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Kindle for the Good Woman

MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNARochester, MNRegistered User regular
edited December 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm planning on getting a Kindle for my live-in girlfriend (we've been together for almost three years, positive, healthy relationship) because she loves to read is constantly buying books, etc. I think she'd really like it.

Any thoughts on what Kindle is superior? I don't have the money for the Fire or the DX so my options are basically the Kindle with Offers, Kindle Touch, Kindle without Offers.

I've heard from a lot of people that the 'offers' have actually essentially paid for the Kindle itself over time, other people think it's awful.

Any thoughts to which is superior?

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    The combination of touch controls and the e-ink "whole-screen-refresh" style of page turning seems a little strange to me and I personally would prefer the standard non-touch kindle, but I'm sure it's more a matter of taste than anything else. If it helps, here are tested.com's two quicklooks of the devices:

    http://www.tested.com/quick-look-at-the-amazon-kindle-touch-3g/47-622/
    http://www.tested.com/quick-look-at-the-amazon-kindle-4th-generation/47-547/

  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    Cool idea for a gift. The good news is that if she enjoys classical literature she can get a ton of use out of a Kindle before she spends a dime since public domain text is available for free.

    I'd probably go with the Kindle without special offers. A friend of mine likes them because over time he's gotten a lot of discounts on Amazon gift certificates, but if you have to spend money to save money, what's the point?

    I'd go for the Touch if you think your lady might want to use it for music or audiobooks at some point. If she's into reading, she might dig OTR, and a Touch would allow her to carry that around as well.

  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    The touch has twice the battery life and twice the storage space.
    Also you can apparently pay the price difference to remove the ads.

  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    From what I hear, the ads aren't invasive or anything. I'm under the impression that they mostly just show up as screen savers and stuff and don't pop up when you're reading or anything.

  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    i feel like the 3rd generation one or whichever one is the black with the small keyboard is probably the best. at this point the price is pretty cheap compared to the newer ones, but they all get the same system with regards to epub stuff lending.

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User regular
    If she is an Amazon user, I don't know why you wouldn't get the Special Offers.

  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    mts wrote:
    i feel like the 3rd generation one or whichever one is the black with the small keyboard is probably the best. at this point the price is pretty cheap compared to the newer ones, but they all get the same system with regards to epub stuff lending.

    Wait, what? It's the same price as the new ones unless you get a used one.

  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    corky842 wrote:
    The touch has twice the battery life and twice the storage space.
    Also you can apparently pay the price difference to remove the ads.

    I'd try to go over to a Best Buy/etc and play with the different versions... for some reason, I really didn't like the Touch - I found it much less responsive than even something like my phone, and thus it wasn't worth spending more to have something more annoying. Since it's just a book reader, and not really a multimedia device, unless you (i.e., she) will actually like the touch controls I don't think it really takes away from the book-reading experience to have the basic 'next page/previous page' buttons and that's it.

    I wound up buying one of the keyboard ones recently, but that was because it was on sale for the cost of the base model... I didn't really think there was a huge difference between any of them, though (obviously if being able to buy things over 3G is an advantage then that's a good idea, but as my gf is just going to use it around the apartment there wasn't much point in 3G over wifi)

  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    The special offers are not intrusive, they are the screensavers and a small banner on the menu. They are not visible while reading. Also, if she doesn't like having them you can now pay the $30 difference at a later date and turn them off. The kindle 4 (no keyboard) has about a 15 hour battery life and if she wants to put her books into catagories or make notes she will need to navigate the on screen keyboard with the d pad. The kindle 3 (keyboard) has a 30 hour battery life and is slightly bigger to accommodate a keyboard so if she carries a small purse it may not fit as well. The touch has a 30 hour battery life as well, I've not used it but I've read the screen is a bit sensitive so accidental page turns happen more frequently.

    All battery life estimates are with 3g and wifi disabled.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    Just because I prefer the Nook over the Kindle, I have to point out that the Nook Simple Touch is considered superior to the Kindle Touch by CNET, Engadget, and Gizmodo, and it costs the same as the Kindle Touch with offers without any advertising.

    If you live near a Barnes and Noble, the free in store support is a great value.

