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Virginia Tech Shooting. Yes. Again.

GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, ProbablyWatertown, WIRegistered User regular
edited December 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
We have another shooting at Virginia Tech, separate from the 2007 shooting. This is happening the same day as the university attempts to appeal a $55,000 fine relating to their response to the shooting in 2007.

Official statement from Virginia Tech, as per this report from WDBJ:
"Shortly after 12 p.m. today, a Virginia Tech Police officer stopped a vehicle on campus during a routine traffic stop in the Coliseum parking lot near McComas Hall

During the traffic stop. the officer was shot and killed. There were witnesses to this shooting.

Witnesses reported to police the shooter fled on foot heading toward the Cage, a parking lot near Duck Pond Drive. At that parking lot, a second person was found. That person is also deceased.

Several law enforcement agencies have responded to assist. Virginia State police has been requested to take lead in the investigation

Status of the shooter is unknown. The campus community should continue to shelter in place and visitors should not come to campus."

The suspect is described as a white male, gray sweat pants, gray hat w/neon green brim, maroon hoodie and backpack.

We'll keep the OP deliberately scarce for now. The suspect, as of this writing, is still at large.

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  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    The scaremongering going on with news broadcasts w/r/t this right now is ridiculous.

  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    Goddamnit.

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  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    Apparently more shots are being heard.

  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    Check to make sure it's not a garbage truck banging around; some people got fooled by that on the police scanner earlier.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Fuck...

    There are probably people on this board that attend VT.

    Stay safe people.

    The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Uh, or maybe don't check and stay hidden / behind cover, if you're on campus.

    Edit: if you're in the area and want to do something, now's as good a time as any to donate blood / plasma to the local blood bank.

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    With Love and Courage
  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    It sounds like a traffic stop shooting that just happened to be near VT, not as much as a person shooting people at VT deliberately.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    There was a robbery in Radford, VA (which is fairly nearby) yesterday and the suspect in that case apparently has a similar description... which could explain why this guy shot a cop at a traffic stop.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    They found someone dead in a parking lot too, Ron. And there's unconfirmed reports of more gunfire.

    With Love and Courage
  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Exams, scheduled for tomorrow, have been postponed. In addition, the rest stop in Radford off I-81 is closed indefinitely, as are any events lanned today by Blacksburg Park and Rec.

    According to VT: "There are no new substantiated reports of suspicious or ciminial activity. Status of the shooter remains unknown."

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    It sounds like a traffic stop shooting that just happened to be near VT, not as much as a person shooting people at VT deliberately.

    Yeah, that's what the description sounds like to me.

  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    Gosling wrote:
    According to VT: "There are no new substantiated reports of suspicious or ciminial activity. Status of the shooter remains unknown."

    As long as the shooter isn't captured stay alert, you never know what he might be planning.

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    Sigh, I'm just worried this will become another story about the failure of the administration to prevent violence and alert/protect the community (a la every remotely unpleasant incident involving the university or its students since April 2007). Having the media blindly toss blame here and there slandering the university because some psychopath happened to be in the area doesn't help much.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    If you recall, the last shooting looked like a cut and dry domestic murder. So people got complacent, and by the end of the day we had a college full of dead bodies.

    Best not to have a repeat of that.

    With Love and Courage
  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote:
    If you recall, the last shooting looked like a cut and dry domestic murder. So people got complacent, and by the end of the day we had a college full of dead bodies.

    Best not to have a repeat of that.

    Oh, I certainly agree.

    There were numerous failures that day regarding the way (or lack of a way) students were alerted.

    Since then however, the university has been borderline annoying (in a good way) to the extent in which they keep students informed and secured in situations like this.

    The media has still taken it upon themselves in several stories since (kidnapped VT campers, kidnapped VT girl from a concert in Charlottesville, guy with a model rocket that was presumed to be a gun) to assert that the university's shortcomings were responsible for each of these incidents... Nevermind that two of them happened 25+ miles from campus.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Dark White wrote:
    The Ender wrote:
    If you recall, the last shooting looked like a cut and dry domestic murder. So people got complacent, and by the end of the day we had a college full of dead bodies.

    Best not to have a repeat of that.

    Oh, I certainly agree.

    There were numerous failures that day regarding the way (or lack of a way) students were alerted.

    Since then however, the university has been borderline annoying (in a good way) to the extent in which they keep students informed and secured in situations like this.

    The media has still taken it upon themselves in several stories since (kidnapped VT campers, kidnapped VT girl from a concert in Charlottesville, guy with a model rocket that was presumed to be a gun) to assert that the university's shortcomings were responsible for each of these incidents... Nevermind that two of them happened 25+ miles from campus.

    Suspect shoots police officer in a traffic stop in a parking lot on Washington Street. Witnesses report suspect fleeing on foot down Washington Street -- meaning he had to abandon his vehicle. At the very next parking lot about three blocks down Washington Street in the direction the suspect was observed fleeing, a deceased gunshot victim is found.

