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Oh yeah, pussy originated from a word that meant pocket. Pussy is more aptly describing slang language anyway, so if we're going to be super pedantic you can't even use the word to mean that. Weak like a cat, as opposed to a dog, I always said.
Cats are traditional attached to femininity, dogs to masculinity.
Teehee!
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
People wouldn't shout the words if the weren't offensive. When people shout the p-word or the d-word, they're trolling. They're trying to get a reaction from their edgy vocabulary to make some sort of non-point that no one's going to want to reply to. Unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, shouting the f-word makes everyone who hears it uncomfortable.
no? You use the words because they're words.
Also calling thing x-word is worse than writing any kind of swear
i feel like it's pretty evident that thoughts have more effect on the world around us when they are articulated
and the articulation of thought must occur through language
but i also feel like curses and pejoratives have a double life - a lot of the time we are just repeating linguistic patterns we've absorbed as potent pejorative phrases, but we are also certainly aware of the offensive connotations surrounding racial slurs, words like "bitch," sexual slurs, etc.
exactly! which is why it really confuses me that people have a sort of double-think about this, especially on the forum
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
Two goats enter, one car leaves
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BobCescaIs a girlBirmingham, UKRegistered Userregular
I have fallen into the YouTube trap and am watching Bill Bailey videos.
However, I have found one of my favourite bits with the 'tears of joy'.
I wrote a paper in high school that was supposed to argue in favor of this thesis as part of a Semantics class. I argued the negative with relevant research, largely because I could recall thinking non-linguistically, especially in logic/math. I received a failing grade for the course. But I was a senior and it was an elective so it didn't really matter.
Yes pussy is exactly like the n word. How succinct.
see this is exactly what I'm talking about
why does this lazy stuff get pulled out when we discuss stuff like this
my guess: it is a topic whose ultimate conclusion is substantive effort- self moderation, self restraint, and a change in behavior
it is this way with discussions about the power of language, the ethics of certain diets, and so on
they evoke a particularly spiteful sort of 'oh god, quit being such a faggot and just eat what you want/say what you want'
like, you're treated like a pretentious nitwit for thinking about something that... i dunno. who knows why?
it really turns me off, though
I think the most upsetting part is that some people could never see how listening to a guild vent use the word faggot every ten seconds would be something I wouldn't really want to deal with
also the idea of gaming spaces being a space only for man-children really pisses me off
Yes pussy is exactly like the n word. How succinct.
see this is exactly what I'm talking about
why does this lazy stuff get pulled out when we discuss stuff like this
Bowen knows what I meant. Bowen knows he's in the wrong and doesn't want to spend more time talking about it. "The sooner the conversation ends, the sooner we all forget about it."
Yes pussy is exactly like the n word. How succinct.
see this is exactly what I'm talking about
why does this lazy stuff get pulled out when we discuss stuff like this
my guess: it is a topic whose ultimate conclusion is substantive effort- self moderation, self restraint, and a change in behavior
it is this way with discussions about the power of language, the ethics of certain diets, and so on
they evoke a particularly spiteful sort of 'oh god, quit being such a faggot and just eat what you want/say what you want'
like, you're treated like a pretentious nitwit for thinking about something that... i dunno. who knows why?
it really turns me off, though
Basically: People get super offended when they are getting called Racist/Sexist because of some mundane connotation to sexuality or racism. Quintuply so when they had no intentions of it being that way.
Basically, people are super touchy about their feelings and how they are perceived, even by whackos that would assume and call someone out on that same mundane connotation.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
People wouldn't shout the words if the weren't offensive. When people shout the p-word or the d-word, they're trolling. They're trying to get a reaction from their edgy vocabulary to make some sort of non-point that no one's going to want to reply to. Unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, shouting the f-word makes everyone who hears it uncomfortable.
no? You use the words because they're words.
Also calling thing x-word is worse than writing any kind of swear
well that's just a silly thing to say
are you seriously saying that cursing or using offensive words is not substantively different from using "standard" language? because lots of the time, people will use offensive words exactly because they are trying to maximize the offensiveness.
i say this as a person who does that very thing!
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
I don't understand Ludious, I very clearly said I was happy about this debate.
