portal's gameplay is great because it's not just a puzzler with a neat premise and some hard puzzles
the puzzles are legitimately clever. every single puzzle in those games has an "a HA" moment. every room is so well thought out and designed that it's rare where you get to the solution of a puzzle and not go "holy crap everything about the way this room is constructed suddenly makes sense this is brilliant"
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Portal 2's ending was both hilarious, and awesome all at one moment
that's kinda hard to beat
Also I constantly hear all this praise about wind waker. Is this a zelda game I should have already played? Only played Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Oracle of Ages and Seasons
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
Besides the fact that the kid had a REALLY annoying sounding voice, yes, Red Dead's spaghetti western style ending is at the top of of Best Endings in games, alongside Bastion and Portal 2
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
planescape torment has a fantastic ending, but there are so many good endings out there I'm quite afraid of labeling any of the ones I can current think of as best.
wind waker and portal 2's are really goddamn good though. the set piece for wind waker's final boss is probably my all-time favorite for a final boss in any game.
Majora's Mask has great atmosphere and a cool story but I didn't care for the time mechanic. Wind Waker will always be The Best Zelda, if we're being stupidly forceful about our opinions.
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
Besides the fact that the kid had a REALLY annoying sounding voice, yes, Red Dead's spaghetti western style ending is at the top of of Best Endings in games, alongside Bastion and Portal 2
Yeah, the kid had an annoying voice. I'm counting everything from
John stepping out of the barn to his own death, the passage of time, taking over as the kid - which has meaning in and of itself, related to how you are now playing as a character who literally had everything handed to him in both a narrative and metagaming sense (he didn't earn anything you have at the end of that game, achievements included), and then the actual moment of revenge which culminates with one of the best songs to play in a series of credits ever (Dead Man's Gun)
But man, when you are giving GOTY, and one of the criteria is how fun it is, how do you not give it to Saint's Row the Third
Personally I had more fun with Skyrim!
Saint's Row had a fantastic campaign, even if it was super disjointed, but I had no desire to play the side shit after it was done
Skyrim maybe didn't have as much fun concentrated into a 10 hour period, but I consistently enjoyed myself for all of the 60-70 hours I played, which never happens.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
Majora's Mask has great atmosphere and a cool story but I didn't not care for the time mechanic. Wind Waker will always be The Best Zelda, if we're being stupidly forceful about our opinions.
I loved the time mechanic. And the masks. And the dungeons. And all the stuff you mentioned.
I saw a thing on the AV Club where they said "Skyward Sword is the first 3D Zelda game to match the power of the NES and SNES installments" and I was like, what
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
Besides the fact that the kid had a REALLY annoying sounding voice, yes, Red Dead's spaghetti western style ending is at the top of of Best Endings in games, alongside Bastion and Portal 2
Yeah, the kid had an annoying voice. I'm counting everything from
John stepping out of the barn to his own death, the passage of time, taking over as the kid - which has meaning in and of itself, related to how you are now playing as a character who literally had everything handed to him in both a narrative and metagaming sense (he didn't earn anything you have at the end of that game, achievements included), and then the actual moment of revenge which culminates with one of the best songs to play in a series of credits ever (Dead Man's Gun)
That game has some of the best dialogue in any game I've played
At least Jeff and Patrick liked it...
man the dialogue I saw was average and barely competently voiced so I dunno
I liked the voice acting but that's taste
The dialogue I mean is during the conversation "battles"
There's a number of those in the game, and those are great
They feel like a battle of wits between two smart people, and the fact that they change over multiple playthroughs is also amazing
That and how they treat the conversation aug and how they contextualize it within the fiction and how it doesn't just act as a [Force Persuade] and in fact just changes the conversation game rather than removing it entirely? That's some good shit
Also, you kids who don't think Link to the Past is the best Zelda are KIDS.
It's pretty great but no. Wind Waker is better. And I've got all the nostalgia from first playing LTTP when it was released, as well as a more recent playthrough maybe 2 years ago to back that up. WW is still the superior game.
