Maybe it would be done already if Nomura and his team were actually allowed to work on it till recently, instead of being pushed onto countless other projects and leaving it on the backburner?
At this rate, it'll already be the Swan Song of this generation.
That's the kind of headline that NeoGAF furiously masturbates to.
But on the upside, it sounds like they really are taking great strides to change their policies. Acquiring feedback from their games as they are developing them, rather than just shut themselves off until said game is finished, is certainly a significant strategy.
Had they done that with FFXIV, it might not have ended up the disaster that it is today.
As for Versus, I'm going to take a guess that they're saving it for E3, making it the game's biggest, content-filled unveiling yet.
Of course that probably also means it won't be out until 2013, which....well it might as well be a PS4 launch title, which it won't be.
Ffxii was ragnarok online, .hack, a wide variety of korean mmos or whatever else. The gambit system was at least squares, but it was lifted from the mana series.
Ffxiii was persona, flat out, up to and including mc death = gameover. Paradigm shift was pretty much just hitting the 'change strategy' button in persona because the characters act vastly different based on their strat.
Tweaking existing systems isn't exactly being creative, which is what I am more or less lamenting. Because it seems whenever they do find something good, they then abandon it to try aping something else in a halfassed fashion. How great could xiii been if they just stuck to the damn x-2 system even.
I'm thinking they said versus would be an actiony game? That should be interesting. Type-0 plays like God Eaters so Ill be curious to see what style they copy for versus.
(Also, crystal bearer had a style to it at least. Not one I can offhandedly label as an imitation. I'm curious if anyone knows otherwise.)
As for xiv, I again blame outsourcing. China style mmo all up ins.
Holy shit I loved this game as a kid. Wonder if it'll make it over, what with DQMJ2 needing Nintendo to bring it to the west (and even if it comes to the US, will it come to Europe as well? Bloody region locking...)
Regarding that Giantbomb article, seriously? SE never focus-tested shit before? "Previously, the game would finish development and then the team would seek out feedback. This meant most meaningful notes from fans could not be incorporated until the next game, potentially years out."
Then... how did they end up switching the main character in 12 from Basch to Vaan? I've been living a lie this whole time!
Wait wait wait. I know we have next to no details, but people should be freaking out a little at least.
Type 0 is coming to America!
Not to be Buzz Killington, but all we know is that an International Version of Type-0 is almost definitely being worked on. International Versions of Squeenix games tend to be ridiculously named, as they barely go anywhere outside of Japan. So.....
Wait wait wait. I know we have next to no details, but people should be freaking out a little at least.
Type 0 is coming to America!
Not to be Buzz Killington, but all we know is that an International Version of Type-0 is almost definitely being worked on. International Versions of Squeenix games tend to be ridiculously named, as they barely go anywhere outside of Japan. So.....
But they didn't say international, they said overseas.
Wait wait wait. I know we have next to no details, but people should be freaking out a little at least.
Type 0 is coming to America!
Not to be Buzz Killington, but all we know is that an International Version of Type-0 is almost definitely being worked on. International Versions of Squeenix games tend to be ridiculously named, as they barely go anywhere outside of Japan. So.....
But they didn't say international, they said overseas.
Huh. A direct quote would be nice, I guess, but everything I see says "International" except like one sentence in the Andriasang article. Regardless, I'm not going to believe it until I see an official statement because Type-0 looks way too good and I want it to be a sure thing before I get hyped.
Why would they release an International version before the game has gone international? If they were just re-releasing it without a western release, they'd just call it something else, like Final Mix.
And come on, Type-0 was ALWAYS going to get a western release. It's not a Nintendo game we're talking about, it's Square Enix and Final Fantasy. The question was what platform would it come out on. Chances are, as a PSP exclusive, it'll stay on a Sony system, so that means PS3 or Vita. I'm hoping the latter because fuck the people that always whine about portable exclusives and want them ported to consoles.
Square Enix are capable of some pretty stupid decisions (DQX is still meant to come to Wii after all) but I don't really think that's a possibility. The PSP is dead in the west and piracy is rampant on it. What's the point of even bothering with it? They'll get far more media attention as a Vita exclusive than they would staying on the PSP.
I remember when I was very young, and renting SNES games at the local video store was still a thing to do at the end of the week. I noticed something that said Final Fantasy III with what looked like a little white, squinty koala bear leaning on a dagger like a boss. I figured "what the heck, I'll try it". Life changed forever that day.
