Bill Simmons had a good point about small-market teams overpaying. It's not LA's fault that you're into the luxury tax with a team that can't hold a winning record. If the Pacers can make the playoffs, and still remain far under the salary cap, anyone can do it. You just have to take it upon yourself to remain disciplined with your money.
Now I have even less of a reason to watch NBA this year besides the Pistons likely going to be horrible.
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The thing is, if Stern forces Paul to stay in New Orleans, he loses over $30 million dollars. If he gets traded, he can opt out of his contract and sign with whatever team he's traded to for $100 million (over however long). If he doesn't, he can only sign for $70 million. So he stands to lose a lot of money. That's why he's trying to pursue legal action against the league.
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Yeah but once again Simmons, whom I actually like but disagree with a lot on basketball, fails to show any empathy for small market fans.
It's what Dan Gilbert and the other Overpayers Anonymous owners will never understand. In professional basketball, history trumps everything else. It's not just about playing in Los Angeles. It's about playing for the fucking Lakers. It's about following the footsteps of Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West, Baylor and Shaq. It's about Showtime, Nicholson, the yellow jerseys, the Laker Girls, even that awful Randy Newman song.
Actually, Bill, we all understand. We just don't give a shit about the Lakers history. We're fucking bored of Lakers-Celtics domination and bored of a league content to have ~70% of its teams be irrelevant.
When these idiots complain about a "big market/small market" disparity, it's almost like they never followed the league before they bought their teams. Of course there's a disparity! What kid doesn't grow up wanting to play for the Celtics, Lakers or Knicks?
Such a horseshit argument. Because it's always been this way we have to like it? Oh and at no point does Simmons or has anyone disputed Gilbert's assertion that even if the Lakers were giving up the most it was putting them in the best position to land Howard as well.
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It still should not fall to the NBA to block the trade when they claimed they would not get involved and even appointed someone who was supposed to independently make those decisions. And now Stern's statement says its in the best interest of the Hornets to keep Paul? I don't see how that's true. If it were my team, I'd rather get something for him than have him walk away a free agent and get nothing.
Could this be a thing where the owners had to surrender a CBA bullet point about competitive balance, and Stern is making an example out of a player just because he can?
I think Stern meant it's in the best interest of the NBA for the Hornets to keep Paul. He probably doesn't give two shits about the Hornets.
Ownership is basically trying to send a message to all the top talent that they won't be able to get away with strong arming their current team into dealing them to a big market like Carmelo did to Denver last year.
Not really sure where I stand on it though. On one hand I cannot stand all the midseason trade, is he leaving, is he not bullshit that's been going on for the last few years. On the other hand if you know a guy is going to leave after the season and your team sucks I'd hope you could have the option of moving him for young players.
Basically the NBA is totally fucked.
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The NBA should have compensatory draft picks for teams like New Orleans.
The thing about the Melo trade and the nixed Paul trade is that the team sending the superstar out of town got better in the trade. But they traded that for star power. What Stern is failing to grasp is that the Hornets are going to lose their star power anyways. So now they're not only going to suck but no one will care when they do. If this trade had gone down, atleast they wouldn't have sucked.
Yeah but once again Simmons, whom I actually like but disagree with a lot on basketball, fails to show any empathy for small market fans.
It's what Dan Gilbert and the other Overpayers Anonymous owners will never understand. In professional basketball, history trumps everything else. It's not just about playing in Los Angeles. It's about playing for the fucking Lakers. It's about following the footsteps of Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West, Baylor and Shaq. It's about Showtime, Nicholson, the yellow jerseys, the Laker Girls, even that awful Randy Newman song.
Actually, Bill, we all understand. We just don't give a shit about the Lakers history. We're fucking bored of Lakers-Celtics domination and bored of a league content to have ~70% of its teams be irrelevant.
When these idiots complain about a "big market/small market" disparity, it's almost like they never followed the league before they bought their teams. Of course there's a disparity! What kid doesn't grow up wanting to play for the Celtics, Lakers or Knicks?
Such a horseshit argument. Because it's always been this way we have to like it? Oh and at no point does Simmons or has anyone disputed Gilbert's assertion that even if the Lakers were giving up the most it was putting them in the best position to land Howard as well.
