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[SW:TOR] Tanks like spanking.

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  • EchoEcho Where da waaagh at? Moderator mod
    What kind of health does a level 50 tank have, just for perspective? Pondering how effective that +3% endurance talent really is - the base value is 1 endurance = 10 health, +3% on that makes each point of endurance worth 10.3 health.

    If we just assume 1,000 endurance = 10,000 health, that talent gives an extra 300 health.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    The endurance talents are terrible.

  • EchoEcho Where da waaagh at? Moderator mod
    shelak wrote:
    High mobility ? Remember that in WoW you could force ranged into melee, here you can't.

    Shadows/Assassins have a "GET OVER HERE" force pull.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Echo wrote:
    shelak wrote:
    High mobility ? Remember that in WoW you could force ranged into melee, here you can't.

    Shadows/Assassins have a "GET OVER HERE" force pull.

    As do bounty hunters/troopers, and the tank specs can spec into a charge.

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  • shelakshelak Registered User
    edited December 2011
    Yeah, but you don't have any as a JK. That was the comparison being done; Wow warrior - Jedi guardian.

    They gave Shadows force pull and guardians force push :(

    Don't get me wrong, i loved my SW and my JK, but i don't find them currently on par with ranged tanks or other melee in any way or shape. I will play one with no expectations of it getting any better soon, nonetheless.

    My second char will be a trooper tank for sure.

    EDIT:

    One note about Force Leap. Afaik, it has a fixed animation duration thus talents like Force Clap (2 sec stun) or Stagger (+1sec root), which apply as soon as you leap, will only give you a marginal benefit once you land. Plus they both apply at the same time, stun and root.

    You get something like ~0.5 secs out of the stun and ~1 sec out of the root for yourself.

    Also, I remember these droids that would do an AoE skill that make me land a few feet away from them. Maybe it was AoE push back, i don't know, i just know that i would stop mid leap outside of melee range.

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  • Mad JazzMad Jazz Registered User regular
    shelak wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, i loved my SW and my JK, but i don't find them currently on par with ranged tanks or other melee in any way or shape. I will play one with no expectations of it getting any better soon, nonetheless.

    That's exactly my thought. I'm sticking with my JK because I'm a stubborn bastard. I mean hell, if I tanked successfully for years in EQ and WoW before the warrior changes in each of those games at least took steps toward fixing the class, I figure I can do just fine with what I've seen so far from my limited beta experience with a jugg.

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    My Jedi Guardian is going by the wayside.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    How does "shielding" work for Trooper/BH? Seeing those talents that say they increase shield chance by x% confuse me. Does that mean that the chance of activating a shield is randomized? Can someone explain this mechanic a little more clearly to me?

  • EchoEcho Where da waaagh at? Moderator mod
    Shields are offhand items. The typical ones i saw all had 20% chance to shield and a 20% damage reduction to the attack they shielded.

    Talents improve that, and there are probably better shields.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    So you equip a shield item and every incoming attack has a baseline chance of proccing a damage reduction effect? And the baseline chance is improved by talents?

  • EchoEcho Where da waaagh at? Moderator mod
    Exactly.

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  • CripTonicCripTonic Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Lucascraft wrote:
    Does that mean that the chance of activating a shield is randomized?

    Yes.

    Shields are offhand slot itmes.
    Every tank has a [5% (from shield) + 15% (from defensive stance) + Z% from talents + X% from shield rating] to absorb [20% from shield + Y% from absorption rating] on every individual attack.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    One thing I could never quite figure out on my vanguard was the option of equipping a shield vs a "power generator". The shield had an obvious advantage to being equipped, but I was never able to figure out why someone would equip a "power generator" instead especially given that the two had the same stats usually. Does anyone know what the heck the "power generator" item actually does if anything?

  • TyberiusTyberius Registered User regular
    One thing I could never quite figure out on my vanguard was the option of equipping a shield vs a "power generator". The shield had an obvious advantage to being equipped, but I was never able to figure out why someone would equip a "power generator" instead especially given that the two had the same stats usually. Does anyone know what the heck the "power generator" item actually does if anything?

    It's a off-hand for extra damage and when you're not actively in Ion Cell stance (Trooper lingo) you're not going to take advantage of the +shield bonus of a shield generator. So Power gen is mainly for Tactic/Assault specs that won't be using the tanking stance. Power gen have better Aim stats than a shield gen too.

