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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    I am gonna get back into it once F2P hits

    wait to sub once I'm at end game

    need a break from world of dailies

  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    This ended up being longer than I expected, but here you go. In case any new/returning players are wondering about the ins and outs of free-to-play, look no further.

    The Free-To-Play Question-O-Rama and Also Hyphens

    Specific details are slightly hard to come by, so here is everything that I could piece together through the SWTOR website's information (http://www.swtor.com/free and http://www.swtor.com/free/features mostly), the test server/patch notes, and developer responses on the forum.

    So what's this free-to-play thing, then?
    Starting on November 15, new, returning, and current players will have the option to play the game without a subscription fee. You'll be able to level to 50 and experience basically the entire game, but with certain limitations. Also of note, if you want to start playing right now, the free trial (play up to level 15) still exists and all trial accounts will be converted to free-to-play ones when it launches. http://www.swtor.com/trial

    Do I have to buy the game?
    Nope!

    What are these limitations?
    Spoilered for long.
    Slower XP gain after level 10.
    Limited races at character creation (only human, cyborg, and zabrak).
    A cap on how many credits you can have. Increased cap for preferred status, unlimited for subscribers (or whatever the cap was for them before free-to-play launched, anyway). Extra credits you earn after the cap are placed in escrow, which is given to you if you subscribe/buy a month of game time (or 150,000 of it is given to you if you go up to preferred status).
    Two ability bars. Suscribers get six.
    Cannot do operations.
    Five warzones per week. Unlimited for subscibers.
    Three space missions per week. Unlimited for subscribers.
    Rewards from only three flashpoints per week (can do them as many times as you want, just can't get item drops from them after the third).
    One crew skill. Three for subscribers.
    Can only gain access to the cargo hold and additional tabs with cartel coins. Subscribers have cargo hold access by default and can use credits or cartel coins to buy additional tabs.
    Can only increase inventory with cartel coins. Subscribers have the option to use credits.
    Longer quick travel cooldown.
    Limited number (5) of field revives. Subscribers have unlimited field revives, though the increasing cooldown still applies.
    No priority status for login queues.
    Cannot use most artifact (purple) gear.
    Cannot use the hide head slot or match color to chest piece cosmetic options.
    No access to the guild bank.
    Cannot display titles or your legacy name.

    Almost all of these can be allieviated with cartel market purchases (either one-time permanent authorizations or weekly passes for operations/warzones/flashpoints/space missions), with the exceptions of the credit cap and login queue priority. If you want more than just a few, though, it'll probably be more cost efficient to subscribe.

    What's this about Preferred Status?
    If you've ever subscribed in the past, or you purchase $5 or more on the web store (cartel coins or the physical security key or whatever; more about the security key in a bit), you get Preferred Status, which has a few perks over a regular free to play account. This status is permanent: once you have it, you'll never go all the way back to the base free-to-play account.

    Preferred status perks
    Sprint ability at level 1
    Access to your cargo hold
    Access to secure trade
    Ability to send mail, including one attachment
    Increased allowance for chat message frequencies in public chat channels (such as /general)
    Increased Credits cap
    Access to the Who list (player search)
    Three additional sale slots on the Galactic Trade Network, for a total of 5 slots
    One additional Crew Skill slot, for a total of 2
    Reduced skill point respecialization costs
    Increased server queue priority

    So what was that about security keys?
    Information about security keys
    Okay, so if you've played in the past, and you have the mobile security key attached to your account, you can continue using it even after going free-to-play/preferred. You can't, however, attach a new one to your account if you're free-to-play/preferred. If you have the physical key fob thing, nothing changes. You can continue using it, and if you're a new player, buying it on the web store will also give you preferred status since it's 5 bucks. It's been said that attaching a new one will not be available at day one of free-to-play launch, however.

    If I'm currently subscribed, or have in the past, or do in the future, what do I lose/keep if I switch (back) to Free To Play?
    Look over the free-to-play limitations, add in the preferred status perks (since if you've ever subscribed, you'll only ever get bumped down to preferred, not free-to-play), and that's what you'll have. Some things are slightly more complicated, though.

