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Magic: the Gathering: Cardboard Crack

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    WuShock wrote:
    Imagine Elbrus in a world where you can play Stoneforge Mystic.

    Like EDH?

    My first thought was a Sharuum the Hegemon deck with Stoneforge and other white 'equipment matters' cards.

    Alternatively, Ghave, because you can exploit the +1/+1 counters that the demon generates.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • WuShockWuShock Lawful Good South BrownbackistanRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote:
    Like EDH?

    Touche.

    But even then, it's mitigated by the fact that you can only have one card of each, so it's not like you're going to mulligan down until SM shows up in your hand.

    That reminds me, I need to put together an EDH deck.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Feral wrote:
    WuShock wrote:
    Imagine Elbrus in a world where you can play Stoneforge Mystic.

    Like EDH?

    While true, there are much, MUCH worse ways to abuse Elbrus in that format. Like Godo. Or, heavens forbid, Stonehewer Giant. True, Mystic is much cheaper but those other two skip a lot of intermediary steps.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote:
    While true, there are much, MUCH worse ways to abuse Elbrus in that format. Like Godo. Or, heavens forbid, Stonehewer Giant. True, Mystic is much cheaper but those other two skip a lot of intermediary steps.

    That is very true.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • WuShockWuShock Lawful Good South BrownbackistanRegistered User regular
    Zombie Nation took 3rd tonight it one of the weirdest tiebreak situations I've ever seen. But I had to tell you all about the best finish of the night.

    I'm at 1-1 with this guy running WW. I had the zombie engine going and Jace out and a Nephalia Drownyard. I'm at 1 life. I've milled him down to the teens in cards left. He's got a Swiftfoot Boots on the board, and five lands. I have two lands untapped and a couple of zombie tokens. He casts an Elite Inquisitor. I Mana Leak it, which taps him out so he can't equip the boots and kill me immediately, but he gets to keep it so I have one turn to beat him or he romps right through zombies . He swings with his other stuff, I block and he passes the turn. I have ten mana and one card in my hand. I use Jace to mill him for 10. He still has cards. I use Nephalia Drownyard to mill him for another 3. No good, he has 3 cards left, and that Inquisitor staring me in the face. Then I used my very last option: Life's Finale. The board is gone, and I search and remove the 1 remaining creature in his library.

    It was a good first run, but I was pretty herpy-derpy with it. One lesson I did learn: When you get the chance to exile Elesh Norn from a Solar Flare deck, you take it.

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  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    I went undefeated at FNM!
    I didn't win a single match.
    Ties. All night, ties. I may never play pure draw-go control again.

  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Lucedes wrote:
    I went undefeated at FNM!
    I didn't win a single match.
    Ties. All night, ties. I may never play pure draw-go control again.

    Obviously you need to build a deck around Karn Liberated that focuses on restarting the game as many times as possible.

  • TurksonTurkson Near the mountains of ColoradoRegistered User regular
    I got 2nd tonight with WU Humans!

    The two people playing UB Control decks did pretty bad. One dropped, and the other went 1-2-1. I almost played my UB Control deck, but decided against it at the last minute. I really didn't want every game to go to time.

    oh h*ck
  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    I had a fantastic time playing my clunky Puresteel deck last night, because I kept playing Grand Abolishers and the entire store was full of people playing blue.

    One guy was like "That card makes all of my cards useless!" and I replied that he should play not boring cards. Turns out hexproof hasted two drops are pretty good.

    Also Flayerhusks. All the flayerhusks.

  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper AustraliaRegistered User regular
    we got more for our lgs draft tonight 12! store was actually 1 pack short so there was a random zendikar booster thrown in which was interesting never seen zendikar before

    went win loss win, one of the games from my lost round i got 11land 1 creature (of 15) but what can you do

  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    I mentioned your zendikar anecdote to my friend and he said, "Last night we drafted one Innistrad and 2 core boosters. I was really happy to pull a Burning Vengeance and then realized right after I passed it..." and then he made a sad face.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    I will say, playing with Forbidden Alchemy felt really, really good.