  • KillgrimageKillgrimage Registered User regular
    I have a kindle! I have a bare bones (with keyboard) version with ads. I hate ads, but I don't find these ones intrusive at all (in fact, I have seen a few that I like and taken advantage of them!). My husband surprised me with it for my birthday, so I don't have any cool comparative research that I did beforehand. I just know that it works, it works great for what I want (reading, simple word games, rudimentary web browser for occasional use, and a couple books on mp3) and the battery life is pretty incredible for someone used to plugging in their smartphone every night. I feel like I never have to charge the thing. Also, if you are like me and dislike having to buy your books every time, you an use your kindle with the library system now (at least in MA) since kindle has teamed up with overdrive. And you can loan/borrow books from other kindle users.

    I'm not sure how your gf is, but I don't need all the extra touch/3G/whatever stuff. I have my phone for that. I want to be able to read comfortably, and that's exactly what this device does.

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Just because I prefer the Nook over the Kindle, I have to point out that the Nook Simple Touch is considered superior to the Kindle Touch by CNET, Engadget, and Gizmodo, and it costs the same as the Kindle Touch with offers without any advertising.

    If you live near a Barnes and Noble, the free in store support is a great value.

    Didn't Barnes and Noble just declare bankruptcy and close a ton of locations?

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    that was borders

  • zucchinizucchini robothero pretty much amazingRegistered User regular
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    If she is an Amazon user, I don't know why you wouldn't get the Special Offers.

    Pretty much this. The offers are totally worth it.

  • ImriayldeImriaylde Registered User regular
    I have a Kindle Touch 3G with ads, and I love it a lot. I just got it a week and a half ago, so it's still very shiny and new, but it's fantastic. No eye strain, and it's light and easy to hold. The ads aren't obtrusive at all.

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote:
    I'm planning on getting a Kindle for my live-in girlfriend (we've been together for almost three years, positive, healthy relationship) because she loves to read is constantly buying books, etc. I think she'd really like it.

    You should break up with--whoops, force of habit.

    The Nook Simple Touch seems generally better regarded than the Kindle Touch, which has input lag issues. But if the classic is what you're looking at the Kindle seems universally loved.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    We have a Kindle Touch with ads. We love it. The touch interface is excellent (although there is input lag, as noted above, but this is expected on an e-Ink screen). It's more intuitive than turning pages with buttons, in my opinion, and you can touch words and look them up immediately in the built-in dictionary (one of my girlfriend's favorite features). The ads are pretty unobtrusive (about the same as Google text ads).

    Whatever you end up getting, be sure to check out www.ereaderiq.com. It keeps track of deals and has an up to date list of free books available for whatever e-reader your heart desires.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    My only complaint about the ads is that I miss the author pictures on the lock screen. Other than that, they're pretty good -- my kindle isn't even the special offers kindle, and I still turned them on.

    I do prefer the keyboard model to the others. I don't use the keyboard at all, but it gives a good place to hold the thing. It also feels a little better constructed than the newer models, though that could just be my imagination.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote:
    Just because I prefer the Nook over the Kindle, I have to point out that the Nook Simple Touch is considered superior to the Kindle Touch by CNET, Engadget, and Gizmodo, and it costs the same as the Kindle Touch with offers without any advertising.

    If you live near a Barnes and Noble, the free in store support is a great value.

    Didn't Barnes and Noble just declare bankruptcy and close a ton of locations?

    Nope, you're thinking of Borders.

  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    Yay, good present choice! I'm a total Luddite about books, but my mum bought me a Kindle last Christmas, and I love it. I still have books though - from charity (Goodwill?) shops rather than new, but its just brilliant being able to take such a small light thing with me when I go away. We bought mine off Amazon refurbished, and I got a 3G one for the same price as the cheaper one last year. Mine doesn't have adverts, just the author page thingy. I love it.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    mmm I have one of the 3rd gen kindles (with the keyboard and wifi not 3g) and I loves it. love love love.

    I think with the public domain stuff I picked up at least 200 books before I even spent any money. And amazon support is amazing. I originally got an unlighted cover for my kindle, but there was some sort of issue with the contacts or something and it was causing the kindle to reboot. So i called them about it, they sent me out a lighted cover free of charge, and i got gift certificates too.

    It has been absolutely brilliant. And now that I'm in new Zealand, I see books that I want and I go to the bookstore and they're prohibitively expensive, but I can get them for at least 60% less on Kindle... I just can't see the logic in not getting the kindle copy (although cookbooks are items that just do not work on Kindle, and some reference type books with lots of footnotes are also rather difficult because flipping back and forth is just not simple).

    In closing, LOVE IT. But I have no idea what this 'special offers' thing you guys are talking about?