But man, when you are giving GOTY, and one of the criteria is how fun it is, how do you not give it to Saint's Row the Third
Personally I had more fun with Skyrim!
Saint's Row had a fantastic campaign, even if it was super disjointed, but I had no desire to play the side shit after it was done
Skyrim maybe didn't have as much fun concentrated into a 10 hour period, but I consistently enjoyed myself for all of the 60-70 hours I played, which never happens.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
Yeah, both have tremendous replayability
Any year other than this year or last year, Skyrim wins no contest
Sorry, but if it was released last year, it still wouldn't have deserved GOTY. Red Dead Redemption was/is just too perfect.
the only video game ending better than portal 2 is wind waker
that is it
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
Besides the fact that the kid had a REALLY annoying sounding voice, yes, Red Dead's spaghetti western style ending is at the top of of Best Endings in games, alongside Bastion and Portal 2
Yeah, the kid had an annoying voice. I'm counting everything from
John stepping out of the barn to his own death, the passage of time, taking over as the kid - which has meaning in and of itself, related to how you are now playing as a character who literally had everything handed to him in both a narrative and metagaming sense (he didn't earn anything you have at the end of that game, achievements included), and then the actual moment of revenge which culminates with one of the best songs to play in a series of credits ever (Dead Man's Gun)
But man, when you are giving GOTY, and one of the criteria is how fun it is, how do you not give it to Saint's Row the Third
Personally I had more fun with Skyrim!
Saint's Row had a fantastic campaign, even if it was super disjointed, but I had no desire to play the side shit after it was done
Skyrim maybe didn't have as much fun concentrated into a 10 hour period, but I consistently enjoyed myself for all of the 60-70 hours I played, which never happens.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
Well that is why it is a personal opinion
you like Saint's Row more, I like Skyrim more
and the GB Crew ended up deciding overall they liked Skyrim more, barring Ryan who didn't even put it on his top 10.
It would be one thing if this was all objective review shit but they preface everything about the GotY stuff by saying it is their own personal opinions on these games. Which is why getting mad at dudes for liking something more than something else is dumb.
wasn't even my favorite part of the ending, I don't think
The part you spoiled is one of the few genuinely delightful surprises I've had in recent years with video games. Everything else has gotten affected by hype too much, or spoiled outright by the internet somehow. But also great was how it has genuine resolution. Games just don't do that very much anymore.
I don't think it has to have a fantastic soundtrack. It just needs a competent one. Good music makes a whole hell of a lot of difference though, and is not used very much. Saint's Row 3 and Bastion are two games off the top of my head that use music the most effectively this year.
But man, when you are giving GOTY, and one of the criteria is how fun it is, how do you not give it to Saint's Row the Third
Personally I had more fun with Skyrim!
Saint's Row had a fantastic campaign, even if it was super disjointed, but I had no desire to play the side shit after it was done
Skyrim maybe didn't have as much fun concentrated into a 10 hour period, but I consistently enjoyed myself for all of the 60-70 hours I played, which never happens.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
Well that is why it is a personal opinion
you like Saint's Row more, I like Skyrim more
and the GB Crew ended up deciding overall they liked Skyrim more, barring Ryan who didn't even put it on his top 10.
It would be one thing if this was all objective review shit but they preface everything about the GotY stuff by saying it is their own personal opinions on these games. Which is why getting mad at dudes for liking something more than something else is dumb.
except that Jeff and Vinny both think Saints Row the Third is better and Skyrim won a war of attrition
I'm not mad at anyone but I think it's a little weird that Ryan just kind of checked out of the discussion
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the puzzles are legitimately clever. every single puzzle in those games has an "a HA" moment. every room is so well thought out and designed that it's rare where you get to the solution of a puzzle and not go "holy crap everything about the way this room is constructed suddenly makes sense this is brilliant"
Except for Red Dead Redemption. I mean, I just assume that everyone who has a soul and is a decent human being acknowledges how raw and amazing the ending of Red Dead is, and how nothing else can hold a candle to it.