  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    Tyberius wrote:
    It's a off-hand for extra damage and when you're not actively in Ion Cell stance (Trooper lingo) you're not going to take advantage of the +shield bonus of a shield generator. So Power gen is mainly for Tactic/Assault specs that won't be using the tanking stance. Power gen have better Aim stats than a shield gen too.

    Ahhhhh okay. That makes sense. Thank you!

  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Ok so there seems to be a distinction made between Ranged Tanks and Melee Tanks. Does that mean that these are two separate roles in instances/raids or does it simply refer to the weapon loadout of the character, but the function is the same? I guess what I'm asking is, are there fights which specifically require a ranged or melee tank for a specific mechanic or boss gimmick? Or is a tank a tank?

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  • TyberiusTyberius Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote:
    Ok so there seems to be a distinction made between Ranged Tanks and Melee Tanks. Does that mean that these are two separate roles in instances/raids or does it simply refer to the weapon loadout of the character, but the function is the same? I guess what I'm asking is, are there fights which specifically require a ranged or melee tank for a specific mechanic or boss gimmick? Or is a tank a tank?

    There is honestly no difference between the two because as a Trooper/Bounty Hunter tank you will be in melee range for the majority of the time. All of your main abilities are used with 10 meters of the target.

  • Bobkins FlymoBobkins Flymo Cool, cool. Registered User, Moderator mod
    Vanguards/PowerTech have such a small range that they are effectively melee.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    shelak wrote:
    I will have to concede on that one. Not having a combat log or the ability to extract such numbers of the game, may put some people off, but in general it looks like a step for the better.

    this is dumb and here's why:

    hiding the information doesn't mean the information isn't out there. It just means things are harder and take longer to figure out, and the information is therefore restricted to people with the patience/understanding to seek it out (and who are willing to run third party programs to track the data.) To which you might say "fine, let the number crunchers have their fun, who cares," but inaccurate, incomplete or just misunderstood information getting out is usually more frustrating for players than knowing how mechanics work.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    God, this game is going to just devour my life.

    I should probably avoid playing it altogether.

  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Just wear a bucket on your head in the middle of a rave and scream about Republicans a lot. 100% legit Sith Warrior experience.

    Make sure you're wearing leather and have your codpiece sized by a professional before you head out.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    God, this game is going to just devour my life.

    I should probably avoid playing it altogether.

    Yeah. Exactly this.

    The CE preorder has me trapped, though.

  • Chases Street DemonsChases Street Demons Registered User regular
    So, for shielding...is it for every attack, or are there some attacks (FORCE LIGTNINZ!) that are treated as unblockable?

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    By the sound of them I though assassin/shadow were rogue like AC's.

    But they're tanks?

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    They can tank and they can DPS.

  • iguanacusiguanacus Desert PlanetRegistered User regular
    Each AC has 3 trees, one of which is either heals or tank. The other 2 are dps.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    iguanacus wrote:
    Each AC has 3 trees, one of which is either heals or tank. The other 2 are dps.

    Except Marauder and Sniper (and their republic equivalents). They're DPS-only.

  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    I'm rolling assassin. I hope the dev team is talented enough to make each tank viable.

    Lord knows WoW was terrible at that.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    So, I must admit that my class/role choice in this is entirely based on looks, I wants to be a Jedi Shadow with the dual-lightsaber.

    With that being said, this will be my first foray into the world of tanking, and I'm anticipating some growing pains, but I hope that not only will it allow me to look the way I want, but also provide a vaulable role and ensure shorter wait times in queues.

    Wish me luck.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    Are there any tank/heal hybrids?

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  • iguanacusiguanacus Desert PlanetRegistered User regular
    Not that I recall. A big part of tanking from what I recall was from the off-hand shield device with I couldn't use unless I had picked the Tank AC.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    Are there any tank/heal hybrids?

    Nope. Adv. Classes are either Healer/DPS or DPS/Tank.

  • KeysierKeysier Registered User regular
    I am wondering if, for my Jugg, leveling tank would be better/easier then actually going Vengeance. The amount of damage you begin to take in the mid 20s is borderline ridiculous if I am rolling in shit gear.