This is all true and it reveals both Simmons' bias and the fact that he can be an asshole. I like what he had to say about the trade making basketball sense and that the league stepping in was a major error in judgement. You're totally right that he'd have written a completely different article if he'd grown up a Bucks fan.
I think the part that frustrates me the most, even without being a Lakers fan (I didn't like giving up as much as we did, but w/e), is that it basically kills the Hornets for the future. There's no way Paul stays in New Orleans, and if the league doesn't let him go, there's no way he'll give 100%. Then, at the end of the year, he'll opt out of his contract, sign with the Lakers or the Knicks, and the Hornets will be left with nothing.
Small market teams have even less of a chance to retain star players now thanks to the NBA's decision. Star players are still going to head to the big market teams, and they'll wait for free agency now because the league offices won't let it happen via trades. In the long run, this hurts small market teams more than it helps them.
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Wilbon just used the term "plantation mentality" referring to the owners of the NBA and was totally serious. I understand the point he's trying to make but it just seems kind of pot stirring to use that sort of language.
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Tyson Chandler is officially a Knick. Billups will be amnestied and might retired if he doesn't get signed by a "desireable" team. David Stern to not allow Billups to retire.
Also, Turiaf is going to be traded, and the Lakers might be interested if they make a new deal to get Paul and it goes through this time.
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Tyson Chandler is now a Knick, along with the rights to 2 recent draft picks that have been playing in Europe (one since '07, and one since '09).
It was a three team sign and trade that sends Andy Rautins to Dallas and Ronny Turiaf to Washington with a 2nd round pick in '13.
Billups has also been designated as their amnesty player. And its said that Mike Bibby is to become a Knick, but Toney Douglas is projected as the starting PG.
the chandler acquisition is a very nice one though
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Yeah, I'd rather Baron Davis, but there's too many wild cards in the amnesty process to have a realistic chance of getting him. Bibby hit 3s well last year, and that's something the Knicks always value.
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Actually, Bill, we all understand. We just don't give a shit about the Lakers history. We're fucking bored of Lakers-Celtics domination and bored of a league content to have ~70% of its teams be irrelevant.
Such a horseshit argument. Because it's always been this way we have to like it? Oh and at no point does Simmons or has anyone disputed Gilbert's assertion that even if the Lakers were giving up the most it was putting them in the best position to land Howard as well.
That sounds realistic.
Ownership is basically trying to send a message to all the top talent that they won't be able to get away with strong arming their current team into dealing them to a big market like Carmelo did to Denver last year.
Not really sure where I stand on it though. On one hand I cannot stand all the midseason trade, is he leaving, is he not bullshit that's been going on for the last few years. On the other hand if you know a guy is going to leave after the season and your team sucks I'd hope you could have the option of moving him for young players.
Basically the NBA is totally fucked.
That be crazy.
Also, Odom didn't report to Lakers camp today.
This is all true and it reveals both Simmons' bias and the fact that he can be an asshole. I like what he had to say about the trade making basketball sense and that the league stepping in was a major error in judgement. You're totally right that he'd have written a completely different article if he'd grown up a Bucks fan.
Small market teams have even less of a chance to retain star players now thanks to the NBA's decision. Star players are still going to head to the big market teams, and they'll wait for free agency now because the league offices won't let it happen via trades. In the long run, this hurts small market teams more than it helps them.
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Also, Turiaf is going to be traded, and the Lakers might be interested if they make a new deal to get Paul and it goes through this time.
EDIT: Obviously I'm just bsing, waiting for the damn deal to be done with.
i love this deal
i also love the baby for brandon bass deal they swung last night
roster is looking better, they're power forward heavy but with west and garnett's knees and the condensed schedule that's not a bad thing
now they need a center
It was a three team sign and trade that sends Andy Rautins to Dallas and Ronny Turiaf to Washington with a 2nd round pick in '13.
Billups has also been designated as their amnesty player. And its said that Mike Bibby is to become a Knick, but Toney Douglas is projected as the starting PG.
bibby is terrible
the chandler acquisition is a very nice one though
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