I've heard a number of people say "I took it so I can make the decision later." Which, in gameplay terms, means "I chose to experience more story."
That's not what I'm arguing, though.
If those people want to cop-out like that, go ahead.
Besides, we don't know that destroying the genophage research will be completely irrelevant in ME3.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
You read as well as you eat chicken.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
My Shepard backs the Krogan on the sheer basis that they're fun to hang around
seriously, the Krogan homeworld was like vacation for her
My Shepard agrees on the whole "Best vacation ever" thing. She's generally good at Krogan culture, likes hitting things until they stop moving.
Which is part of why there's no way in hell she's letting them loose on the galaxy. Most of us have at least one friend who's great to hang out with, but should never be given any responsibility.
I honestly saw the genophage as justified. It's awful that it ended up coming down to that solution, but I think Mordin's logic was sound.
Krogans breed like rabbits because they evolved in an environment that was hostile as shit where everything was trying to eat them.
Then they proceeded to nuke the shit out of their environment, leaving very little left to directly threaten them, thus their numbers exploded.
And then the council stepped in and said "Hey, we kind of need ridiculous numbers of soldiers to deal with this super bad bug problem, why don't you just start colonizing these places and start sending us dudes?"
We all know what happened from there. And if the genophage was cured, I don't see why the resulting krogan explosion wouldn't create the exact problems that necessitated the genophage in the first place.
It's truly horrid beyond description that so many births must fail, it seriously is. I can't even imagine how awful it has to be to have so many stillborns and aborted children year after year. But at least they're still alive as a species and can thrive and grow at a pace that isn't uncontrollable.
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I honestly saw the genophage as justified. It's awful that it ended up coming down to that solution, but I think Mordin's logic was sound.
Krogans breed like rabbits because they evolved in an environment that was hostile as shit where everything was trying to eat them.
Then they proceeded to nuke the shit out of their environment, leaving very little left to directly threaten them, thus their numbers exploded.
And then the council stepped in and said "Hey, we kind of need ridiculous numbers of soldiers to deal with this super bad bug problem, why don't you just start colonizing these places and start sending us dudes?"
We all know what happened from there. And if the genophage was cured, I don't see why the resulting krogan explosion wouldn't create the exact problems that necessitated the genophage in the first place.
It's truly horrid beyond description that so many births must fail, it seriously is. I can't even imagine how awful it has to be to have so many stillborns and aborted children year after year. But at least they're still alive as a species and can thrive and grow at a pace that isn't uncontrollable.
This.
Well, and the cynical, practical, bastardy "this keeps the galaxy more unified when the Reapers come" thing. Because Renegade is, in theory, all about being Space Jack Bauer, doing nasty (often awesome) things for the greater good, then hating yourself for (some of) them after.
The Salarians "lifted" the Krogan to fight their battles, before the society as a whole was ready; ending with the Krogan getting hit with the Genophage. Curing the Genophage, at this point, is basically doing the same thing. The resulting population explosion will put the Krogan right back as Enemy #1 because, as a culture, they're not ready for the cure. I have no idea when they'll be ready of course, but a good way to tell is when they figure out the cure for themselves, without any outside help.
And really, it's only "bad" because Krogans reproduce like bunnies. All the Genophage did was return their birth rates to pre-industrial levels. It's just that there are so many Krogan at this point, that's a lot of dead bodies.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Keep is the Paragon option in 2.
Renegade is Destroy.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
So yes, you are still missing the point.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm starting to think Paragon.
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(Seriously, somebody shoot me and stop this ceaseless descent into madness.)
We can talk this over. You're a valuable member of the community! (shoot him)
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If it makes a difference, I'm dangling an infant krogan over a boiling pot of broth.
So, yeah, probably Paragon.
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Actually depending on your dialogue with Mordin in the mission, Keep can be Renegade and Destroy Paragon. (*)
I have never heard of this. I wish to know how
Talk to Mordin in a different way than you usually do. If you agree with Mordin on the various topics he brings up, I think. Don't challenge him. I don't know if there's a specific formula to it. Been a while.
I do know that if you avoid stopping and talking with Mordin at the various points all together, Keep the Cure will be Renegade and Destroy the Cure will be Paragon - you're making an uninformed decision, essentially, and the default opinion in the galaxy is that the genophage ain't nothin' they don't deserve.
My Shepard backs the Krogan on the sheer basis that they're fun to hang around
seriously, the Krogan homeworld was like vacation for her
Renegade Shep in Kroganstan is hilarious.
Everywhere else he's a murderous lunatic with a chip on his shoulder.
On Tuchanka he's a wise, moderate, respectable fellow, with some good lessons to impart to young Krogan on the importance of respect to your elders, hard work, and MURDER GLORIOUS MURDER.
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A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
guys I do not understand Udina
it makes no sense that he is the Renegade option
it makes no sense that he's an option at all
I mean, being Renegade, it seems to me, is about accomplishing the objective in the most direct possible way
but Udina accomplishes dick-all
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Udina is a renegade option to test whether the most extreme renegade players can actually keep that up.
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
I feel like he was just a really lazy character from a writing perspective
"we need a stereotypical self-serving politician. he'll be the renegade option, which makes sense because he's a dick."
"but he'll be kind of obstructionist, wouldn't he?"
"eh."
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Enduring Udina is pretty much the equivalent of forcing a wookiee to tear his adopted little sister limb from limb.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Wait wait wait.
If Shepard is the blatant Jesus analogue...
...who is Judas?!?!?!?!