    I don't know. The rage gain in Shien form is just so amazing (and rage in Soresu form sucks assssssssssss)

    Anyone have any experience with this? Once I got to 29 or so I started to hate my life. Wish I had a second aoe

  • ChaosRedChaosRed Registered User
    This game will devour me too. I'll be watching this thread a lot, as I want to melee tank as a Jedi Knight as best as I can, the information on shields was really useful, thanks guys.

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  • DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    Keysier wrote:
    I am wondering if, for my Jugg, leveling tank would be better/easier then actually going Vengeance. The amount of damage you begin to take in the mid 20s is borderline ridiculous if I am rolling in shit gear.

    I don't know. The rage gain in Shien form is just so amazing (and rage in Soresu form sucks assssssssssss)

    Anyone have any experience with this? Once I got to 29 or so I started to hate my life. Wish I had a second aoe

    I got to 30, and stayed in Soresu form. I was invincible and it showed, completing the level 30 class quests at 29. The rage generation in the tanking stance isn't bad once you get used it it, in my opinion. Which may or may not be valid.

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  • Emperor KermitEmperor Kermit Registered User regular
    shelak wrote:
    I will have to concede on that one. Not having a combat log or the ability to extract such numbers of the game, may put some people off, but in general it looks like a step for the better.

    this is dumb and here's why:
    hiding the information doesn't mean the information isn't out there. It just means things are harder and take longer to figure out, and the information is therefore restricted to people with the patience/understanding to seek it out (and who are willing to run third party programs to track the data.) To which you might say "fine, let the number crunchers have their fun, who cares," but inaccurate, incomplete or just misunderstood information getting out is usually more frustrating for players than knowing how mechanics work.
    This.

    I remember Diablo 2; it took months of datamining to uncover the inner workings of the game. But that did not stop character optimization. Not in the least.
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    eMoander wrote:
    Does anyone who played in beta have any feeling for how the Powertech does DPS-wise? It seems to me that being able to tank or melee or ranged dps would be pretty awesome for allowing flexibility in ops. As long as the dps makes it worthwhile of course...

    I would be happy to hear how Powertechs do with leveling and tanking in both DPS and Tank builds as well.
    I'll third this. Anyone looking to share his Powertech experience?

  • SightTDWSightTDW Registered User regular
    Has anyone given tanking above the mid teens much of a shot yet?

    Just wondering how tight aggro gets, as my Shadow build is trading some of the damage dealing in the build in the OP for some extra focus regen and CC.

    I'm all excited to actually get to play around with talents instead of reading elitist jerks and calling it a day.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Are there any tank/heal hybrids?

    Nope. Adv. Classes are either Healer/DPS or DPS/Tank.

    Or DPS / DPS.

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  • MortifiedPenguinMortifiedPenguin Registered User regular

    I'll third this. Anyone looking to share his Powertech experience?

    I had a Vanguard up to 32 last build. Pulse cannon (flamethrower for BH) really made grabbing and holding a group pretty easy. Though I also had the good fortune of playing with groups that let me run into the group before they unloaded. Lots of tools to get mob attention. The charge, grappling hook, and taunt all saw plenty of use. Leveling was pretty easy, had the DPS companion (Jorgan) till the mid 20s with no real problems of dying. From 30 and beyond I switched to the healer companion (Dorne), and while everything took longer, I was able to handle most things with little trouble.

    Towards the end of the beta I switched my vanguard from shield spec to Assault specialist (never tried tactics tree), and the incendiary round made a big difference in my experience since I was wearing more endurance heavy gear. Not sure how it stacks up against merc/commando, but it helped get the tougher mobs down. Either way, I had no problem levelling in shield spec most of the time. Definitely going for powertech BH as my first tank.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    Decomposey wrote:
    I got to 30, and stayed in Soresu form. I was invincible and it showed, completing the level 30 class quests at 29. The rage generation in the tanking stance isn't bad once you get used it it, in my opinion. Which may or may not be valid.

    In the last round of weekend betas I played a guardian just to see how it changed from my initial playthrough in the 1020 beta. I didn't have any problems at all generating focus in soresu. Since it generates focus via the player getting hit, I often found I had more focus than I had abilities that could use that excess focus.

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