Also, I go to work every day and call everyone a pussy because we don't care about hurt feelings, we're not a bunch of little girls.
Yes pussy is exactly like the n word. How succinct.
see this is exactly what I'm talking about
why does this lazy stuff get pulled out when we discuss stuff like this
Bowen knows what I meant. Bowen knows he's in the wrong and doesn't want to spend more time talking about it. "The sooner the conversation ends, the sooner we all forget about it."
Bowen doesn't really care and isn't wrong. I posit that your slang interpretation of the word is improper and my more correct version going off various language origins is more right. Not my fault some people equate being weak to being a girl. You can be weak without being sexist about it. 8->
bowen on
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Oh hooray, its the "words have no meaning and I don't understand social context" debate.
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
I don't understand Ludious, I very clearly said I was happy about this debate.
Also, I go to work every day and call everyone a pussy because we don't care about hurt feelings, we're not a bunch of little girls.
If you genuinely think that the word pussy has evolved to not have sexist implications anymore, I personally must wonder if you have lived in an entirely different culture than I have. I don't mean this as a, I think you are ignorant or something, Ludious. I just mean, like, holy crap, our lives must be totally alien to one another.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
If you genuinely think that the word pussy has evolved to not have sexist implications anymore, I personally must wonder if you have lived in an entirely different culture than I have. I don't mean this as a, I think you are ignorant or something, Ludious. I just mean, like, holy crap, our lives must be totally alien to one another.
But if you use it a lot on Xbox it might mean something different!
but yeah, the closest thing i really experience to resenting privilege (and this is walking the conversation back to violence around us) is people who've just never had to accept violence as a fact of life. i was beat as a child, i had to fight every day in school, see assaults on the subway on the way to work, and so on. the idea of like, violence not being a specter in your day to day life is remarkable to me.
when someone says something that i consider very offensive i say something and i'm prepared to fight over it because in my life, that is often what happens. when the arguments come up online and i'm like, i sort of get why a small person or a lone woman or whatever wouldn't want to call someone out' they're like WHY WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN
i dunno
you could get hit in the face with a beer bottle? that is like, the probable outcome around here!
i am so happy when i talk to nerdgasmic after school and he's like oh blah blah i have this much homework or whatever, and that is the entirety of his school experience
no one got beat up, no one got physically bullied whatsoever
part of me is jealous and another part is incredibly happy that people get to live so pleasantly
Why are so many of you getting your panties in a twist over what has been a rather civil conversation so far.
It's one of those topics that comes up on a semi regular basis. There's no new ground to tread. The conclusion is that ideas, objects, words and people can all evolve beyond their own origins without becoming entirely divorced from them in every single way. To trace back word origins seeking offence is just silly.
People wouldn't shout the words if the weren't offensive. When people shout the p-word or the d-word, they're trolling. They're trying to get a reaction from their edgy vocabulary to make some sort of non-point that no one's going to want to reply to. Unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, shouting the f-word makes everyone who hears it uncomfortable.
no? You use the words because they're words.
Also calling thing x-word is worse than writing any kind of swear
well that's just a silly thing to say
are you seriously saying that cursing or using offensive words is not substantively different from using "standard" language? because lots of the time, people will use offensive words exactly because they are trying to maximize the offensiveness.
i say this as a person who does that very thing!
I am seriously saying that
as a person whose "standard" language does contain swears
I'm not trying to be offensive - if I'm in the company of people who might be offended by such I'll speak differently
(which was hella hard when being in the army - "cunt" was more used than punctuation then and had to pay attention to what I was saying when I got home :P)
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Cats are traditional attached to femininity, dogs to masculinity.
Teehee!
Sometimes, though I don't believe that addresses Abdhy's point.
Everything you ever wanted to know about pussy and its origins. Like, sexual connotations is like such a small part of the origins.
my guess: it is a topic whose ultimate conclusion is substantive effort- self moderation, self restraint, and a change in behavior
it is this way with discussions about the power of language, the ethics of certain diets, and so on
they evoke a particularly spiteful sort of 'oh god, quit being such a faggot and just eat what you want/say what you want'
like, you're treated like a pretentious nitwit for thinking about something that... i dunno. who knows why?
it really turns me off, though
no? You use the words because they're words.