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote:
    We have a Kindle Touch with ads. We love it. The touch interface is excellent (although there is input lag, as noted above, but this is expected on an e-Ink screen). It's more intuitive than turning pages with buttons, in my opinion, and you can touch words and look them up immediately in the built-in dictionary (one of my girlfriend's favorite features). The ads are pretty unobtrusive (about the same as Google text ads).

    Whatever you end up getting, be sure to check out www.ereaderiq.com. It keeps track of deals and has an up to date list of free books available for whatever e-reader your heart desires.

    Can anyone confirm whether or not you are able to do the immediate dictionary look up option for words with the non-Kindle Touch? That is a feature that she would absolutely, absolutely, love.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    corky842 wrote:
    mts wrote:
    i feel like the 3rd generation one or whichever one is the black with the small keyboard is probably the best. at this point the price is pretty cheap compared to the newer ones, but they all get the same system with regards to epub stuff lending.

    Wait, what? It's the same price as the new ones unless you get a used one.
    isn't there version with offers on it thats cheaper? i thought it was still cheaper than teh new ones. but am usually wrong about these things

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  • QuantumTurkQuantumTurk Registered User regular
    So, I have the Kindle Keyboard 3G, no ads, and I love it. The dictionary is great. I have played with a friends kindle keyboard with the ads. If you won't mind or might like the ads, I say it's a good deal. I personally get bugged by ads, and prefer that my screensaver is a portrait of Twain rather than a picture of fried chicken (actual example). That is really down to personal tics though.
    Also get a black one unless she REALLY wants the white one, they get dingy pretty quickly.

    No matter which one you get, look at project Gutenberg for free out of copy-write books for it, you can get a TON of classics this way.

    Also, if you plan to view .pdf's on it...make sure they are formatted for it, it was pretty much the worst way to try and read scientific articles I ever found.

  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote:
    Hahnsoo1 wrote:
    We have a Kindle Touch with ads. We love it. The touch interface is excellent (although there is input lag, as noted above, but this is expected on an e-Ink screen). It's more intuitive than turning pages with buttons, in my opinion, and you can touch words and look them up immediately in the built-in dictionary (one of my girlfriend's favorite features). The ads are pretty unobtrusive (about the same as Google text ads).

    Whatever you end up getting, be sure to check out www.ereaderiq.com. It keeps track of deals and has an up to date list of free books available for whatever e-reader your heart desires.

    Can anyone confirm whether or not you are able to do the immediate dictionary look up option for words with the non-Kindle Touch? That is a feature that she would absolutely, absolutely, love.

    You can use the dictionary feature on the kindle keyboard, absolutely. The only "issue" with it is that you have to navigate to the word with the D pad. If your word is in the middle of a sentence 3/4 of the way down the page it can feel cumbersome.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    All right. Kindle Touch with Offers since she amazon's regularly and we can decide about paying $40 later to get rid of the offers.

    This can be locked, I think.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    So, I have the Kindle Keyboard 3G,

    How is the web browsing over 3G?

    I've been thinking of picking one up for reading, but having the ability to hit Wikipedia or something while I am away from wifi sounds nice.

  • CroakerBCCroakerBC TorontoRegistered User regular
    Having picked up a 3G Touch about a week ago, a few impressions:

    1. It's surprisingly light - You can hold it up easily with one hand for some time, and use a thumb to turn the pages, if you need to.

    2. It really does fit into the back pocket of your jeans. Well, my jeans anyway. Obviously I need to lose some weight.

    3. On special offers:
    a) The ad that appears on the Home screen from time to time is so small I actually just had to check if it was where I thought it was. Does a horizontal banner across the width of the kindle, maybe 5%-10% of the total height. Usually just clicking through on my way to a book/the Kindle store anyway.
    b) I know someone upthread hates them, but I could care less about the screensaver ads. Mostly because the screensaver only comes on when I'm not using the device, so I'm unlikely to see it. Well worth the $50 saving, to me anyway. Might be different if you could pick your own screensaver..but on the othe rhand, I already used one of the 'Special Offers' so maybe not.
    c) I really, really thought I'd hate the ads, and justified having them by knowing I could pay the money to turn them off at any time. Probably won't bother now.

    4. 3g: The Touch only lets you browse wikipedia and the Kindle store using the 3g. You can access pretty much everything else using the wireless. This is a bit of a downshift from the previous version, which let you use 3g for everything...but honestly, you probably don't want to The browser is tagged as experimental, and is (to me anyway) extremely imperformant. The lack of colour is also a problem - think lots and lots of greyscale. Good if you need to use it I suppose, but you'd probably be better using a smartphone browser or something.

