i'd like to point out that I really dig the new gangplank model rework cause it made it so his critical animation is his pistol, leading to hilarious sequences where you crit someone in the face, shoot parrley, then crit them again so hes like BLAM BLAM BLAM with his flintlock
Jungling does seem to favour getting boots earlier so you can quickly run between camps.
yes you are right. i'm at the point where I almost always get boots of mob when I jungle, not only shaco/eve. i dunno how effective it is but it makes me less annoyed
edit: also, minuteman gangplank still uses old model (but new animations), at least for now, for old school enthusiasts
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
Leona's passive should basically be split in two. Instead of only proccing its damage when an ally hits the opponent, it should have two components; half that Leona herself can proc and half that the ally can proc. This makes her passive actually cool for Leona herself.
Then they add additional numbers to her abilities based either on how many allies or how many enemies are around (or both!).
Now you have a Leona who wants to get in there and hit things with light.
so is counter jungling pointless now? it was one of my favorite things
1) CJing was always overrated unless you were doing it against a slow jungler who desperately needed a particular buff or full first clear.
2) CJing small camps is now irrelevant because you gain little, they lose little, and your own camps should be respawning fast enough anyway.
3) Riot seems to think the health buff on small camps is significant enough to steal. This ain't true at all (especially since most of the damage you take while doing these camps comes from the minion holding the buff).
4) CJing a large buff is still good. Taking their blue means you can donate yours, taking their red hurts their ganking. These are also the only two camps that have any serious experience on them as well, which is nice.
his passive makes him hard to kill = tanking
he can throw people behind him = ganking/initiating
his roar does...something? = ranged stuff
his ulti lets him attack multiple enemies = teamfighter
I except some minor nerfs to the bear based on his kit being incredibly strong.
Yes, they will swap his W and his R.
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basically he's like mundo
he has a regeneration effect (which means relative advantage is accentuated), his main damage move scales off health, his ult scales off ap (I think? I haven't seen any other scaling indications) and he has an autoattack buff
horrible split scaling means he's going to be built super fucking fat
so we're going to see hp stacking volibears, and in order for that damage scaling to make him a threat he will need to be soooo fed (remember his RARGH CLAW ATTACK only scales off bonus hp - so going from one warmogs to 2 is a huge damage increase)
his utility is marginal - he has only the flip and that roar i have no idea about but it doesn't seem to do much damage or slow
the problem for a character like this is he has to be able to survive a top lane because if you jungle him he's not going to be super effective
So new ghost GP looks awesome im not even going to lie. Also haven't been that unimpressed with a spotlight in awhile . Im not saying he looks op or up or anything like that , im saying he doesn't look interesting to me.
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So ya, jungling... anyone able to get it to work yet? I have tried a couple times now and I can NOT even keep up with the bots in lvl/gold and I am 1/2 the lvl of solo laners. I am playing maokai jungler build which is pretty effective, but I still have to go back for pots and healing every once in awhile, which cuts into my jungling a lot. I keep my jungle clear for the most part(except for the few seconds it takes to "b" and run back to the camps).
I have even tried to throw in some ganks, which is hard to do because I am 1-4 lvls behind everyone else on my team by the time I can even try to gank.
with 0% cdr, sivir W at level 5 has a 3 sec cooldown
hellloooo trinity force
Wut? It still can't proc past 1. Don't do that.
uh, so? if wukongs's Q shot off a piece of monkey shit at another random target you wouldn't get trinity force on him? plus, she now has the attack+instant Q burst with sheen, double the chance to proc the slow. I'm pretty sure trinity force is core on her now. at least, for me. I don't bank on bloodthirsters
So ya, jungling... anyone able to get it to work yet? I have tried a couple times now and I can NOT even keep up with the bots in lvl/gold and I am 1/2 the lvl of solo laners. I am playing maokai jungler build which is pretty effective, but I still have to go back for pots and healing every once in awhile, which cuts into my jungling a lot. I keep my jungle clear for the most part(except for the few seconds it takes to "b" and run back to the camps).
I have even tried to throw in some ganks, which is hard to do because I am 1-4 lvls behind everyone else on my team by the time I can even try to gank.
Nothing seems to work.
You aren't supposed to , you see riot wanted aggressive play so they make sure you are farming aggressively in the jungle to catch up. Ganking will not be tolerated!
with 0% cdr, sivir W at level 5 has a 3 sec cooldown
hellloooo trinity force
Wut? It still can't proc past 1. Don't do that.
uh, so? if wukongs's Q shot off a piece of monkey shit at another random target you wouldn't get trinity force on him? plus, she now has the attack+instant Q burst with sheen, double the chance to proc the slow. I'm pretty sure trinity force is core on her now. at least, for me. I don't bank on bloodthirsters
with 0% cdr, sivir W at level 5 has a 3 sec cooldown
hellloooo trinity force
Wut? It still can't proc past 1. Don't do that.
uh, so? if wukongs's Q shot off a piece of monkey shit at another random target you wouldn't get trinity force on him? plus, she now has the attack+instant Q burst with sheen, double the chance to proc the slow. I'm pretty sure trinity force is core on her now. at least, for me. I don't bank on bloodthirsters
K, gl.
try it nerd, it owns
edit: i just played a dom with it so I could just see what it's like to have a trinity force on her
I went legendary, placed first on my team, had something like 1500 points. other sivir built recommended items, and I absolutely fucking trashed her
with 0% cdr, sivir W at level 5 has a 3 sec cooldown
hellloooo trinity force
Wut? It still can't proc past 1. Don't do that.
uh, so? if wukongs's Q shot off a piece of monkey shit at another random target you wouldn't get trinity force on him? plus, she now has the attack+instant Q burst with sheen, double the chance to proc the slow. I'm pretty sure trinity force is core on her now. at least, for me. I don't bank on bloodthirsters
K, gl.
try it nerd, it owns
I don't play ranged ad and when I do the people I'm playing with wish that I didn't.
