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Pyramid schemes

OhioOhio Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So my brother-in-law sent my wife (and me) a link to a website for a brand new pyramid scheme. At least I think it's a pyramid scheme, but I want to be sure. He has, I believe, been involved in pyramid schemes before (mass mailings, etc.) so I am not too surprised if this is one. The website actually looks pretty professional, and it has like 90 minutes worth of videos explaining how it works, which I don't feel like watching (at this point).

From what I can tell, this "business" has something to do with buying and selling real estate.

Anyway, his description, more or less:

1. $300 to start, with nothing more to buy ever.
2. You just have to get 2 people to sign up under you to start collecting money and then get 7 more within 10 months and then you never have to get anyone else.
3. It is a good opportunity because so few people are involved right now.
4. The good thing also is that everyone above you will help you succeed,
because if you do well so does everyone else.
5. He said that if we don't get our money back, he will personally repay us out of his own pocket (which doesn't interest or sway me).

Anyway, here's the website for this thing: http://networthopportunity.com/

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Looks like a scam to me. =/

    -Really, the site doesn't look all that professional to me, lousy .jpg pictures, Times New Roman font and sloppy colourwork.

    -There are no signs of copyrights anywhere

    -The whole site screams "DO YOU WANT TO BE HAPPY?? GIVE US 300$!!!"

    If you like to throw money away, at least throw it at something worthwhile.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If you have $300 to spare and don't ever really need it to be paid back and have some gullible friends or know some suckers who'll do the same, then why not, but stuff like this usually ends up bad, especially when family is involved. I think you'd probably be better off buying $300 worth of lottery tickets though or going to casino and betting it all on one hand of Black Jack of spin of roulette.

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    Personally I'd only do it if the scheme had a cool name like the Minnessota Land Bang or something.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

    Just at a glance (I have no sound, so watching the videos is out), I can't see anything indicating what you are supposed to be DOING other than getting other people to sign up. That's a BIG red flag right there. If you don't know more than "something to do with buying and selling real estate", ESPECIALLY if the person trying to get you involved can't tell you more than that, I would say it's something you don't want to be involved in.

    Also, their "professional" web site seems to have some grammar problems
    Hard-Core Skeptic's.
    If they're making so much money, they ought to be able to hire someone to proofread the damn web site. :P

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  • OhioOhio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    You're right, I shouldn't have said the website looks professional, because it really doesn't.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited February 2007
    It's a pyramid scheme. It's not even like a different sort of one. It's very standard. Don't do it. Tell him he's an idiot.

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  • unilateralunilateral Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    ha. Somebody called one of my roommates offering him a job. When he called back, it turned out to be this pyramid scheme. So, we call him back, and put him on speaker phone. I'll highlight the conversation

    Roommate: "Well, right now, I only have about $10,000 to be investing in things like this...."
    Dude: <sharp intake of air> Thats probably enough for you to be successful here.

    Roommate: "Now, tell me, what exactly is this?"
    Dude: "Anything you want it to be"

    Thats the funniest parts because my roommate insists on being nice to everyone all the time.

    But yeah, definetely a pyramid scheme.

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  • OhioOhio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    unilateral wrote: »
    ha. Somebody called one of my roommates offering him a job. When he called back, it turned out to be this pyramid scheme. So, we call him back, and put him on speaker phone. I'll highlight the conversation

    Roommate: "Well, right now, I only have about $10,000 to be investing in things like this...."
    Dude: <sharp intake of air> Thats probably enough for you to be successful here.

    Roommate: "Now, tell me, what exactly is this?"
    Dude: "Anything you want it to be"

    Thats the funniest parts because my roommate insists on being nice to everyone all the time.

    But yeah, definetely a pyramid scheme.

    Wow, it was this pyramid scheme in particular?

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  • unilateralunilateral Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ohio wrote: »
    unilateral wrote: »
    ha. Somebody called one of my roommates offering him a job. When he called back, it turned out to be this pyramid scheme. So, we call him back, and put him on speaker phone. I'll highlight the conversation

    Roommate: "Well, right now, I only have about $10,000 to be investing in things like this...."
    Dude: <sharp intake of air> Thats probably enough for you to be successful here.