Portal 2's ending was both hilarious, and awesome all at one moment
that's kinda hard to beat
Also I constantly hear all this praise about wind waker. Is this a zelda game I should have already played? Only played Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Oracle of Ages and Seasons
Besides the fact that the kid had a REALLY annoying sounding voice, yes, Red Dead's spaghetti western style ending is at the top of of Best Endings in games, alongside Bastion and Portal 2
I fucking love Wind Waker
Fuck, it was on gamecube
WHY DID I GIVE MY GAMECUBE TO MY COUSIN?!
1) Wind Waker
1) Majora's Mask
3) Twilight Princess
maybe I can convince him to do a playthrough session of it with me...
You are objectively wrong if you think otherwise! Sorry!
planescape torment has a fantastic ending, but there are so many good endings out there I'm quite afraid of labeling any of the ones I can current think of as best.
wind waker and portal 2's are really goddamn good though. the set piece for wind waker's final boss is probably my all-time favorite for a final boss in any game.
that's six games, dummy
also the only true top 5:
xenoblade
dark souls
tribes: ascend
bastion
skyrim
portal 2
I'm glad you and I can both agree on Majora's Mask
that game's premise was amazingly epic, all "In 3 days the moon's going to crash and blow up the earth, better stop it!"
Yeah, the kid had an annoying voice. I'm counting everything from
as the end.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
I loved the time mechanic. And the masks. And the dungeons. And all the stuff you mentioned.
I saw a thing on the AV Club where they said "Skyward Sword is the first 3D Zelda game to match the power of the NES and SNES installments" and I was like, what
It's not as good as Majora.
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.
Red Dead Redemption, Best Game of 2010
I liked the voice acting but that's taste
The dialogue I mean is during the conversation "battles"
There's a number of those in the game, and those are great
They feel like a battle of wits between two smart people, and the fact that they change over multiple playthroughs is also amazing
That and how they treat the conversation aug and how they contextualize it within the fiction and how it doesn't just act as a [Force Persuade] and in fact just changes the conversation game rather than removing it entirely? That's some good shit
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Also question, how many people here did the side quests involved with the guy in Red Dead Redemption that was supposedly Death?
Cause that shit was so good
world's moved on old man
newer zeldas have done everything LttP did and more, but better
deal with it
It's pretty great but no. Wind Waker is better. And I've got all the nostalgia from first playing LTTP when it was released, as well as a more recent playthrough maybe 2 years ago to back that up. WW is still the superior game.
Yeah, both have tremendous replayability
Any year other than this year or last year, Skyrim wins no contest
Sorry, but if it was released last year, it still wouldn't have deserved GOTY. Red Dead Redemption was/is just too perfect.
Steam
This. Fucking this times a million.
Steam
you like Saint's Row more, I like Skyrim more
and the GB Crew ended up deciding overall they liked Skyrim more, barring Ryan who didn't even put it on his top 10.
It would be one thing if this was all objective review shit but they preface everything about the GotY stuff by saying it is their own personal opinions on these games. Which is why getting mad at dudes for liking something more than something else is dumb.
The part you spoiled is one of the few genuinely delightful surprises I've had in recent years with video games. Everything else has gotten affected by hype too much, or spoiled outright by the internet somehow. But also great was how it has genuine resolution. Games just don't do that very much anymore.
well yeah
a game has to have both a fantastic story and ending, and nowdays I say it has to have a fantastic soundtrack as well
hence Bastion as GOTY this year
hell it is my favorite game period.
so is rock band 2 (rock band 3 may be better but I've spent more time in rb2)
except that Jeff and Vinny both think Saints Row the Third is better and Skyrim won a war of attrition
I'm not mad at anyone but I think it's a little weird that Ryan just kind of checked out of the discussion
did you ever play The Lion King for sega genesis
you must not have
more like game that worked half of the time of the year also it was stupid 2010