    It's so good. Delicious. The best card.

    Obviously I should play Grixis, for Desperate Ravings.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    3-1-1 with my RWB control, which runs hot and cold. I think I need to find room in the sideboard for Hex Parasite; opposing PWs make me miserable, even with O-Ring. Putting Elesh Norn maindeck certainly paid off, though.

    Current list, for those interested:
    "Kaalia Kontrol"

    4 Solemn Simulacrum
    1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

    2 Sphere of the Suns
    1 Batterskull

    4 Desperate Ravings
    3 Tribute to Hunger
    3 Timely Reinforcements
    3 Day of Judgement
    2 Black Sun's Zenith
    1 Life's Finale
    2 Devil's Play

    3 Oblivion Ring
    1 Curse of Death's Hold

    2 Chandra, the Firebrand
    1 Elspeth Tirel
    1 Sorin Markov

    2 Ghost Quarter
    3 Clifftop Retreat
    3 Isolated Chapel
    3 Dragonskull Summit
    4 Mountain
    5 Plains
    5 Swamp
    1 Island

    --
    3 Surgical Extraction
    2 Nevermore
    3 Celestial Purge
    3 Dismember
    2 Revoke Existence
    1 Curse of Death's Hold
    1 Sever the Bloodline

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Lucedes wrote:
    I will say, playing with Forbidden Alchemy felt really, really good.

    It's so good. Delicious. The best card.

    Obviously I should play Grixis, for Desperate Ravings.

    And the new red Brainstorm with flashback.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote:
    Lucedes wrote:
    I will say, playing with Forbidden Alchemy felt really, really good.

    It's so good. Delicious. The best card.

    Obviously I should play Grixis, for Desperate Ravings.

    And the new red Brainstorm with flashback.

    You might want to read Desperate Ravings again. Or Brainstorm, I'm not sure which.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    I think he means Faithless Looting.

    They're all good cards. I wouldn't compare any of them to Brainstorm, but I love them all.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    They very much make me want to make a UR flashbacky deck with Burning Vengeance and that new Blue Burning Vengeance.

  • TurksonTurkson Near the mountains of ColoradoRegistered User regular
    Went 3-2 at SMM (Saturday Morning Magic). Lost to RDW and a GW Wolfrun deck. I went 2-1 in both my losses, I felt like I was still competitive and viable in all games. Really liking my WU Humans deck.
    Inkmoth Nexus should be a legendary land >.<

    oh h*ck
  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    Feral wrote:
    I think he means Faithless Looting.

    They're all good cards. I wouldn't compare any of them to Brainstorm, but I love them all.

    Faithless Looting is Brainstorm minus a card, and instead of being on top of your library, they go into your graveyard.
    Faithless Looting is indirect card disadvantage, but probably the sickest filtering and graveyard enabling you'll find for a while.

    it's interesting to compare them, maybe not productive. how much is good filtering worth? that probably depends on what archetype you're playing.
    control and combo get a lot more out of filtering (to the point where brainstorm reads "draw two and a half cards, maybe"), aggro not so much.

    i predict that modern U/R combo just got filthy degenerate and wizards might have to fix it again.

  • B.C.B.C. is a bee! remember me?Registered User regular
    Brainstorm in a format with Fetchlands, when played properly, is actually just straight up "Draw 3 cards"

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    I don't understand, how?

    For that matter, what's so great about those zendikar fetchlands? Why is it that so many decks have them when they're completely unnecessary? As in, having the U/G one in a deck without forests or even green spells.

  • FoomyFoomy Registered User regular
    if they're in say a mono blue deck that runs some card filtering it lets you shuffle your deck if you don't like what you see

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Oh, yeah, that's pretty clever. And then with Brainstorm you put back the cards you don't want and shuffle them away, I see.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Feral wrote:
    I think he means Faithless Looting.