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Udina is the Renegade option because it means you straight up do not give a fuck about how badly you mess up Citadel politics, so long as you get to shoot stuff in the face.
Either Samara/Morinth or Jacob, depending on how you compare The Last Supper painting to how everyone was standing around the big table before the Collector Base.
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You can do it because you want the krogan to recover, or because you want a krogan army.
Alternatively, you can do it because the krogan are too dangerous, or because fuck them, humans first.
That's not what I'm arguing, though.
If those people want to cop-out like that, go ahead.
Besides, we don't know that destroying the genophage research will be completely irrelevant in ME3.
Honestly, I don't even understand what you're arguing at this point.
I'm arguing from the logical/moral standpoint, you're arguing from a gameplay standpoint.
Or maybe I just can't read.
What the shit is going on?
My Shepard agrees on the whole "Best vacation ever" thing. She's generally good at Krogan culture, likes hitting things until they stop moving.
Which is part of why there's no way in hell she's letting them loose on the galaxy. Most of us have at least one friend who's great to hang out with, but should never be given any responsibility.
Krogans fit the bill nicely.
Why I fear the ocean.
Ouch.
EDIT: Fuck off, Vanilla, can your shitty fucking scripting work properly for once?
This argument's difficult enough to discern without having to wait for you to figure out how a clock works.
Krogans breed like rabbits because they evolved in an environment that was hostile as shit where everything was trying to eat them.
Then they proceeded to nuke the shit out of their environment, leaving very little left to directly threaten them, thus their numbers exploded.
And then the council stepped in and said "Hey, we kind of need ridiculous numbers of soldiers to deal with this super bad bug problem, why don't you just start colonizing these places and start sending us dudes?"
We all know what happened from there. And if the genophage was cured, I don't see why the resulting krogan explosion wouldn't create the exact problems that necessitated the genophage in the first place.
It's truly horrid beyond description that so many births must fail, it seriously is. I can't even imagine how awful it has to be to have so many stillborns and aborted children year after year. But at least they're still alive as a species and can thrive and grow at a pace that isn't uncontrollable.
This.
Well, and the cynical, practical, bastardy "this keeps the galaxy more unified when the Reapers come" thing. Because Renegade is, in theory, all about being Space Jack Bauer, doing nasty (often awesome) things for the greater good, then hating yourself for (some of) them after.
Why I fear the ocean.
The Salarians "lifted" the Krogan to fight their battles, before the society as a whole was ready; ending with the Krogan getting hit with the Genophage. Curing the Genophage, at this point, is basically doing the same thing. The resulting population explosion will put the Krogan right back as Enemy #1 because, as a culture, they're not ready for the cure. I have no idea when they'll be ready of course, but a good way to tell is when they figure out the cure for themselves, without any outside help.
And really, it's only "bad" because Krogans reproduce like bunnies. All the Genophage did was return their birth rates to pre-industrial levels. It's just that there are so many Krogan at this point, that's a lot of dead bodies.
Renegade is Destroy.
Or rather what Munkus was arguing about, and what I wasn't arguing about because I'm apparently in-fucking-capable of remembering important details.
Assuming that destroying the data remains the Paragon option in 3.
Did I get it right? Or am I still missing the point?
Just shoot me.
I'm starting to think you'd be doing me a favor.
And we'd get renegade points, doing us a favor.
Oh sweet intimidate options. How I love thee.
Why I fear the ocean.
So then the argument was that the Paragon option was a cop-out, because it's not immediately relevant, right?
I'd say that's true, yeah.
I mean, I made the decision because I thought it was the right thing to do, and I didn't know if it'd come up again.
Though I can understand if people decided to wait and see how things played out.
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-Well, if you're sure(shoot him)
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Asking makes this less fun(Shoot him in the dick)
Why I fear the ocean.
So, yeah, probably Paragon.
Fixed that for you.
Actually depending on your dialogue with Mordin in the mission, Keep can be Renegade and Destroy Paragon. (*)
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I have never heard of this. I wish to know how
Twitch (I stream most days of the week)
Twitter (mean leftist discourse)
H5.
At some point, I'm going to have to take away your fork joke privileges.
Talk to Mordin in a different way than you usually do. If you agree with Mordin on the various topics he brings up, I think. Don't challenge him. I don't know if there's a specific formula to it. Been a while.
I do know that if you avoid stopping and talking with Mordin at the various points all together, Keep the Cure will be Renegade and Destroy the Cure will be Paragon - you're making an uninformed decision, essentially, and the default opinion in the galaxy is that the genophage ain't nothin' they don't deserve.
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Renegade Shep in Kroganstan is hilarious.
Everywhere else he's a murderous lunatic with a chip on his shoulder.
On Tuchanka he's a wise, moderate, respectable fellow, with some good lessons to impart to young Krogan on the importance of respect to your elders, hard work, and MURDER GLORIOUS MURDER.
she always cuts loose on Tuchanka
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it makes no sense that he is the Renegade option
it makes no sense that he's an option at all
I mean, being Renegade, it seems to me, is about accomplishing the objective in the most direct possible way
but Udina accomplishes dick-all
"we need a stereotypical self-serving politician. he'll be the renegade option, which makes sense because he's a dick."
"but he'll be kind of obstructionist, wouldn't he?"
"eh."
If Shepard is the blatant Jesus analogue...
...who is Judas?!?!?!?!
Kelly.
Mordin would be Doubting Thomas.
Medically impossible, grossly illogical.
Believe it when probing distended facial wounds personally.