    It's good to be cautious, but my guess is he's in the second victim's car trying to put as much distance between himself and Blacksburg right now.

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular

    Yeah, to be honest it would be pretty unlikely to find anyone other than students in the reported parking lot. Younger students, no less.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2011
    WRIC reporting an "incident" at mile marker 118 on 95 South.

    Unconfirmed it was another firefight, this time with the suspect being injured (E: or killed).

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    News sites are reporting he's dead.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Suspect shoots police officer in a traffic stop in a parking lot on Washington Street. Witnesses report suspect fleeing on foot down Washington Street -- meaning he had to abandon his vehicle. At the very next parking lot about three blocks down Washington Street in the direction the suspect was observed fleeing, a deceased gunshot victim is found.

    It's good to be cautious, but my guess is he's in the second victim's car trying to put as much distance between himself and Blacksburg right now.

    Yes, that's probably an accurate guess, but intuition doesn't always map onto reality.


    Maybe we could go a few days without people blowing other people away?

    That would be nice.

    With Love and Courage
  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Which exit is that near? I just said I expect him to be in the second victim's car putting distance between himself and Blacksburg, but that sounds like that ought to be around an hour or so from Richmond. It's not outside the realm of possibility that it's connected, but it sounds unlikely to me.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    That's like Thornburg... almost Northern VA.

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  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    SammyF wrote:
    Which exit is that near? I just said I expect him to be in the second victim's car putting distance between himself and Blacksburg, but that sounds like that ought to be around an hour or so from Richmond. It's not outside the realm of possibility that it's connected, but it sounds unlikely to me.

    That's the exit on I-81 for Blacksburg.


    Edit: Read 81, not 95... Curiously, Exit 118 is the exit for Blacksburg on I-81, though.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    He definitely had enough time to make it there if he went, like 81 > 66 > 95 or something, but that seems a really odd route.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Yeah, unless when they said 95S they meant 81S

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  • Shepard2000Shepard2000 Registered User regular
    News is reporting that the 2nd "victim" is actually the shooter.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Yeah, no, it's I-95... they said Caroline County.

    Possibly unrelated.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    msnbc.com wrote:
    Updated at 4:31 p.m. ET: The Collegiate Times reports that there is now "no active threat" at Virginia Tech and that students are being allowed to "resume normal activities."

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    News is reporting that the 2nd "victim" is actually the shooter.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech

    o.O

    ...Uh, okay.

    So who killed the shooter, then? Unless they shot themselves, I guess.

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  • Shepard2000Shepard2000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    I think the implication is that he offed himself, or else they wouldn't lift the alert. Although I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility a "hero" shot the shooter, but I don't think that's likely.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    They're reporting a weapon found with the second victim... possibly the shooter's.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    News is reporting that the 2nd "victim" is actually the shooter.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech

    Interesting. Like I said, it's good to be cautious, but if that's what happened then I'm not sure why that would have taken four hours to verify. The two locations were about 700 feet apart and there were supposedly multiple witnesses at the primary location who should have been able to identify the clothing on the suspect at the secondary location.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Police are confident situation is under control.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Crime scene investigators are processing scenes right now.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Police officer was four year veteran. Assigned to patrol division.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Va state police investigating the deaths.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Since incident no reports of any threats to campus. Have investigated numerous calls of suspicous activity. None have been founded.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    VT police- at one pm officer observed suspicious suspect near duck pond road and found him dead from a gunshot wound.
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    Nate Eaton - 8News
    VT police - officer shot during traffic stop near coliseum lot. Subject approached officer and fired weapon turnleft scene.
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  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    SammyF wrote:
    News is reporting that the 2nd "victim" is actually the shooter.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech

    Interesting. Like I said, it's good to be cautious, but if that's what happened then I'm not sure why that would have taken four hours to verify. The two locations were about 700 feet apart and there were supposedly multiple witnesses at the primary location who should have been able to identify the clothing on the suspect at the secondary location.

    Well, a maroon hoodie and gray sweatpants are pretty much standard attire for males in December there.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Holy shit:
    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Police say the officer stopped someone and a third party not involved in the stop walked up and shot the officer.
    Like · · Share · 2 minutes ago via mobile ·

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote:
    Holy shit:
    Nate Eaton - 8News
    Police say the officer stopped someone and a third party not involved in the stop walked up and shot the officer.
    Like · · Share · 2 minutes ago via mobile ·

    Yeah the bit from your penultimate post about "Subject approached officer and fired weapon turnleft scene" had me scratching my head. An officer approaches the subject of a traffic stop, not the other way around.

    This is going to take a few days to figure out.

  • Dark WhiteDark White Registered User regular
    What was the most confusing press conference...

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