    If you've created more than 2 characters, you'll still have access to them all (regardless of whether they're free-to-play races or not) at the start of free-to-play launch. If you delete any, however, you cannot create more until you have one or less characters. Notice I said, "at the start of free-to-play launch"? In a patch soon (how soon, they have not said) after it launches, you'll have to choose which 2 will be your active ones. It is unknown at this time if you'll ever be able to change your active characters, or if there will be a cooldown on how often you can change them if so.

    Any artifact (purple) gear you have that is bound to you is still able to be equipped, though any future drops will require the one-time artifact gear authorization. Any extra cargo hold tabs or inventory expansions you previously purchased will be kept. Legacy unlocks and perks (including species unlocks) will be kept.

    So what are these cartel coins?
    These are the currency used for the cash shop; think microsoft points. If you're a current subscriber, you'll be granted some at the launch of free-to-play (http://www.swtor.com/free shows how much for what, and http://www.swtor.com/user/cartelcoins shows how much you, personally, will get). You'll be able to buy them on the SWTOR store, though currently it is unknown how much they will actually cost.

    So this cartel market. What can you buy on there?
    You can buy a handful of one-time authorizations or weekly passes. At max level and want better gear? Get the artifact gear authorization and you'll be able to equip purple quality gear from that point on. Only really care about warzones? Buy a pass for unlimited warzones for a week. You'll be able to use your cartel coins to upgrade your inventory/add extra cargo hold tabs (it is not advised to buy the base cargo hold access, since any purchase of $5 or more will give you preferred status, and thus automatic cargo hold access). Even as a subscriber some of these have value, since inventory upgrades (and most of the one-time authorizations if you ever want to go F2P for a while) have the option to be account wide. They're usually a little over double the cost of the per-character cost, and apply to your entire account: even characters you make on other servers will have them.

    There are also consumables like temporary XP and Valor boosts, Fleet Passes, and medical probes (for in the field revives). There are sets of level 31 artifact (purple quality) armor, and level 15 and 43 single chest pieces. They're about the same quality as equivalent level artifact drops you might find rarely on enemies, but the main draw is that they are adaptive, which means the amount of armor matches the highest type of armor you can equip and everyone can equip them, opening up cosmetic choices that were previously only available to certain classes.

    One of the main draws will be the vanity items, such as unique speeders, vanity pets, and toys (like the carbonite chamber or rancor holo-replica). Additionally, there will be cartel packs for sale, which can contain items only found in the packs. For example, the Crime Lord's Cartel Pack contains: two rare bonus items with a chance of a super rare, one XP or social point boost consumable, one type of crafting material (how much I got seemed to depend on the quality: 10-20 for blue, 5 or so for purples), and one companion gift. The rare/super rare items can be mounts, vanity pets, empty adaptive armor, or toys like the sith meditation throne, etc. If you want these items but don't want to spend money/cartel coins to get them, don't despair! Whenever an item is bought on the market or found in the cartel packs, it has a cooldown during which it is bound to that person; after the cooldown is over (which is 3 days for free-to-play players and 2 days for subscribers), the item can then be sold on the galactic trade network or traded to other players.

    Might wanna add this to the first post, @Bogey
    Also might wanna spoiler the bulk of it since it ended up so big.

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  • That Dave FellaThat Dave Fella Registered User regular
    Man some of the restrictions for free to play people are really shitty.

    Can't hide your helm. Can't use legacy titles. I guess they're using stuff like that to try and cover the entire player base when trying to encourage people to buy cartel coins or sub.

    Not everyone likes raiding but dumb looking helms are a problem for everyone!

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Slower XP gain what the fuck?

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  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    Slower XP gain what the fuck?

    Yeah this is pretty shitty.

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    Slower XP gain what the fuck?

    Yeah this is pretty shitty.

    Afaik It is just that you can't get rested xp as a non-subscriber. I'm still amazed that they aren't selling extra character slots in twos, seems like that would be a good one for them, but I guess they really want those subs.

    On the plus side it's going to be nice to see my agent again :)

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    They really gutted this game for free to play huh? No sprint? Damn.

  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Eeeeh, no titles or legacy names?

