VivixenneRemember your training, and we'll get through this just fine.Registered Userregular
edited March 2012
Yeah PUA doesn't sell confidence as self-confidence, not really. It sells confidence as you putting down other people and making them feel like shit (GIRLS) to make yourSELF seem more impressive.
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I just find the whole exercise to be completely and utterly offensive, reprehensible, and RUDE.
#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
Yeah I think the point of the thing is that part of the reason PUA techniques work is because they're performed with a shitload of confidence.
But the thing is, that confidence is a big part of what makes it so effective. If you walk up to somebody and start talking to them without mumbling or staring at your feet and with a smile and good eye contact, it's human nature to want to engage with that person.
From there you can choose to employ the bullshit emotional manipulation of a PUA or you can have an honest, open conversation. You'd find that both would solicit a positive response.
I think the essence behind it (being confident, approachable etc) is sound. The words and terms and general attitude is kinda silly.
yeah but then there's the emotional manipulation / blackmail that comes with it, and thats extremely fucked up.
Honestly some of the shit that PUA's will do to get laid stop just short of outright date rape.
Really I thought it was a guide to be confident with girls.
Here is the best guide to being confident with girls:
1. treat them like people first, girls second - i.e., just have a conversation with them like they are normal people
2. remember that you're a good and interesting dude in your own right who is able to have an interesting conversation with people (not just girls)
The specific "how-to" of it is down to the individual to figure out. Once someone starts spouting a "one size fits all" way of "picking up girls," it's bullshit because all girls are individuals with their own brains/personality/preferences and, perhaps more importantly in your case, all BOYS are individuals with their own brains/personality/preferences.
FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
edited March 2012
There are some good points and behaviours outlined in the PUA literature, but nothing that isn't covered elsewhere in other more reputable sources. You'd get as much or milage out of being a decent human being who can communicate with other by reading How to Win Friends and Influence People, which isn't just about talking to girls, but rather also addresses just relating to people in general.
Once you're in a relationship, there's all sorts of books on how to treat your lady (or gent) special, ranging from entire boookshelves to the sealed section of Cosmo.
Those things are important, and are (sometimes) addressed in PUA habits, but once you take those particular things away from the PUA community, all that's really left is meaningless and shallow scoreboarding and numbers bragging.
There are some good points and behaviours outlined in the PUA literature, but nothing that isn't covered elsewhere in other more reputable sources. You'd get as much or milage out of being a decent human being who can communicate with other by reading How to Win Friends and Influence People, which isn't just about talking to girls, but rather also addresses just relating to people in general.
Once you're in a relationship, there's all sorts of books on how to treat your lady (or gent) special, ranging from entire boookshelves to the sealed section of Cosmo.
Those things are important, and are (sometimes) addressed in PUA habits, but once you take those particular things away from the PUA community, all that's really left is meaningless and shallow scoreboarding and numbers bragging.
This is all good, except for the part about Cosmo...
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FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
It says a lot that I had to stare at that picture for 20 seconds or so to work out it was a 'shop job.
Uhmmm. Fuck man. That isn't good.
I hope everyone is alright
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
It's not that big a deal, guys. It's just that people are going to want to know where the horse got it from, and whether it's passed it on to other horses.
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VivixenneRemember your training, and we'll get through this just fine.Registered Userregular
It's not that big a deal, guys. It's just that people are going to want to know where the horse got it from, and whether it's passed it on to other horses.
Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Your sister in law will be fine, man.
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
All seven humans infected with HeV to date had high levels of exposure to body fluids of infected horses, such as during unprotected autopsy or by direct contact with respiratory secretions or aerosols.
So my brother is with my grandmother at rehab at the moment and she knows who Ben is (my brother) and who I am.
But she doesn't know that my brother is Ben, she just thinks he knows him. So he is there talking to her about himself in the third person.
Tragic but humourous.
Apparently she likes Ben though, so at least she likes her grandchildren.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
Yeah I bet she hates that Tim.
