Now I can't stop thinking about guys going over to the tent, opening the flap, sticking their rear-end in, and saying, "test THIS wireless signal" while letting one rip.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    You know, this guy seemed incredibly determined to get this job considering how little he seems to know about testing and the culture of despair that permeates it.

    I'm still unsure what his whole thought process was.

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Damn where I work we have the opposite problem, half the place is accidentally a Faraday cage. So we have the problem of getting cell phone reception to the whole place. Switching from Sprint to Verizon played hell with our phones for a week.

  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    I'm curious as to why the test lead is in a booth with a microphone. Anyone?

  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
    No idea, but I've seen this in some tv show or another, where the boss stays safely behind his glass while ordering his minions around. But I've never heard of such a setup in a game testing environment. (Other than playtest labs, with 1 sided windows and all that jazz. But that's completely different)

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Fireflash wrote:
    No idea, but I've seen this in some tv show or another, where the boss stays safely behind his glass while ordering his minions around.

    Reminds me of the old tv show Taxi (where the guy behind the glass was a psychopathic Danny Devito). Don't know if this is supposed to be a reference to that or what.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote:
    Fireflash wrote:
    No idea, but I've seen this in some tv show or another, where the boss stays safely behind his glass while ordering his minions around.

    Reminds me of the old tv show Taxi (where the guy behind the glass was a psychopathic Danny Devito). Don't know if this is supposed to be a reference to that or what.

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    Hmm... could be on to something.

  • IvarIvar Oslo, NorwayRegistered User regular
    Tss_fan wrote:
    What happens in the RF tent stays in the RF tent. Nothing… wireless signal or otherwise… escapes from it

    Reminds me of the bunkers in Afghanistan, 40 dudes in various states of undress taking cover from IDF. Is that your rifle in my pocket?

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    Bogey wrote:
    Heh, somebody besides me has a Windows phone! :P

    "I...WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING, HOW DO I TEXT MESSAGE"

    (Bogey your phone so cra-zay)

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

    Because otherwise they get fired

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    So ok are most positions like that salary positions? where you can get around hours worked?

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Oh, yeah they would be salary. I don't think there's any way to have hourly employees stay without paying them at least normal rate or time off in lieu.

  • DeVryGuyDeVryGuy Registered User regular
    It depends on the company and where it's located, and if the testers are employees of the company or contractors. Entry level jobs of that sort might get paid overtime even if they are salaried, but they also get paid relatively little.

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  • LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    I think in most areas, development and possibly testing jobs are classified as "salary - exempt" or something to that effect, so there's no overtime pay. At least every dev job I've done has been that way.

    Now, I was often contracted out by my employer, who then charged the client company hourly for EVERY hour. So that, obviously, makes for a great situation for them, and less so for me.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

    Uh, I have to stay past five basically every single day. I'm on salary and I have deadlines to meet. The complaint about Crunch Time long hours is something completely foreign to me that I can't really feel sympathy with. Hell, my best friend is a high school teacher and he spends hours after work coaching soccer for the school and preparing his lesson plans.

    Based on my family and close friends' work experience, I'd definately say that once you get an actual career with aspirations of success and climbing the career ladder, working extra hours is the rule, not the exception. Not having to stay late or take work home with you is a perk.

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  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

    Uh, I have to stay past five basically every single day. I'm on salary and I have deadlines to meet. The complaint about Crunch Time long hours is something completely foreign to me that I can't really feel sympathy with. Hell, my best friend is a high school teacher and he spends hours after work coaching soccer for the school and preparing his lesson plans.

    Based on my family and close friends' work experience, I'd definately say that once you get an actual career with aspirations of success and climbing the career ladder, working extra hours is the rule, not the exception. Not having to stay late or take work home with you is a perk.

    Sure, but your high school teacher friend gets paid for soccer. And his union has likely negotiated mandated hours. At my teaching job, we have our hours laid out. They can't make us stay past a certain time. Nor can we leave before then. We're free to stay extra, of course (and you often do), but nobody can scold you for leaving on time as long as you work is done.