    That said, the 3g has proved its worth for me, because it's meant I haven't had to connect to the hotel wifi to buy books on the fly. On balance, I'm iffy on if I'd spend the $50 it cost to get the 3g, but given I offset it with Special Offers (which turned out to be no hardship), I think yes.

    The touch controls are actually very responsive. I have overclicked a few times and missed a few pages, but might do that with a button too. The e-ink takes a few pages to 'warm up' sometimes, but the response rate is actually very good, an almost instant refresh after a page or two.

    Finally, the fact that the device saves the last page you were on in each book you are reading has removed one of the minor chores from my life - I no longer need to remember the page numbers.

    Overall, I'd say go for the 3g, and get the special offers - I preferred the Touch over the Keyboard personally, but that's something you may want to try out for yourself (note: the demo Touch I tried in Best Buy had a terrible response rate and almost put me off the purchase..I have no idea what was going on there).

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Croaker, thanks for all of that info. It really solidifies my option to get her the Kindle Touch.

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  • CroakerBCCroakerBC TorontoRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote:
    Croaker, thanks for all of that info. It really solidifies my option to get her the Kindle Touch.

    No worries dude. I'm liking mine.

    For what it's worth, the brief decision tree is "Get the 3g, because you can't change your mind and get it later if you just get the wi-fi, and get the special offers, because if you don't like them later, you can always remove them and be no worse off"

    Like I say, it might be worth going over to <big box electronics store of choice> and playing around with the various variants, see which works for you in a hands-on way, and which will work best for her. Some people really do like the Keyboard, but the lack of hard buttons hasn't been an issue for me.

  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    I know this isn't advice on buying the device, but since you already decided which one you want I thought I'd take a moment to remind you (or tell you for the first time) that Project Gutenberg has a ton of free, legal out of copyright books formatted for the Kindle that you can download. Also, Amazon has a section for free books on the Kindle library page. And if you're prime members then Amazon had started the Kindle Lending Library, one book borrowed a month. And don't forget the public library loans for the Kindle!

    Also, if you get yourself a Kindle at some point and you register it to the same account you can both share all the content purchased with that account. My husband and I love that feature. I believe that the Touch will play Audible books as well as normal Kindle titles, I know that the Kindle Keyboard plays Audible files.

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  • CroakerBCCroakerBC TorontoRegistered User regular
    Elin wrote:

    Also, if you get yourself a Kindle at some point and you register it to the same account you can both share all the content purchased with that account. My husband and I love that feature. I believe that the Touch will play Audible books as well as normal Kindle titles, I know that the Kindle Keyboard plays Audible files.

    It does indeed play back Audible; I totally forgot about that. Even has a headphone jack.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    When I tried out the Kindle Touch in store, I found the touch screen quite clunky and unresponsive - and could see myself hitting page turn accidentally.

    Have had nothing but good experiences with my Kindle 3 Keyboard.

  • QuantumTurkQuantumTurk Registered User regular
    So, I have the Kindle Keyboard 3G,

    How is the web browsing over 3G?

    I've been thinking of picking one up for reading, but having the ability to hit Wikipedia or something while I am away from wifi sounds nice.

    So honestly, I do NOT like the web browsing much in general on it. But I think this is far more related to it being e-ink than anything else. It has been handy for Wikipedia, but once I switched to a phone of moderate intelligence (it can handle gps and wiki mobile...sometimes) I stopped using the kindle for that. But the speeds are ok, just remember nothing moving, no flash, pandora is not going to work etc. I would not advocate it as an internet browsing device.

  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    I've had a Kindle for years, and use it heavily. I have 80+ books on mine, mostly weighty scifi stuff that runs 500+ pages, and I've never deleted anything. It has ~1.4gb of space off the factory floor and as of today I have something like 1.2gb free.

    So, yeah. Storage space doesn't matter.

  • JHunzJHunz Registered User regular
    zilo wrote:
    I've had a Kindle for years, and use it heavily. I have 80+ books on mine, mostly weighty scifi stuff that runs 500+ pages, and I've never deleted anything. It has ~1.4gb of space off the factory floor and as of today I have something like 1.2gb free.

    So, yeah. Storage space doesn't matter.
    I'm guessing it matters a lot if you're into audiobooks, but I can't imagine it's a big deal otherwise.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    I'd definitely go with the one with 3G and a keyboard. I often touch the screen while holding the kindle and wouldn't want to accidentally be telling it to do stuff.

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