    Roommate: "Now, tell me, what exactly is this?"
    Dude: "Anything you want it to be"

    Thats the funniest parts because my roommate insists on being nice to everyone all the time.

    But yeah, definetely a pyramid scheme.

    Wow, it was this pyramid scheme in particular?

    Not this one particularly, but you had to invest $300 initially and it had a presentation on the website like this one does. Ours was called Prosumer.

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I don't know about the site and the scheme but it's not professional at all, it's all just a bunch of tables and pictures, it could be done in 2 hours.

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  • WerewulfyWerewulfy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    "2. You just have to get 2 people to sign up under you to start collecting money and then get 7 more within 10 months and then you never have to get anyone else."


    This is almost the definition of a pyramid scheme, isn't it?

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Whenever someone comes to you and says the words, "Are you keeping your business options open?"

    Run like fucking hell because it's a pyramid scheme. These one dudes tried to lie to me and say their company grossed more income than eBay... yea, really? How come I never heard of it!?

    Pyramid schemes obviously only benefit those at the top and most likely you won't even get that $300 back. Run away... FAR away!

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    If it sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Werewulfy wrote: »
    "2. You just have to get 2 people to sign up under you to start collecting money and then get 7 more within 10 months and then you never have to get anyone else."


    This is the definition of a pyramid scheme

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Pyramid schemes obviously only benefit those at the top and most likely you won't even get that $300 back. Run away... FAR away!

    Just out of curiosity, what if you were one of those guys at the top? Wouldn't you make a fuckton of money?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not anybody has ever heard of someone getting into a pyramid scheme at the right time and making out like a bandit.

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  • Filler Inc.Filler Inc. Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Good rule of thumb, if you even feel the need to ask if its a pyramid scheme, it's a pyramid scheme.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    This stinks of pyramid scheme.

    Yes, you can make a lot of money from a pyramid scheme IF you are the one right at the top, but you need to be at the very, very top. one or two steps down and you're lucky if you get anything back at all. In all likelihood, you're only going to be far enough up the pyramid to be one of a few hundred thousand suckers that looses their investment, no matter how 'good an opportunity' your brother-in-law claims it to be.

    Which is generally academic, because pyramid schemes are fraudulent and illegal, so if you do make any money it's by exploiting others and you'll probably lose it all when the FBI seize your assets anyway.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm going to make an Obelisk Scheme - each person only needs one person below them.

    And, since I'm at the top, I obviously get to shoot lasers.

    (Sorry, C&C3 Demo)

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  • EtchEtch Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sarcastro wrote: »
    Pyramid schemes obviously only benefit those at the top and most likely you won't even get that $300 back. Run away... FAR away!

    Just out of curiosity, what if you were one of those guys at the top? Wouldn't you make a fuckton of money?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not anybody has ever heard of someone getting into a pyramid scheme at the right time and making out like a bandit.

    My uncle got into one of these kinda early and gets a couple hundred a month. But his case was different because they were selling vitamins and shit, which he buys anyway. So he basically gets some cash off of his purchase.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Backtracking the domain registration deadends at a firm in Scotsdale, Arizona, which specializes in hiding the actual DNS holder from public DNS records.

    I'm 99% sure that participating in this scheme would get you a max of 1-3 years in a federal prison if it were in Canada.

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  • OhioOhio Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ruckus wrote: »
    Backtracking the domain registration deadends at a firm in Scotsdale, Arizona, which specializes in hiding the actual DNS holder from public DNS records.

    I'm 99% sure that participating in this scheme would get you a max of 1-3 years in a federal prison if it were in Canada.

    Wow, can you explain this a bit further. Maybe I'm the one who needs to be giving my brother-in-law some advice here.

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  • NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Ohio wrote: »
    1. $300 to start

    You never need to go any further than that part. Ever. As soon as they ask for money, yeah, they're scamming.

    The obelisk scheme sounds brilliant though. Especially the laser part.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The RCMP page on Pyramid Schemes

    And the applicable law is under the Canadian Competition Act (C-34) Paragraph 55.1, and an exerpt from the code.
    Offence and punishment

    (3) Any person who contravenes subsection (2) is guilty of an offence and liable
    (a) on conviction on indictment, to a fine in the discretion of the court or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both; or

    (b) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding $200,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both.

    so obviously I made a mistake in my original 1-3 years prison estimate.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sarcastro wrote: »
    Pyramid schemes obviously only benefit those at the top and most likely you won't even get that $300 back. Run away... FAR away!