Also calling thing x-word is worse than writing any kind of swear
i'm glad you're taking the time to consider non-primate sensitivities gooey
you're really growing as a person
That's a great debate.
Don't take that as an insult, because you can only interpret my words as they are written, regardless of implied voice, context, or meaning! Obviously I'm happy that words only have simple clearly-defined meanings with no history, subtext, or context.
However, I have found one of my favourite bits with the 'tears of joy'.
Gooey declares that implying you are better than women is akin to implying you are better than animals.
Women are animals, Gooey hates women! MORE AT 11!
I wrote a paper in high school that was supposed to argue in favor of this thesis as part of a Semantics class. I argued the negative with relevant research, largely because I could recall thinking non-linguistically, especially in logic/math. I received a failing grade for the course. But I was a senior and it was an elective so it didn't really matter.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
also the idea of gaming spaces being a space only for man-children really pisses me off
Bowen knows what I meant. Bowen knows he's in the wrong and doesn't want to spend more time talking about it. "The sooner the conversation ends, the sooner we all forget about it."
Basically: People get super offended when they are getting called Racist/Sexist because of some mundane connotation to sexuality or racism. Quintuply so when they had no intentions of it being that way.
Basically, people are super touchy about their feelings and how they are perceived, even by whackos that would assume and call someone out on that same mundane connotation.
I don't think the main argument of this debate is that words have NO meaning. Obviously you don't go to work and call everyone pussies. The argument is that the word isn't inherently sexist.
I... I somehow feel you aren't being very earnest about this discussion. :P
You mean like directly? I seem to remember quite a lot of random violence over there a while back. Stuff on fire, mobs in the streets, and so on.
Think
riots aren't random violence
they're more like violence parties
Inq implies that women aren't animals, and by implication not really human. More on this Hate Monger after the break!
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
well that's just a silly thing to say
are you seriously saying that cursing or using offensive words is not substantively different from using "standard" language? because lots of the time, people will use offensive words exactly because they are trying to maximize the offensiveness.
i say this as a person who does that very thing!
words
evolve
I don't understand Ludious, I very clearly said I was happy about this debate.
Also, I go to work every day and call everyone a pussy because we don't care about hurt feelings, we're not a bunch of little girls.
I'll say "don't be such a dick" not because I'm trolling or trying for a reaction
but because dick is the word that the most appropriate to what I'm trying to convey
it's just words
I use them like any other words
(and, maybe more than most words, their use is very dependent on context)
Bowen doesn't really care and isn't wrong. I posit that your slang interpretation of the word is improper and my more correct version going off various language origins is more right. Not my fault some people equate being weak to being a girl. You can be weak without being sexist about it. 8->
I have no idea what he's referring to, but I enjoy him as a comedian.
also I wasn't there during the summer when it happened - was home in Sweden.
In any case I could have probably walked around my area fairly unscathed. People just seem not-inclined to beat me up or mug me.
Seriously, the really dodgy areas I've walked through in a not-so-great state without even the slightest bit of damage is ridiculous.
I'm probably god, that's it.
well, yeah.
Okay, that first. And then working out, gotta get back on this wagon.
when someone says something that i consider very offensive i say something and i'm prepared to fight over it because in my life, that is often what happens. when the arguments come up online and i'm like, i sort of get why a small person or a lone woman or whatever wouldn't want to call someone out' they're like WHY WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN
i dunno
you could get hit in the face with a beer bottle? that is like, the probable outcome around here!
i am so happy when i talk to nerdgasmic after school and he's like oh blah blah i have this much homework or whatever, and that is the entirety of his school experience
no one got beat up, no one got physically bullied whatsoever
part of me is jealous and another part is incredibly happy that people get to live so pleasantly
Porch monkey: We're taking it back.
I am seriously saying that
as a person whose "standard" language does contain swears
I'm not trying to be offensive - if I'm in the company of people who might be offended by such I'll speak differently
(which was hella hard when being in the army - "cunt" was more used than punctuation then and had to pay attention to what I was saying when I got home :P)