FFVI is the game I judge not only other FF games by, but every RPG I play. The only other games that I've come close to having as much fun playing are Super Mario RPG (fucking awesome game) and FFVIII.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten in your presence.
So I'm getting my arse kicked in Chapter 13. So I've taken
that portal to Gran Pulse. Do some missions. Get my team tough. Just imagine a rocky balboa style montage, but with me taking on missions.
This is the absolute best part of the game. See how many hunts you can complete without the final level of the sphere grid (which you gain access to once you've beaten the game), I managed 45.
So I'm getting my arse kicked in Chapter 13. So I've taken
that portal to Gran Pulse. Do some missions. Get my team tough. Just imagine a rocky balboa style montage, but with me taking on missions.
This is the absolute best part of the game. See how many hunts you can complete without the final level of the sphere grid (which you gain access to once you've beaten the game), I managed 45.
Apparently you never fight that gigantic glowing titan on Gran Pulse. Which is a shame, that fight would be epic.
Holy shit I loved this game as a kid. Wonder if it'll make it over, what with DQMJ2 needing Nintendo to bring it to the west (and even if it comes to the US, will it come to Europe as well? Bloody region locking...)
Regarding that Giantbomb article, seriously? SE never focus-tested shit before? "Previously, the game would finish development and then the team would seek out feedback. This meant most meaningful notes from fans could not be incorporated until the next game, potentially years out."
Then... how did they end up switching the main character in 12 from Basch to Vaan? I've been living a lie this whole time!
It was in an interview with a french magazine or something? Since Vagrant Story had a 'middle aged' male lead and didn't do so well, they decided 12 wouldn't do well with a middle aged male lead. So they changed it to Vaan.
yeah, because some unknown game made six years previous didn't do so hot, that decided it had to be changed. Oh square.
Holy shit I loved this game as a kid. Wonder if it'll make it over, what with DQMJ2 needing Nintendo to bring it to the west (and even if it comes to the US, will it come to Europe as well? Bloody region locking...)
Regarding that Giantbomb article, seriously? SE never focus-tested shit before? "Previously, the game would finish development and then the team would seek out feedback. This meant most meaningful notes from fans could not be incorporated until the next game, potentially years out."
Then... how did they end up switching the main character in 12 from Basch to Vaan? I've been living a lie this whole time!
Management felt players wouldn't be able to identify with Basch, so they forced the developers to shoehorn in a younger male character.
This happened exactly because they did not not playtest their games.
Holy shit I loved this game as a kid. Wonder if it'll make it over, what with DQMJ2 needing Nintendo to bring it to the west (and even if it comes to the US, will it come to Europe as well? Bloody region locking...)
Regarding that Giantbomb article, seriously? SE never focus-tested shit before? "Previously, the game would finish development and then the team would seek out feedback. This meant most meaningful notes from fans could not be incorporated until the next game, potentially years out."
Then... how did they end up switching the main character in 12 from Basch to Vaan? I've been living a lie this whole time!
Management felt players wouldn't be able to identify with Basch, so they forced the developers to shoehorn in a younger male character.
This happened exactly because they did not not playtest their games.
Actually yeah, what you and Chocobolicious are saying makes a lot of sense - Vaan isn't appealing to anyone. Weird for management to think that considering Auron is a badass.
All management across the world does that though, not just S-E. "X doesn't do too well with the market, but Y is super hot right now. Add more Y.". Where X could be something stupid like female protagonists, and Y as inconsequential as the colour orange on the bloody box. It's utterly stupid to be sure, but sadly it exists everywhere.
But one of the nitty gritty questions to ask is: just how much of it is actually true? Does the general japanese market really only prefer the androgynous teeny-bopper, or do they only like it because that's what they're told they like?
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
All management across the world does that though, not just S-E. "X doesn't do too well with the market, but Y is super hot right now. Add more Y.". Where X could be something stupid like female protagonists, and Y as inconsequential as the colour orange on the bloody box. It's utterly stupid to be sure, but sadly it exists everywhere.
But one of the nitty gritty questions to ask is: just how much of it is actually true? Does the general japanese market really only prefer the androgynous teeny-bopper, or do they only like it because that's what they're told they like?