    Eeeeeeeh...

    At least I don't have to buy the races for existing characters, right?

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  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    captaink wrote: »
    They really gutted this game for free to play huh? No sprint? Damn.

    I'm pretty sure you'll still get sprint, just not at level 1 if you're not preferred status (probably at the old level. think it was 14). Can't check for sure though, since I forgot to get on the test server for the short time they switched all the accounts to free-to-play (they're subscriber accounts again).

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    I'm just glad you can still sub

    because I'm not a fan of cash shops

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  • NikolaiNikolai SSSSSSSSSSS Registered User regular
    No titles or legacy names seems a bit harsh.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Seeing as how the "never paid a single cent" level of f2p is basically just a no-time-limit free trial, I don't really get the point of bitching about what it does or doesn't include. If they decided free players could only go to level 20 full stop, that'd be entirely fair.

  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Well, arguably the free players are getting access to the part of the game that makes the whole thing worthwhile.

    Its more of the principle of the matter that EA doesn't seem to know how to do F2P without being excessively exploitative.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    this is almost exactly how LOTRO does F2P, fyi

  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Huh, really? I'm more familiar with STO's method where the game itself didn't change all too much between sub and f2p aside from adding more microtransactions.

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  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    The way I see it an ideal F2P model if you're switching from subscriber only, and want to keep subscriptions, is you offer the full, or only slightly short of the full standard game for free, to entice people to get involved for free, and then offer a bunch of perks, money in the shop, convenience (I think convenience is the word I'm looking for. Spent 5 minutes trying to think of it, still don't know if it's right).

    Or in short, my perfect subscriber F2P model doesn't punish you for playing F2P, it rewards for for subscribing and paying money, and it feels like EA is going more for a "punish people into paying" method then "reward people for subscribing, and get people to spend money by making the game as appealing as possible for free" because if there's anything that can be learned from the recent crop of F2P games it's that if you make it possible to enjoy the game completely for free, 3/5 people will end up paying a shit ton of money on it.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Yeah, kinda. I think half of it is just the perception that they're outright putting some game-critical stuff behind the paywall.

    double XP, equipping purples, and the number of quickslots.

    I don't even know if this game is actually playable after a certain point with only two quickslots.

    Then again, if this was how it launched it probably wouldn't have been too bad. And I guess it depends on how cartel coins are going to be used, since they seem to be used for unlocking some of these things.

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  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    Really, though there's a whole bunch of things that annoy me about how they're doing it, what annoys me most is the species restrictions. It's just annoying. The ONE part of the game you're supposedly getting for free is the single player experience, but then they take away a huge part of the customization of your character right off the bat. I don't even know if you can buy other species using Cartel Coins or if you HAVE to be subscribed. IIRC I've heard you can pick a human, a cyborg, and a zabrak, and I think that might be it, but my main character I really want to play again is a Rattataki. Will I even be able to play her? Will she just be grayed out or unavailable for me to pick? And god help me if they just get rid of her.

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  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Really, though there's a whole bunch of things that annoy me about how they're doing it, what annoys me most is the species restrictions. It's just annoying. The ONE part of the game you're supposedly getting for free is the single player experience, but then they take away a huge part of the customization of your character right off the bat. I don't even know if you can buy other species using Cartel Coins or if you HAVE to be subscribed. IIRC I've heard you can pick a human, a cyborg, and a zabrak, and I think that might be it, but my main character I really want to play again is a Rattataki. Will I even be able to play her? Will she just be grayed out or unavailable for me to pick? And god help me if they just get rid of her.

    You'll be able to play any characters you made while subscribed, no matter what race they are. You'll have to pick which two character will be your active ones in a patch coming after F2P launch, though you'll be able to play them all until the patch. Additionally, if you had bought any of the species unlocks with in-game credits, those species will always be available in character creation. Same deal if you buy a species unlock with cartel coins in the future.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Try to keep in mind that the most restrictive...restrictions are for people who've never paid or played at all. So try not to freak out about losing the things you've already own.