    Just out of curiosity, what if you were one of those guys at the top? Wouldn't you make a fuckton of money?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not anybody has ever heard of someone getting into a pyramid scheme at the right time and making out like a bandit.


    Yea, people at the top of the good ones rank in fucking millions. I'm talking early retirement at the age of 30 type of money. It's only a scam to those at the lower level. The people at the top are the smart ones. I don't hate them, just the monkeys who don't understand how it works and why someone wouldn't want to be a bottom guy feeding the top guy even more money.

    It kind of reminds me of drug trafficking in a way. You got the pawns on the streets who sell the drugs who get there little share, while the top supplier in country X gets a shit load of cash due to the pawns selling and getting their little insignificant cut.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    If it sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

    When I was on my way to work today, I heard a commercial for one of those "make money buying and selling items through E-bay that you never have to store, touch or pay for!" companies. My wife and I are looking to buy a house soon, and we'll probably have a kid soon, so extra money would be nice. For just a minute, I thought to myself, "Well, that sounds like a great way to make some extra cash. I should call tonight."

    Then I smacked myself. Chalk it up to lack of sleep and caffeine.

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  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    There was a pyramid scheme that recruited at my former university. It was a book selling scam over the summer, and a few of my friends went to check it out and see if it was legit. Halfway through they realized it was a pyramid scheme and tried to leave, but the guys had shut off the elevator so they couldn't leave.

    They went down about 20 flights of stairs just to get away from the creepy corporation men, scared shitless.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    There was a pyramid scheme that recruited at my former university. It was a book selling scam over the summer, and a few of my friends went to check it out and see if it was legit. Halfway through they realized it was a pyramid scheme and tried to leave, but the guys had shut off the elevator so they couldn't leave.

    They went down about 20 flights of stairs just to get away from the creepy corporation men, scared shitless.


    Wow! This one dude shook my hand for like 5+ minutes so I would have to listen to what he had to say about his oh so great scheme.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    that's creepy as hell.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    So guys, I've got this great business opportunity. If you all just pop £150 in the post to me and then convince a load of people to do the same to you, you'll soon be rich enough to quit work.

    Trust me, it works! My uncle did it!

    Just pm me for details and a shoddily designed website that'll convince you to go ahead!

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Wow! This one dude shook my hand for like 5+ minutes so I would have to listen to what he had to say about his oh so great scheme.
    That's when you use the emergency escape handshake (EEH):

    While they're shaking your hand, you start rubbing their hand or wrist with your finger with just a nice, light stoke.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Wow! This one dude shook my hand for like 5+ minutes so I would have to listen to what he had to say about his oh so great scheme.
    That's when you use the emergency escape handshake (EEH):

    While they're shaking your hand, you start rubbing their hand or wrist with your finger with just a nice, light stoke.

    Why not just pull in for the kiss?

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  • WalterWalter Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Didn't read the first page so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but at my university there are flyers all over the place for envelope stuffing schemes. They claim you can make upwards of $20 dollars an hour stuffing envelopes for a company. Problem is, the envelopes you're stuffing are junk mail saying "Stuff envelopes in your free time to make $$$!" and you only get a commission based off how many people sign up from the envelopes you sent. Its like a pyramid scam but you make less and put in much more manual labor.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Walter wrote: »
    Didn't read the first page so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but at my university there are flyers all over the place for envelope stuffing schemes. They claim you can make upwards of $20 dollars an hour stuffing envelopes for a company. Problem is, the envelopes you're stuffing are junk mail saying "Stuff envelopes in your free time to make $$$!" and you only get a commission based off how many people sign up from the envelopes you sent. Its like a pyramid scam but you make less and put in much more manual labor.

    I've seen those! I always wanted to call to see what kind of bullshit they were pulling, but didn't. Now there's this new thing around town. There are flyers everywhere saying "Real Estate Apprentice wanted! Earn up to $20,000 a month!"

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    oh, so THAT's what those envelope-jobs are. Ha! I seem those all the time in my local newspaper.

    How do people get away with posting those up, though?

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