    Yeah, I got the two red "draw" spells confused. But still.
    Lucedes wrote:
    Faithless Looting is Brainstorm minus a card, and instead of being on top of your library, they go into your graveyard.
    Faithless Looting is indirect card disadvantage, but probably the sickest filtering and graveyard enabling you'll find for a while.

    The fact that FL is a sorcery is also fairly important in this comparison, IMO.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Terrendos wrote:
    For that matter, what's so great about those zendikar fetchlands? Why is it that so many decks have them when they're completely unnecessary? As in, having the U/G one in a deck without forests or even green spells.

    Let's say you're running UB control in Modern or Extended and your dual lands include Watery Grave. Since the UB fetchlands are old and therefore not legal in Modern or Extended, your options for fetching a Watery Grave are limited to the ZEN fetchlands (UR, UG, BG, BW), all of which include a color you're not playing. It looks a little awkward running a Misty Rainforest in a deck with no forests, but 4x Misty means you can consistently play an untapped Watery Grave on the first turn.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    FULL SPOILS UP!

    MaRo is terrible about "plot hints." Yes, we know that
    Lili busts open the Helvault to kill the demon and free Avacyn.
    You don't have to be so "HEY GUYS PAY ATTENTION" about it.

    Also, almost all of the cards spoiled now seem pretty bad. Some exceptions:
    Curse of Exhaustion (one-sided Rule of Law).
    Midnight Guard (with Village Bell-Ringer, you could run BOROS SPLINTER TWIN, wtf)
    Dungeon Geists (limited beast, like a worse Flametongue Kavu in blue)
    Mystic Retrieval (complements desperate ravings)
    Niblis of the Breath (blue tapper)
    Increasing Ambition (UB control might really want this)
    Increasing Vengeance (seems like it might do something? storm? ascension?)
    Tracker's Instincts (Lead the Stampede / Forbidden Alchemy. Looks a little busted.)
    Young Wolf (never thought a 1/1 would actually be okay to play.)

  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    yeah i dunno about this set. the only mythic like mythic is sorin?

    this means there's no point in buying random packs? I should just buy singles?

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper AustraliaRegistered User regular
    i think there's going to be disappointment that there wasn't a 'set' of cards like vault of the archangel for each enemy colour combo

    but it looks good for limited cant wait!

  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    i think there's going to be disappointment that there wasn't a 'set' of cards like vault of the archangel for each enemy colour combo

    They won't even give me a crappy ability on a land!

    Unsurprisingly, they gave nothing to Delver and burn decks. Nothing to control either it looks like. Rare counterspells (except Cryptic Command, Absorb and Undermine) are always so bad. I thought they reprinted Dismiss at common, but then I noticed the creature clause. D'oh!

    As for limited, I think they did a good job as it looks pretty varied. Every colour combination got something out of it. Spirits are actually a viable tribe now, especially with the lord that gives everything hexproof. That's at least more fair than Invisible Stalker (unless you get two of them in play somehow), which hopefully U/W won't devolve into now that it has one less Innistrad pack. Saving Grasp + Slayer of the Wicked is going to be so unfair though. As if Silent Departure wasn't enough. Stormbound Geist is really good at common and Niblis of the Breath, Tower Geist and Soul Seizer are solid at uncommon. Most importantly, yay Evolving Wilds! Go, go, four-colour Burning Vengeance.

    I wonder if Curses are a viable constructed deck now that it has a tutor that puts a curse into play for free every turn. Curse of Thirst is a pretty fast clock if you manage to get the engine running. No one has Witchbane Orb in their sideboard, right?

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    i think there's going to be disappointment that there wasn't a 'set' of cards like vault of the archangel for each enemy colour combo

    The other three are in Avacyn Restored.

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    I wonder if Avacyn's Collar and Grafdigger's Cage will make Trinket Mage playable in Puresteel again. I thought Puresteel was a little underrated as it is, and the collar seems really good in that deck.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    PikaPuff wrote:
    yeah i dunno about this set. the only mythic like mythic is sorin?

