We were just teaching her!
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Is this just an overreaction or do you think this couple went too far?
Will the child not being socialized into normal values regarding the privacy of sex make its life more difficult?
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A Woonsocket mother and her boyfriend are headed to trial on charges they had intercourse in front of the woman's 9-year-old daughter as a way to teach the girl about sex.
Rebecca Arnold, of Woonsocket, and her boyfriend, David Prata, have pleaded not guilty to felony child-neglect charges. A pre-trial conference is scheduled for next month.
When questioned by an investigator from the state Department of Children, Youth and Families, Prata, 33, said he and Arnold, 36, had sex "all the time" in front of the child and that "we don't believe in hiding anything."
He said the girl would often be on the bed watching as the couple had sex. Though they did not ask her to leave, they also did not force her to remain on the bed, Prata said.
Asked why he thought a child that age should know about sexual acts, Prata replied, "We wanted to prepare her so she would know how," according to a report from the investigator, Vanessa E. Cisela.
The allegations against the couple were revealed in December 2004 after the girl went to live with her biological father in North Adams, Mass. after spending the summer with her mother in Woonsocket. A teacher in North Adams called the Child Abuse Hotline to report that the girl, who is now 11, said her mother and her boyfriend had sex in front of her.
The child told a Massachusetts social services investigator that her mother and Prata never touched her or tried to include her in the sex.
Woonsocket police arrested Prata and Arnold in February 2005. The couple is accused of "providing an environment that is lewd and depraved in a manner that makes their home unfit for the child to live in," according to court records.
Prata and Arnold are free on bail pending a March 19 pretrial conference in Family Court. They could each face one to three years in prison if convicted or a maximum $1,000 fine, or both.
Is this just an overreaction or do you think this couple went too far?
Will the child not being socialized into normal values regarding the privacy of sex make its life more difficult?
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If its illegal to sell porn to a 9 year old, im guessing its a good bet that its illegal to act it out for them.
Workingmen of all countries, unite!
Seriously, she was 9, not 12. Most don't even hit puberty till 11. It's a pretty clear case of them working their way up to "Do you want to practice with mommy's boyfriend so you can get better?"
EDIT: ElJeffe - but consider the counter-point, which is what's the difference between this (where the 'parents' overtly knew the child was watching), and a child discretely watching out of curiosity. Leads back to what I said above I think.
Umm good point, sorry I didn't take that into account.
But using it to actually teach the kid and show her how exactly it´s done... no, that´s not what I´d do. Ever.
Edit: To clarify - use a damn blanket or something!
I mean, on the one hand, we went a couple thousand years of generations of families living under the same roof, procreating three feet from Grandma and the youngins.
On the other hand, put on a blanket 'cause eeewwwwwww
I'm not the only one who saw the Miracle of Life film in 6th grade, am I?
Why is this?
How does this work?
Is there a study you can cite?
Are nudists' kids subject to the same auto-trauma?
And yeah I basically throw my chips in on the side of no proof of harm.
According to the internet, Woonsocket leads its state in child abuse and child neglect reportings. Where is this charming place?
Sorta hard to tell, but I hope you're right.
What? A study on if you thought something was normal and natural, and then people swept onto your property, taking you away from your family and then holding a trial in which you were the star witness whose testimony would ultimately end up fucking your parents over and its effects on your future ideals and values surrounding sexual acts and behaivior?
I dunno, check Masters and Johnson.
edit: Ah. A jumping of the gun. No harm, no foul.
See the post right before yours.
Not really the same. Nudity isn't inherently sexual. Actual sex kind of is.
ehhh... see... I don't think it really is harmful in and of itself, but see... I don't really know about the motive. People are so fucking horrible and twisted... I think this was leading somewhere pretty bad. Particularly if the watching the guy fap to porn thing was true.
Most folks manage to figure out the mechanics, and that kinda see "We wanted to prepare her so she would know how". Uhh... the gross mechanics? I don't think many folks have too much of a problem with that. What kinda timeline are they thinking on, do they have an intended uuhhh... suitor picked out?
I don't know. I think a lot of how our society deals with sex is totally fucked up and that it leads to all sorts of issue, and ugh... I really wish I could believe that these folks' intentions where honorable, but... I guess I'm not capable of that. I really wish the would "it's just sex" thing that they were, purportedly, trying to teach was more wide spread. But I'm just not capable of trusting people to not be horrible.
10 bucks says that girl will be pregnant before her first period.
I think you are.
So, obviously, a little girl who walked in on her mom and dad and watched secretly, she would be preggers before her first period too as well?
No, he's not. What the hell are you talking about? Elaborate, don't just say whatever pops in to your head at the time.
That is often so very true.
EDIT: Obs, what the hell is that supposed to mean?