Honestly surprised the idea of random violence is so alien to some of you guys.
I thought you got that in basically all cities with poor white people.
(white people are the worst for this, they're basically awful)
I've personally never seen or experienced an act of random violence.
Well, I guess there was that time a girl pulled a steak knife out of her purse while she was using my cellphone, but, she was stabbing at the air and cursing at the person on the other end of the phone, not me.
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but i do think it's a little depressing when people get anti-intellectual and just like, refuse to engage a discussion on its merits and just go COME ON ARE YOU KIDDING
it reminds me of a low class redneck thing, 'well i don't know nothing bout that book learning but round bout where i live we talk how we talk and that's the way it is'
The word is so far removed from it's original misogynistic meaning that when someone says "pussy" it isn't calling them a woman so much as acting as a synonym for "wimp" or "weak" but more of a swear word version of it.
Words evolve, sorry, the origin was misogynistic, the word is no longer such.
my favorite example of this is, of course, Mr. Pratchett.
“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
We also say that bad things "suck dick". Does that imply we hate the gays and the women? What about if a bisexual girl said it? How about blowing goats?
the connotation there is that the activity in question conveys submission and thus weakness, which is bad and thus can be used as a pejorative
like when you tell someone to suck your dick, you're saying "acknowledge my dominance over you, which is proven beyond a doubt by the fact that you are servicing me sexually"
or at least, that's the origin for it. nobody is thinking that. in most cases i think they're just following linguistic patterns they've absorbed.
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
Well, see, I'm slightly confused here, because, I've never once mentioned tracing back words to their origins, but, everyone else seems like I'm really excited about doing that.
I think the most interesting thing about word/character arguments is that on the whole, people actively censor themselves based on where they are and who they are with, yet they are willing to totally pretend that there is a mechanistic definition of every word and it only means what you think it means and that it never causes a problem anywhere
actually no, that hypothesis has been largely rejected
there is lots of talk about a specific "thought language" or mode of thought that is distinct from the verbal
but it is also widely acknowledged that language has a powerful effect on thought
Well, clearly I am somewhat out of date on my readings. I'll still settle for "it's widely acknowledged that language as a powerful effect on thought" though.
NONE of you picked up on my "panties in a twist" joke in a discussion about how using the word pussy propagates certain notions of masculinity/femininity?
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
People wouldn't shout the words if the weren't offensive. When people shout the p-word or the d-word, they're trolling. They're trying to get a reaction from their edgy vocabulary to make some sort of non-point that no one's going to want to reply to. Unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, shouting the f-word makes everyone who hears it uncomfortable.
Oh yeah, pussy originated from a word that meant pocket. Pussy is more aptly describing slang language anyway, so if we're going to be super pedantic you can't even use the word to mean that. Weak like a cat, as opposed to a dog, I always said.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
NONE of you picked up on my "panties in a twist" joke in a discussion about how using the word pussy propagates certain notions of masculinity/femininity?
I AM DISAPPOINT.
This is no time for nuance, Inqui.
This is a time for yelling at each other and ignoring counterpoints.
i feel like it's pretty evident that thoughts have more effect on the world around us when they are articulated
and the articulation of thought must occur through language
but i also feel like curses and pejoratives have a double life - a lot of the time we are just repeating linguistic patterns we've absorbed as potent pejorative phrases, but we are also certainly aware of the offensive connotations surrounding racial slurs, words like "bitch," sexual slurs, etc.
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that's all! It doesn't matter beyond that!
We're not gonna keep thinking like that because we use dick and pussy
words don't form thought
Hokey religions, ancient weapons, etc etc.
e: ancient fucking aliens.
I've personally never seen or experienced an act of random violence.
Well, I guess there was that time a girl pulled a steak knife out of her purse while she was using my cellphone, but, she was stabbing at the air and cursing at the person on the other end of the phone, not me.
That's, like, most of our discussions, here.
my favorite example of this is, of course, Mr. Pratchett.
“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”
We use none of those words this way.
huh
around here it is mostly black folks
but my city has a plurality of black folks so it makes sense
But thought is formed in words.
'cism
also alot of us aren't living in cities with poor white people :whistle:
lived in London for like 3 years
experienced no random violence.
what the hell?
the connotation there is that the activity in question conveys submission and thus weakness, which is bad and thus can be used as a pejorative
like when you tell someone to suck your dick, you're saying "acknowledge my dominance over you, which is proven beyond a doubt by the fact that you are servicing me sexually"
or at least, that's the origin for it. nobody is thinking that. in most cases i think they're just following linguistic patterns they've absorbed.
not a lot, no
Sapir–Whorf hypothesis hasn't been in high standing in a while
actually no, that hypothesis has been largely rejected
there is lots of talk about a specific "thought language" or mode of thought that is distinct from the verbal
but it is also widely acknowledged that language has a powerful effect on thought
Well, see, I'm slightly confused here, because, I've never once mentioned tracing back words to their origins, but, everyone else seems like I'm really excited about doing that.
not really, no. You can think without a language.
i'm gonna be honest: i think you just googled or wiki'd this, like, in the past 3 minutes and you've never heard that phrase before in your life
depends on how you acquired that bag, frankly.
Well, clearly I am somewhat out of date on my readings. I'll still settle for "it's widely acknowledged that language as a powerful effect on thought" though.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
why does this lazy stuff get pulled out when we discuss stuff like this
was it the caps? Because I had to google the spelling :P
Nah I read a thing on 1984's newspeak a while back and why it wouldn't work as intended
This clearly drove them into a rage which they could only express by disrupting the social contract
NONE of you picked up on my "panties in a twist" joke in a discussion about how using the word pussy propagates certain notions of masculinity/femininity?
I AM DISAPPOINT.
People wouldn't shout the words if the weren't offensive. When people shout the p-word or the d-word, they're trolling. They're trying to get a reaction from their edgy vocabulary to make some sort of non-point that no one's going to want to reply to. Unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, shouting the f-word makes everyone who hears it uncomfortable.
And we talk about LoL and WoW and soon ToR all the time too.
Deal with it.
wait that might imply that we are better tahn animals without opposed thumbs oh noooooo
tldr: pussies
This is no time for nuance, Inqui.
This is a time for yelling at each other and ignoring counterpoints.
and the articulation of thought must occur through language
but i also feel like curses and pejoratives have a double life - a lot of the time we are just repeating linguistic patterns we've absorbed as potent pejorative phrases, but we are also certainly aware of the offensive connotations surrounding racial slurs, words like "bitch," sexual slurs, etc.