    Personally, I know that the first thing I'll be doing with my freebie coins is buying Chiss. I used Cyborg and Rattataki for IA and BH, and coming up with the coins is a lot easier for me than coming up with a duplicate class 50 or the millions in credits.

  • BogeyBogey I'm back, baby! Santa Monica, CAModerator mod
    Oh hey, I still play this sometimes! I'm mostly on the Republic side nowadays since I'm just working on finishing all 8 single-player storylines. I would really really love it if others were around so we could do the new Ops, Flashpoints and Heroics though!

    PS. Thanks, Eits! I replaced the old OP with your F2P Guide.

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  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Now the most pressing question for me is, will I be able to make my helmet invisible? I wanna see my girls' face when beats some goons' skull in on her way to collect a bounty.

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  • BogeyBogey I'm back, baby! Santa Monica, CAModerator mod
    That's been an option for months and months!

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    I have uninstalled now :(

  • BogeyBogey I'm back, baby! Santa Monica, CAModerator mod
    Well now you've gone and just ruined my holiday season. :(

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    I bought a month because my account told me I'd get even more cartel coins if I did before the F2P patch.

  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Now the most pressing question for me is, will I be able to make my helmet invisible? I wanna see my girls' face when beats some goons' skull in on her way to collect a bounty.

    If you switch to F2P (or preferred status, rather), you won't have access to the hide helmet option. I checked the test realm and couldn't see the account-wide cost because of a bug, but per character the unlock was 350 cartel coins, so probably about 700-750 for account-wide, however much that ends up being in real dollars.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Yeah I'm resubbing right now so I get cartel coins

  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    I bought a month because my account told me I'd get even more cartel coins if I did before the F2P patch.

    They actually extended that to December 20th (in that, if you subscribe before then you get the coins for past months you'd subscribed), although I don't think you'd get the 250 bonus if you do subscribe later, since it says that bonus is specifically for being a subscriber at the launch of F2P.

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  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    Bogey wrote: »
    That's been an option for months and months!

    I mean as a free to play player.

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  • Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2012
    You gotta pay to have a face.
    In Soviet Russia, you pay to NOT wear hat in video game.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    This is kinda just in time cause I'm starting to get bored with WoW again and miss this game a lot

  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    If I unsub, do I lose the cartel coins I have?

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    I bought a month because my account told me I'd get even more cartel coins if I did before the F2P patch.

    They actually extended that to December 20th (in that, if you subscribe before then you get the coins for past months you'd subscribed), although I don't think you'd get the 250 bonus if you do subscribe later, since it says that bonus is specifically for being a subscriber at the launch of F2P.

    It had me down for coins for all of the previous months and then told me I'd get even more if I subbed, so I did.

    Probably going to save the coins for whenever they make Togruta available.

  • BogeyBogey I'm back, baby! Santa Monica, CAModerator mod
    edited November 2012
    I hear the servers are finally up, looking forward to getting my own HK.

    I need a Guildie to go with me on the Heroic 2+ for it!

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  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    There's been some more server merges, so some of your old characters might need to be renamed. Also your chat/some other UI settings will go back to default, since those are stored by server and even if your server stayed the same (The Bastion did, we just got more people sent to us), the server numbers changed for some reason. If you want your old settings, they're in C:\Users\[name]\AppData\Local\SWTOR\swtor\settings. Files will be named he0000_CharacterName_PlayerGUIState.ini, where the number is the server. You can just delete the new server file and rename the old one, changing the number (The Bastion used to be 2040, and is now 2000, for example).

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    Kept all my character names. I still need to redo my legacy name.

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Hey, so I have a question about these Legacy Class unlocks.

    Am I reading this right, and I would have to first level a character to 10 to play with the race I want to be?

    I can't just buy it right at the start?

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  • YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    Level 10 is when you make your legacy.

  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Unfortunately, yeah. Even more unfortunately, it actually requires level 30ish. Instead of just having a separate thing for the cartel market unlocks, they basically just made it so you can buy the unlocks with cartel coins instead of game money, which means you actually need to unlock your Legacy first which happens roughly around level 30 (end of Act 1 of your class storyline).

    Edit: Whoops, just checked the patch notes and Legacy is now unlocked at level 10.

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