    More jobs need unions. The "perks" should be part of a civilized work environment.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    At the large telecom where I work, when I was first hired, the recruiter told me that while lots of overtime was available, I'd rarely, if ever, be forced to work overtime.

    Once I got the job, forced overtime was in effect. You had to work 10 hours a day, 50 hours a week, whether you wanted to or not, no exceptions (we did get paid time and half for that work, of course). If you didn't work those hours, you could be written up for "insubordination", and if you did it often enough, you could be fired - so they said. The ironic thing was that the union contract supposedly forbade forced overtime. The management got around this by calling it 'emergency' overtime, despite the fact that this lasted years (about 3 years for me, I think it was more like 5 for people who had been working their longer). You weren't even allowed to trade your overtime with people who wanted to work longer hours for the pay. I eventually got moved to a different department within the company where overtime was no longer required. Now I can't even get overtime if I want it - something of a mixed blessing.
    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

    I expect this would be salaried workers. At the telecom where I work, supervisors have been occasionally called in to work extra hours due to emergency situations - union strikes being one example. Supervisors also routinely stay longer than their normal hours if they have work to finish up under a deadline.



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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    Hewn wrote:
    More jobs need unions. The "perks" should be part of a civilized work environment.

    While I admit there are jobs and environments that need unions, every interaction I've had with unions was a poor one. I despise them and wish I could opt out of my own right now, but for some odd reason my state hasn't passed law to make that legal.

    But yeah, testers and the whole video game industry could probably use a unionized push to get some payment for "crunch" because the amount of horror stories you hear is ridiculous.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? Like, at my job, sometimes I stay past five to get stuff done, but it's because I want to. Are they, like, being paid extra to stay there in this case? I guess if they are hourly workers that have to be?

    How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?

    Uh, I have to stay past five basically every single day. I'm on salary and I have deadlines to meet. The complaint about Crunch Time long hours is something completely foreign to me that I can't really feel sympathy with. Hell, my best friend is a high school teacher and he spends hours after work coaching soccer for the school and preparing his lesson plans.

    Based on my family and close friends' work experience, I'd definately say that once you get an actual career with aspirations of success and climbing the career ladder, working extra hours is the rule, not the exception. Not having to stay late or take work home with you is a perk.

    But this isn't a case of career aspirations or corporate ladder work. It's menial dead end jobs that routinely enforce 14+ hour days.

    So

    That's different?

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Also yeah, teachers are paid more to do things like sports coaching, and even if he isn't he's doing that voluntarily. Voluntary ot to get things done on your own volition is completely different from all-staff forced overtime on a continuous basis.

  • KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    But this isn't a case of career aspirations or corporate ladder work. It's menial dead end jobs that routinely enforce 14+ hour days.

    So

    That's different?


    What are you talking about? QA? QA is often, sometimes, magically a starting point for people who want to start at the bottom rung of games and move up to being Devs. For Devs, well, uh. Yeah, it is career aspirations and 'corporate' ladder work. It's not necessarily a dead end job that forces 14+ hour days constantly.

  • SlippyfistSlippyfist Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Can someone explain the idea of forced overtime to me? ... How can you force your staff to work overtime, not pay them for that time, and do that regularly?
    It's called companies are greedy, and you are a chump.
    If you occasionally throw in an extra hour here or there to meet a deadline, then great, good job. Sometimes it's just the thing to do.
    If your employer says "we will pay you for 40 hours a week, however you will work for 60," and you don't laugh in their face and walk out the door, you are a sucker.

  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    Slippyfist wrote:
    If your employer says "we will pay you for 40 hours a week, however you will work for 60," and you don't laugh in their face and walk out the door, you are a sucker.

    Caught the latest unemployment numbers? It's harder than it sounds to walk away from an income.

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