    I'd definitely consider Elbrus to be "mythic". Mikaeus and Vorrapede are fine, Beguiler of Wills and Moonveil Dragon borderline. The four "monster" mythics are ok. Helvault gets a flavor pass (along with Mikaeus). Really the only truly horrible one is that white sorcery. But yeah: Sorin's the only one that will be worth ANYTHING in about 6 weeks. Maybe Huntmaster.

    As a note: that's 12 mythics in this set, instead of the usual 10, thanks to two being DFCs.

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  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    Grafdigger's Cage is the value rare

    that's saying something, right there

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Man, there may or may not be a lot of 'money' cards or standard bombs, but my shopping list is like 40 individual cards long (plus duplicates of some), and that's before I go cheap foil hunting for cards with incredible artwork. Really, really love the artwork in this set.

    On one hand, I don't mind possibly not spending a lot on the cards I want for a variety of decks. On the other hand, I would like a Sorin, and I suspect that like other lower value distribution sets, this means that everyone will act to push Sorin up to eight hundred dollars (massive hyperbole folks, put the pitchforks down.. and equip them to a human) apiece.

    Notably pondering trying to turn my pure black Zombie deck to Black/Blue, and mono black Vampires to Black/Red, but am not quite convinced it's worth doing compared to the advantages mono black brings. Doing so to either would involve adding a good dozen cards to that shopping list, and more to cover Innistrad red/blue creatures I skipped over the first time around.

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    Lucedes wrote:
    Increasing Vengeance (seems like it might do something? storm? ascension?)

    Sadly, because it just says "copy target spell" and not "you may cast the copy" it doesn't trigger Storm or Ascension.

    A few other cards that jumped out at me:

    Drogskol Captain - Two of these on the battlefield gets scary. Especially in combination with token generators. Having trouble fishing for the second one? Maybe that's where Call to the Kindred comes in. (Or even Mitotic Manipulation, which I still think is an underrated card.) Speaking of which...

    Call to the Kindred - Anything that lets you put a creature directly on the battlefield without paying its mana cost has potential for abuse. I'm not seeing it yet but I'm sure something will come up.

    Break of Day and Faith's Shield - These will make Fateful Hour very relevant in limited. Still not sure about constructed, though.

    Artful Dodge - Reminds me of Distortion Strike, which is a good thing.

    Black Cat - lol

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    Call to the Kindred - Anything that lets you put a creature directly on the battlefield without paying its mana cost has potential for abuse. I'm not seeing it yet but I'm sure something will come up

    Not in Standard, but using it with changelings could get pretty silly.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Call to the Kindred - Anything that lets you put a creature directly on the battlefield without paying its mana cost has potential for abuse. I'm not seeing it yet but I'm sure something will come up

    Not in Standard, but using it with changelings could get pretty silly.

    A cheap creature with hexproof seems like the best use of it.

    Slippery Bogle, maybe? He becomes a Beast factory if you don't have a board-wiping effect.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    so sun titan can put enchantment auras onto hexproof?

    if you chain fiend hunter's trigger effect to kill him on the chain, the monster is exiled forever?

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    PikaPuff wrote:
    so sun titan can put enchantment auras onto hexproof?

    Yes. Auras only target when cast. Note that this is a weird but valid way to get, say, Spectral Flight on Phantasmal Bears.

    I once had to explain that to an opponent (at Regionals...) after I used Enduring Ideal to Confiscate his Kodama of the North Tree.

    Bear in mind that it actually has to be an Aura, not Oblivion Ring. :P

    if you chain fiend hunter's trigger effect to kill him on the chain, the monster is exiled forever?

    Effectively. His leaves-play trigger will go on the stack (STACK. "Chain" is a YGO term and it makes me ill) on top of his ETB trigger. They resolve in reverse order, so first it returns whatever it exiled (i.e., nothing) and then it exiles it.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    Sooo I guess I don't understand something. I thought if you stack something and "kill" a lower card in the stack, when the stack reaches it, it doesn't find the card, so the effect doesn't happen. That's what I thought. Can someone explain how that works in magic?

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