Not really, a lot of companies spend millions a year on focus group testing and that can greatly affect changes they make to their products.
That being said I can't say one is superior to the other since focus groups depend on the quality of your focus groups.
I thought FFT had an amazing storyline (granted I have never even finished the game because I got stuck at that god damn warehouse)
do the advanced games continue with that? it all seemed much more cartoonish and kinda turned me off.
Ahaha oh wow. God no. Play Tactics Ogre: LuCT if you want a similar experience (actually you'll get hella deja vu for the first bit, but the endings are very different).
Though I do enjoy the debates we have over whether or not Marche from FFTA is an asshole or not, and I find it the most fun to play out of the FFT games.
I dont think its really debateble, is it? Marche is an asshole. I mean there really is nothing else to be said about it. Everyone is happy, and you know, not alone or CRIPPLED and he says fuck y'all, we're going back to shitsville, here's your wheelchair kid.
I dont think its really debateble, is it? Marche is an asshole. I mean there really is nothing else to be said about it. Everyone is happy, and you know, not alone or CRIPPLED and he says fuck y'all, we're going back to shitsville, here's your wheelchair kid.
They're running from their problems, from the minor (my hair is awesome) to the serious (I am an unemployed deadbeat/bitch I live in a fucking wheelchair). Plus everyone else related to Mewt has been transformed, like the bullies being zombies (but I think later they're seen as vampires, so I guess it's not all bad). Living in a fantasy world is nice as escapism, but you've got to face reality sometime.
...Or something. I personally think he's an asshole too, so yeah.
I dont think its really debateble, is it? Marche is an asshole. I mean there really is nothing else to be said about it. Everyone is happy, and you know, not alone or CRIPPLED and he says fuck y'all, we're going back to shitsville, here's your wheelchair kid.
They're running from their problems, from the minor (my hair is awesome) to the serious (I am an unemployed deadbeat/bitch I live in a fucking wheelchair). Plus everyone else related to Mewt has been transformed, like the bullies being zombies (but I think later they're seen as vampires, so I guess it's not all bad). Living in a fantasy world is nice as escapism, but you've got to face reality sometime.
...Or something. I personally think he's an asshole too, so yeah.
I think the lesson we take away from this is that his life was fine, so everyone else can just deal. He should have been in a wheelchair, that would have made a far more interesting moral choice.
You forget the whole convincing his own followers that don't exist in his world that they're not real and having them commence massive genocide up to extinction of their entire plane of existence, including themselves.
Marche destroyed and entire would and many sentient races while leading a murderous/suicidal cult. And got away with it. Whatever your justifications for him, that has to count for at least something in the villians' recordbooks.
You forget the whole convincing his own followers that don't exist in his world that they're not real and having them commence massive genocide up to extinction of their entire plane of existence, including themselves.
Marche destroyed and entire would and many sentient races while leading a murderous/suicidal cult. And got away with it. Whatever your justifications for him, that has to count for at least something in the villians' recordbooks.
The creation of which destroyed an entire world and most of a sentient race in the first place.
Seriously though Montblanc, what the fuck is wrong with you. I do not understand how someone who thinks "Yeah, let's destroy the pillars supporting this reality, erasing my existence" is a good idea became leader of the most powerful guild in Ivalice (in FFXII).
You forget the whole convincing his own followers that don't exist in his world that they're not real and having them commence massive genocide up to extinction of their entire plane of existence, including themselves.
Marche destroyed and entire would and many sentient races while leading a murderous/suicidal cult. And got away with it. Whatever your justifications for him, that has to count for at least something in the villians' recordbooks.
The creation of which destroyed an entire world and most of a sentient race in the first place.
"Whatever your justifications", I quote.
He wanted his world back.
Doesn't mean he didn't destroy another one to accieve that.
I'm not debating his villainous motivations and his sense of self right. He honestly believes he's an infallible hero doing the right thing as he commits heinous acts.
I can't believe the enemies still fade to black instead of having proper death animations.
Lazy Motherfuckers.
Everything else looks good, but it's hard to tell just how much is different. The instant Paradigm Shifts really go a long way to making battles faster.
It looks like they're really committed to making the areas as wide-open as possible.
Also...
Not even close to the most flamboyant outfit in an FF game, but if Chocobo Lady means I don't have to put up with the horrible, horrible shops and upgrade system from the last game, I can deal.
