I think with BTAS Freeze that he wouldn't allow Bruce to help him because he wouldn't trust anyone after he was betrayed by the last guy who he thought was going to help him, who was, incidentally, a WayneCorp executive.
Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.
wait so
making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?
Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.
wait so
making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?
Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.
wait so
making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?
I'd have never guessed
Wait I am saying is that he was already written as a delusional insane person by most writers
Gotham Central opened up with him murdering some cops while being involved in a kidnapping
The Secret Society of Supervillains recruited him after he froze everyone at his trial, civilian witnesses included, alive
by having his love for Nora still be there, but be grounded in his delusional psychosis it allows for him to have both kinds of stories told without feeling like writers are treating him terribly or out-of-character
but you're probably just going to respond with something assholeish anyways
if you have Freeze be strictly sympathetic and his only goal in life is to cure Nora
well
that works great for one or two stories and then just falls flat on its' face
I love BTAS' version, obviously, but the dude only showed up for 3(maybe 4? I forget) episodes in the entire series.
Whereas Freeze will be showing up in comics quite more often.
So unless he cures Nora and then becomes a superhero or something, which I guess you could do? You have to give him a reason for being a proper supervillain.
Here's Scott Snyder, the dude who wrote the story and is current writer of Batman and Swamp Thing, explaining why he did it:
Just want you to know, it was a labor of love. I adore Freeze and was simply trying to bring the two versions of him together in one. My feeling was – there are these two ways he’s portrayed. 1 – he’s trying to save/heal/thaw Nora. This is the version in Heart of Ice and Sub Zero – my fav Freeze stories. But then there’s this 2nd version that I love that gets used alot – the Freeze who wants to freeze the world. So my idea – was to try to combine them into one version that had the best of both. For me, it doesn’t make him less sympathetic to love someone he never knew – I find that so sad and strangely haunting, just personally. And the obsession with the unattainable makes him closer to batman. But i totally understand if it didn’t do it for you – thx for reading.
–Scott Snyder
a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great
a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great
if you have Freeze be strictly sympathetic and his only goal in life is to cure Nora
well
that works great for one or two stories and then just falls flat on its' face
I love BTAS' version, obviously, but the dude only showed up for 3(maybe 4? I forget) episodes in the entire series.
Whereas Freeze will be showing up in comics quite more often.
So unless he cures Nora and then becomes a superhero or something, which I guess you could do? You have to give him a reason for being a proper supervillain.
He can be delusional and obsessed with Nora without making Nora not actually his wife, I think. Just explain that what happened to him basically killed any sense of empathy within him. His love for Nora is the only spark of humanity left. Everything else is cold rage against the world that he cannot be a part of, filled with liars and betrayers.
a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great
Retired super villain
hanging out with his wife
all teaching part time at the local community college
until Joker shows up and murders the whole school because he misses Mr. Popsicle Pants
"Ooops, yeah, we threw your wife in some ice water, and well I guess she got hypothermia. Hilarious!"
anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
The thing is Nora isn't his wife now. She was a woman who was frozen decades ago and Victor fell in love with her while writing his college thesis over the experimental cryotech procedure used to freeze her.
anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
The thing is Nora isn't his wife now. She was a woman who was frozen decades ago and Victor fell in love with her while writing his college thesis over the experimental cryotech procedure used to freeze her.
yep
love it
same undertones of loss and melancholy without the massive dangling loose end that nora was
Why does Freeze have to keep showing up anyway? I liked that he was sparsely used in BTAS. Made each story have more meaning and felt less artificial.
Because comics are a serialized medium and there are currently four ongoing titles starring Batman as well as half-a-dozen others starring members of the Bat-Family
dude is gonna show up at some point, he is a prominent member of the Rogue's Gallery
It is different from BTAS where they could play around with anything they wanted and only had to worry about their own schedule
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Wikipedia says it was Gothcorp.
http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Ferris_Boyle
GothCorp ain't WayneCorp
they are different companies
man I get the blinders on sometimes
still though, Bruce was apparently a major shareholder in GothCorp
wait so
making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?
I'd have never guessed
Well yeah why do you think we keep you around?
I agree.
Gotham Central opened up with him murdering some cops while being involved in a kidnapping
The Secret Society of Supervillains recruited him after he froze everyone at his trial, civilian witnesses included, alive
by having his love for Nora still be there, but be grounded in his delusional psychosis it allows for him to have both kinds of stories told without feeling like writers are treating him terribly or out-of-character
but you're probably just going to respond with something assholeish anyways
seems to me like writers should probably just stop writing bad ideas
if you have Freeze be strictly sympathetic and his only goal in life is to cure Nora
well
that works great for one or two stories and then just falls flat on its' face
I love BTAS' version, obviously, but the dude only showed up for 3(maybe 4? I forget) episodes in the entire series.
Whereas Freeze will be showing up in comics quite more often.
So unless he cures Nora and then becomes a superhero or something, which I guess you could do? You have to give him a reason for being a proper supervillain.
or maybe he's just like
really afraid of succeeding, deep down
They did that with Riddler a few years back and it was fantastic.
He can be delusional and obsessed with Nora without making Nora not actually his wife, I think. Just explain that what happened to him basically killed any sense of empathy within him. His love for Nora is the only spark of humanity left. Everything else is cold rage against the world that he cannot be a part of, filled with liars and betrayers.
Retired super villain
hanging out with his wife
all teaching part time at the local community college
until Joker shows up and murders the whole school because he misses Mr. Popsicle Pants
"Ooops, yeah, we threw your wife in some ice water, and well I guess she got hypothermia. Hilarious!"
at the climax of their team-up story the only way to thwart the villain
is for batman to deliver an ice pun
Also you guys are asking a lot for what was once just a straight up joke character. Captain Cold got more respect. Captain Cold.
Blue collar, unionized supervillains are the best
I'm sure he's perfectly rad, but he looks goofy.
and the glasses are actual things that people wear in the Arctic and whatnot due to the glare off of ice and snow
anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
I think the glasses are definitely goofy, but since Manapul said they are real things that exist I stopped caring
otherwise I think that is a perfectly fine design
way less goofy than his past one
yep
love it
same undertones of loss and melancholy without the massive dangling loose end that nora was
That's a real thing too, but it's pretty silly.
anyway, my point was Mr. Freeze was a joke until BTAS. they also resolved the nora story line in that, and he didn't stop being a crime guy.
well except Heat Wave
Heat Wave's is fucking terrible
when are we going to see geoff john's exciting new take on killer frost
dude is gonna show up at some point, he is a prominent member of the Rogue's Gallery
It is different from BTAS where they could play around with anything they wanted and only had to worry about their own schedule