To be fair to her, her vision is also fucked so it would be making it super hard to know what the hell is going on. Hardcore macular degeneration.
Really hoping I get to be like my paternal grandfather in old age. 90 years old, still driving, still doing gardening, still being a crazy bigot.
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This is not exclusive to the PUA bullshit. This is just being a nice person who knows he is a person worth caring about.
It's SO much worse than words/terms/attitude. I've read some of that stuff and I find it absolutely disgusting.
"girls with ISSUES" (emphasis ++) is perhaps more accurate
Satans..... hints.....
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I just find the whole exercise to be completely and utterly offensive, reprehensible, and RUDE.
But the thing is, that confidence is a big part of what makes it so effective. If you walk up to somebody and start talking to them without mumbling or staring at your feet and with a smile and good eye contact, it's human nature to want to engage with that person.
From there you can choose to employ the bullshit emotional manipulation of a PUA or you can have an honest, open conversation. You'd find that both would solicit a positive response.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Really I thought it was a guide to be confident with girls.
I mean it was right there.
Here is the best guide to being confident with girls:
1. treat them like people first, girls second - i.e., just have a conversation with them like they are normal people
2. remember that you're a good and interesting dude in your own right who is able to have an interesting conversation with people (not just girls)
The specific "how-to" of it is down to the individual to figure out. Once someone starts spouting a "one size fits all" way of "picking up girls," it's bullshit because all girls are individuals with their own brains/personality/preferences and, perhaps more importantly in your case, all BOYS are individuals with their own brains/personality/preferences.
PUA teaches you to act like a arsehole.
It's the McDonalds of dating. Sure you get fed, but it's really really shitty.
Satans..... hints.....
Once you're in a relationship, there's all sorts of books on how to treat your lady (or gent) special, ranging from entire boookshelves to the sealed section of Cosmo.
Those things are important, and are (sometimes) addressed in PUA habits, but once you take those particular things away from the PUA community, all that's really left is meaningless and shallow scoreboarding and numbers bragging.
This is all good, except for the part about Cosmo...
My sister-in-law's horse died overnight
and they just found out that it had Hendra
we're all kind of freaking out right now
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Yes you're right.
Well, I think the word "attitude" sums it up pretty concisely. The PUA attitude is bad.
You gonna get a visit from some government dudes.
Woah, that's pretty massive news. Hope everything is OK.
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I hope everyone is alright
this is an amazing book by Dale Carnegie that I strongly encourage everybody ever to read at least once in their adult lives
it's one of two books that everyone in my family has read and we draw on shit from it ALL the damn time
Do you feel a sudden fondness for apples and sugar cubes
Have you taken to stamping your feet in response to questions
(Seriously that sucks and I hope it doesn't end up being a massive hassle for your family)
or people
you know it's got a 60% death rate in people
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
she thought it might be a tick, so she went hunting around the body
she had a lot of contact
and if she caught hendra, there's a sixty percent chance that she'll die from it.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
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Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
but we're just worried. It's a shock. None of us will really be comfortable until the test results come back.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
But she doesn't know that my brother is Ben, she just thinks he knows him. So he is there talking to her about himself in the third person.
Tragic but humourous.
Apparently she likes Ben though, so at least she likes her grandchildren.
Satans..... hints.....
To be fair to her, her vision is also fucked so it would be making it super hard to know what the hell is going on. Hardcore macular degeneration.
Really hoping I get to be like my paternal grandfather in old age. 90 years old, still driving, still doing gardening, still being a crazy bigot.
Both my grandfathers have had strokes, so if it's a genetic thing I could be in trouble a few years down the track.
So my brother and sister in law have sat in the emergency room for 6 hours for nothin
A huge relief but god damn
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
so maybe that's something
or maybe what I said doesn't mean anything at all
That's good to hear.
it waaaas.... this disease that killed it, now give me seven thousand dollars
I look dope
hooray