Problem is the shop still has the same interface as the last game's shop, and that instantly conjures up some nasty memories from me.
I almost want to instantly avoid the game because of the reminder. That's how much I hated the last game's shopping/upgrading.
Like, I wish the person in charge would stop being alive.
And I got a good chuckle out of this image, not sure why:
Seriously, why can't this guy be the main character?
It's obvious that he's the real hero of the game, and that Noel and Serah are the ones going around and fucking up things in the timeline.
I want a "Caius Mode" where his purpose is to clean up all their bullshit and sneer at everyone with his Liam O' Brian voice.
FFTA2 is actually pretty enjoyable, from a story perspective. The villain is just kinda there, and the FF IX it pulls at the end is annoying, but it's mostly nice, and doesn't try to take itself too seriously.
FFTA is just... odd. I also hated its "Put a city/area in a blank node on the map" thing.
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No Versus, which is expected and depressing at the same time. That fucking game is never releasing, is it?
At this rate, it'll already be the Swan Song of this generation.
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That's the kind of headline that NeoGAF furiously masturbates to.
But on the upside, it sounds like they really are taking great strides to change their policies. Acquiring feedback from their games as they are developing them, rather than just shut themselves off until said game is finished, is certainly a significant strategy.
Had they done that with FFXIV, it might not have ended up the disaster that it is today.
As for Versus, I'm going to take a guess that they're saving it for E3, making it the game's biggest, content-filled unveiling yet.
Of course that probably also means it won't be out until 2013, which....well it might as well be a PS4 launch title, which it won't be.
Oh my God I hope Square Enix gets better soon.
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Ffxi was every mmo ever.
Ffxii was ragnarok online, .hack, a wide variety of korean mmos or whatever else. The gambit system was at least squares, but it was lifted from the mana series.
Ffxiii was persona, flat out, up to and including mc death = gameover. Paradigm shift was pretty much just hitting the 'change strategy' button in persona because the characters act vastly different based on their strat.
Tweaking existing systems isn't exactly being creative, which is what I am more or less lamenting. Because it seems whenever they do find something good, they then abandon it to try aping something else in a halfassed fashion. How great could xiii been if they just stuck to the damn x-2 system even.
I'm thinking they said versus would be an actiony game? That should be interesting. Type-0 plays like God Eaters so Ill be curious to see what style they copy for versus.
(Also, crystal bearer had a style to it at least. Not one I can offhandedly label as an imitation. I'm curious if anyone knows otherwise.)
As for xiv, I again blame outsourcing. China style mmo all up ins.
So what? Final Fantasy was a clone game from the start.
The whole series is basically "like Dragon Warrior, but something you'd actually want to play".
Holy shit I loved this game as a kid. Wonder if it'll make it over, what with DQMJ2 needing Nintendo to bring it to the west (and even if it comes to the US, will it come to Europe as well? Bloody region locking...)
Regarding that Giantbomb article, seriously? SE never focus-tested shit before? "Previously, the game would finish development and then the team would seek out feedback. This meant most meaningful notes from fans could not be incorporated until the next game, potentially years out."
Then... how did they end up switching the main character in 12 from Basch to Vaan? I've been living a lie this whole time!
Not to be Buzz Killington, but all we know is that an International Version of Type-0 is almost definitely being worked on. International Versions of Squeenix games tend to be ridiculously named, as they barely go anywhere outside of Japan. So.....
But they didn't say international, they said overseas.
Huh. A direct quote would be nice, I guess, but everything I see says "International" except like one sentence in the Andriasang article. Regardless, I'm not going to believe it until I see an official statement because Type-0 looks way too good and I want it to be a sure thing before I get hyped.
And come on, Type-0 was ALWAYS going to get a western release. It's not a Nintendo game we're talking about, it's Square Enix and Final Fantasy. The question was what platform would it come out on. Chances are, as a PSP exclusive, it'll stay on a Sony system, so that means PS3 or Vita. I'm hoping the latter because fuck the people that always whine about portable exclusives and want them ported to consoles.
FFVI is the game I judge not only other FF games by, but every RPG I play. The only other games that I've come close to having as much fun playing are Super Mario RPG (fucking awesome game) and FFVIII.
This is the absolute best part of the game. See how many hunts you can complete without the final level of the sphere grid (which you gain access to once you've beaten the game), I managed 45.