Hmm, full jungle on riven with a dorans blade. Had to go home after that though, not enough hp for a gank.
Cloth+Soda Malphite never has to leave the jungle. Small camps barely manage to get through his shield. After two full clears, you're at full health with two potions left.
With a pull on blue I ended up at 80% health after a full clear on riven, can go kill wraiths+wolves and then twiddle thumbs (gank or go b).
Oh, my run was in a solo game. Malph could probably jungle naked if someone pulled blue for him.
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edited November 2011
I have done 3 routes with boots/pots Shyvana and I have determined that almost none of your routing matters.
Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths -> Red -> Golems -> Wolves = 3:25
Golems -> Red -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths = 3:25 This is also probably 3:30ish. I started running towards Golems thinking wraiths wouldn't be up in time, but they were so I had to run back from about red camp to Wraiths.
Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Red -> Golems = 3:40 As with all other routes, I could probably have saved some time, but you do spend time waiting at wolf camp to respawn. That might just be a Shyvana problem. I think this might be the safest route, as your smite from blue is off cooldown in time for red.
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yes you are right. i'm at the point where I almost always get boots of mob when I jungle, not only shaco/eve. i dunno how effective it is but it makes me less annoyed
edit: also, minuteman gangplank still uses old model (but new animations), at least for now, for old school enthusiasts
Then they add additional numbers to her abilities based either on how many allies or how many enemies are around (or both!).
Now you have a Leona who wants to get in there and hit things with light.
1) CJing was always overrated unless you were doing it against a slow jungler who desperately needed a particular buff or full first clear.
2) CJing small camps is now irrelevant because you gain little, they lose little, and your own camps should be respawning fast enough anyway.
3) Riot seems to think the health buff on small camps is significant enough to steal. This ain't true at all (especially since most of the damage you take while doing these camps comes from the minion holding the buff).
4) CJing a large buff is still good. Taking their blue means you can donate yours, taking their red hurts their ganking. These are also the only two camps that have any serious experience on them as well, which is nice.
I don't know how good or bad he is, but I love fling effects like singed has
Maybe I will finally learn how to jungle on him! (i said this about trundle and it wasn't true)
but this is purely based on looking at his abilities
he looks pretty weak, ability wise, but it seems like his passive is uh
unbearable
Like "he can throw people and roar, i guess".
I want boots mostly for gankage. A lot of my junglers become a lot more scary with a little extra SPEEEEED.
how is his kit super strong
his abilities make me grown, they aren't weak at all (unless you meant weak as in lame)
that kit could be retardedly op, i just have no experience with seeing it yet
Incredibly boring more like.
that bear bore...
his passive makes him hard to kill = tanking
he can throw people behind him = ganking/initiating
his roar does...something? = ranged stuff
his ulti lets him attack multiple enemies = teamfighter
it's a very good kit.
Yes, they will swap his W and his R.
he has a regeneration effect (which means relative advantage is accentuated), his main damage move scales off health, his ult scales off ap (I think? I haven't seen any other scaling indications) and he has an autoattack buff
horrible split scaling means he's going to be built super fucking fat
so we're going to see hp stacking volibears, and in order for that damage scaling to make him a threat he will need to be soooo fed (remember his RARGH CLAW ATTACK only scales off bonus hp - so going from one warmogs to 2 is a huge damage increase)
his utility is marginal - he has only the flip and that roar i have no idea about but it doesn't seem to do much damage or slow
the problem for a character like this is he has to be able to survive a top lane because if you jungle him he's not going to be super effective
Flip/Roar, dead if flash down.
Boring maybe but that has nothing to do with it's effectivness.
Also welcome to a week of Fizz and Volibear every game. Both sides for blind pick.
He is a mundo/singed hybrid and his main fun point is being a bear with armor. Nothing else in the kit.
hellloooo trinity force
this free week's lineup. o_O
Wut? It still can't proc past 1. Don't do that.
no recommendeds for new players!
I have even tried to throw in some ganks, which is hard to do because I am 1-4 lvls behind everyone else on my team by the time I can even try to gank.
Nothing seems to work.
uh, so? if wukongs's Q shot off a piece of monkey shit at another random target you wouldn't get trinity force on him? plus, she now has the attack+instant Q burst with sheen, double the chance to proc the slow. I'm pretty sure trinity force is core on her now. at least, for me. I don't bank on bloodthirsters
so what, still awesome.
they are all on temp ban now from the free week of wardick. besides they have Yi and Talon to whine in game with now.
You aren't supposed to , you see riot wanted aggressive play so they make sure you are farming aggressively in the jungle to catch up. Ganking will not be tolerated!
K, gl.
sometimes you are out of mana just before the target gets close enough. you're right... it's like sex.
try it nerd, it owns
edit: i just played a dom with it so I could just see what it's like to have a trinity force on her
I went legendary, placed first on my team, had something like 1500 points. other sivir built recommended items, and I absolutely fucking trashed her
I don't play ranged ad and when I do the people I'm playing with wish that I didn't.
Oh, my run was in a solo game. Malph could probably jungle naked if someone pulled blue for him.
Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths -> Red -> Golems -> Wolves = 3:25
Golems -> Red -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths = 3:25 This is also probably 3:30ish. I started running towards Golems thinking wraiths wouldn't be up in time, but they were so I had to run back from about red camp to Wraiths.
Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Red -> Golems = 3:40 As with all other routes, I could probably have saved some time, but you do spend time waiting at wolf camp to respawn. That might just be a Shyvana problem. I think this might be the safest route, as your smite from blue is off cooldown in time for red.