Apparently you never fight that gigantic glowing titan on Gran Pulse. Which is a shame, that fight would be epic.
Or very very short
What I do hate about 13 is the weapon upgrade system in general. I really dont even know what they were thinking with that.
It was in an interview with a french magazine or something? Since Vagrant Story had a 'middle aged' male lead and didn't do so well, they decided 12 wouldn't do well with a middle aged male lead. So they changed it to Vaan.
yeah, because some unknown game made six years previous didn't do so hot, that decided it had to be changed. Oh square.
Management felt players wouldn't be able to identify with Basch, so they forced the developers to shoehorn in a younger male character.
This happened exactly because they did not not playtest their games.
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Actually yeah, what you and Chocobolicious are saying makes a lot of sense - Vaan isn't appealing to anyone. Weird for management to think that considering Auron is a badass.
But one of the nitty gritty questions to ask is: just how much of it is actually true? Does the general japanese market really only prefer the androgynous teeny-bopper, or do they only like it because that's what they're told they like?
do the advanced games continue with that? it all seemed much more cartoonish and kinda turned me off.
Not really, a lot of companies spend millions a year on focus group testing and that can greatly affect changes they make to their products.
That being said I can't say one is superior to the other since focus groups depend on the quality of your focus groups.
Ahaha oh wow. God no. Play Tactics Ogre: LuCT if you want a similar experience (actually you'll get hella deja vu for the first bit, but the endings are very different).
Though I do enjoy the debates we have over whether or not Marche from FFTA is an asshole or not, and I find it the most fun to play out of the FFT games.
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They're running from their problems, from the minor (my hair is awesome) to the serious (I am an unemployed deadbeat/bitch I live in a fucking wheelchair). Plus everyone else related to Mewt has been transformed, like the bullies being zombies (but I think later they're seen as vampires, so I guess it's not all bad). Living in a fantasy world is nice as escapism, but you've got to face reality sometime.
...Or something. I personally think he's an asshole too, so yeah.
I think the lesson we take away from this is that his life was fine, so everyone else can just deal. He should have been in a wheelchair, that would have made a far more interesting moral choice.
Marche destroyed and entire would and many sentient races while leading a murderous/suicidal cult. And got away with it. Whatever your justifications for him, that has to count for at least something in the villians' recordbooks.
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The creation of which destroyed an entire world and most of a sentient race in the first place.
Seriously though Montblanc, what the fuck is wrong with you. I do not understand how someone who thinks "Yeah, let's destroy the pillars supporting this reality, erasing my existence" is a good idea became leader of the most powerful guild in Ivalice (in FFXII).
"Whatever your justifications", I quote.
He wanted his world back.
Doesn't mean he didn't destroy another one to accieve that.
I'm not debating his villainous motivations and his sense of self right. He honestly believes he's an infallible hero doing the right thing as he commits heinous acts.
It's what makes him an interesting character.
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I can't believe the enemies still fade to black instead of having proper death animations.
Lazy Motherfuckers.
Everything else looks good, but it's hard to tell just how much is different. The instant Paradigm Shifts really go a long way to making battles faster.
Also, some new screenshots:
http://www.rpgsite.net/news/1369-new-final-fantasy-xiii2-screenshots-debut-archylte-steppe-and-more
It looks like they're really committed to making the areas as wide-open as possible.
Also...
Not even close to the most flamboyant outfit in an FF game, but if Chocobo Lady means I don't have to put up with the horrible, horrible shops and upgrade system from the last game, I can deal.
Problem is the shop still has the same interface as the last game's shop, and that instantly conjures up some nasty memories from me.
I almost want to instantly avoid the game because of the reminder. That's how much I hated the last game's shopping/upgrading.
Like, I wish the person in charge would stop being alive.
And I got a good chuckle out of this image, not sure why:
Seriously, why can't this guy be the main character?
It's obvious that he's the real hero of the game, and that Noel and Serah are the ones going around and fucking up things in the timeline.
I want a "Caius Mode" where his purpose is to clean up all their bullshit and sneer at everyone with his Liam O' Brian voice.
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To think some poor Red Chocobo was sacrificed to make up this bitch's wardrobe.
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FFTA is just... odd. I also hated its "Put a city/area in a blank node on the map" thing.
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