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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    I think with BTAS Freeze that he wouldn't allow Bruce to help him because he wouldn't trust anyone after he was betrayed by the last guy who he thought was going to help him, who was, incidentally, a WayneCorp executive.
    Wasn't it a separate company in TAS?

    Wikipedia says it was Gothcorp.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Nope.

    http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Ferris_Boyle
    Ferris Boyle was the CEO of GothCorp.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Uh Centi

    GothCorp ain't WayneCorp

    they are different companies

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    riiiiiiight

    man I get the blinders on sometimes

    still though, Bruce was apparently a major shareholder in GothCorp

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    riiiiiiight

    man I get the blinders on sometimes

    still though, Bruce was apparently a major shareholder in GothCorp
    Yeah but only after the Freeze incident

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.

    wait so

    making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?

    I'd have never guessed

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I stick by my assertion that Freeze doesn't want to trust anyone besides himself

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.

    wait so

    making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?

    I'd have never guessed

    Well yeah why do you think we keep you around?

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    that remark makes about as much sense as a blankzilla opinion

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I stick by my assertion that Freeze doesn't want to trust anyone besides himself

    I agree.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Freeze is still sympathetic, as he is still attempting to save a woman he loves, but he is a straight up villain now which allows for more interesting and in-character stories.

    wait so

    making a character an outright villainous delusional insane person makes them more interesting?

    I'd have never guessed
    Wait I am saying is that he was already written as a delusional insane person by most writers

    Gotham Central opened up with him murdering some cops while being involved in a kidnapping

    The Secret Society of Supervillains recruited him after he froze everyone at his trial, civilian witnesses included, alive

    by having his love for Nora still be there, but be grounded in his delusional psychosis it allows for him to have both kinds of stories told without feeling like writers are treating him terribly or out-of-character

    but you're probably just going to respond with something assholeish anyways

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    I don't really think the solution to a bunch of bad ideas is another bad idea

    seems to me like writers should probably just stop writing bad ideas

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yet again

    if you have Freeze be strictly sympathetic and his only goal in life is to cure Nora

    well

    that works great for one or two stories and then just falls flat on its' face

    I love BTAS' version, obviously, but the dude only showed up for 3(maybe 4? I forget) episodes in the entire series.

    Whereas Freeze will be showing up in comics quite more often.

    So unless he cures Nora and then becomes a superhero or something, which I guess you could do? You have to give him a reason for being a proper supervillain.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Here's Scott Snyder, the dude who wrote the story and is current writer of Batman and Swamp Thing, explaining why he did it:
    Just want you to know, it was a labor of love. I adore Freeze and was simply trying to bring the two versions of him together in one. My feeling was – there are these two ways he’s portrayed. 1 – he’s trying to save/heal/thaw Nora. This is the version in Heart of Ice and Sub Zero – my fav Freeze stories. But then there’s this 2nd version that I love that gets used alot – the Freeze who wants to freeze the world. So my idea – was to try to combine them into one version that had the best of both. For me, it doesn’t make him less sympathetic to love someone he never knew – I find that so sad and strangely haunting, just personally. And the obsession with the unattainable makes him closer to batman. But i totally understand if it didn’t do it for you – thx for reading.
    –Scott Snyder

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great

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    JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    well maybe his delusional psychosis is that if he has anyone help him in his quest, it would be doomed to failure

    or maybe he's just like

    really afraid of succeeding, deep down

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I'd have no problem with Freeze becoming a hero!

    They did that with Riddler a few years back and it was fantastic.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Yet again

    if you have Freeze be strictly sympathetic and his only goal in life is to cure Nora

    well

    that works great for one or two stories and then just falls flat on its' face

    I love BTAS' version, obviously, but the dude only showed up for 3(maybe 4? I forget) episodes in the entire series.

    Whereas Freeze will be showing up in comics quite more often.

    So unless he cures Nora and then becomes a superhero or something, which I guess you could do? You have to give him a reason for being a proper supervillain.

    He can be delusional and obsessed with Nora without making Nora not actually his wife, I think. Just explain that what happened to him basically killed any sense of empathy within him. His love for Nora is the only spark of humanity left. Everything else is cold rage against the world that he cannot be a part of, filled with liars and betrayers.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    sad and strangely haunting, like that guy always wearing a fedora that hangs out at the bus stop all afternoon every day

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I want a freeze gun that is activated and powered by ice puns

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    a properly-planned arc where freeze is a bad guy and then after that business he gets his shit sorted out and gets forgiveness and has redemptions and then becomes a good guy would be pretty great

    Retired super villain

    hanging out with his wife

    all teaching part time at the local community college

    until Joker shows up and murders the whole school because he misses Mr. Popsicle Pants

    "Ooops, yeah, we threw your wife in some ice water, and well I guess she got hypothermia. Hilarious!"

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I want a freeze gun that is activated and powered by ice puns

    at the climax of their team-up story the only way to thwart the villain

    is for batman to deliver an ice pun

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    in BTAS he did cure Nora. she was scared of him and left him, thus began his crime spree once more.

    Also you guys are asking a lot for what was once just a straight up joke character. Captain Cold got more respect. Captain Cold.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    in BTAS he did cure Nora. she was scared of him and left him, thus began his crime spree once more.

    Also you guys are asking a lot for what was once just a straight up joke character. Captain Cold got more respect. Captain Cold.
    Captain Cold is pretty fuckin' rad though

    Blue collar, unionized supervillains are the best

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    well he is a Captain

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    he wears a parka and the mole man's glasses.

    I'm sure he's perfectly rad, but he looks goofy.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    he wears a parka and the mole man's glasses.

    I'm sure he's perfectly rad, but he looks goofy.
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    and the glasses are actual things that people wear in the Arctic and whatnot due to the glare off of ice and snow

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    what's the deal with snyder's new freeze?

    anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    what's the deal with snyder's new freeze?

    anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
    The thing is Nora isn't his wife now. She was a woman who was frozen decades ago and Victor fell in love with her while writing his college thesis over the experimental cryotech procedure used to freeze her.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    I'm going to level with you blank, that image isn't helping with the "looks goofy" complaint.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Eh

    I think the glasses are definitely goofy, but since Manapul said they are real things that exist I stopped caring

    otherwise I think that is a perfectly fine design

    way less goofy than his past one

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    hooded vests do not do much for the not-goofy look

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    what's the deal with snyder's new freeze?

    anyway i'm with blank on this one. either the nora storyline has to get resolved or it has to become this creepy thing that hangs over his head forever. like, freeze becomes this dude who keeps his dead wife at home in the fridge and can never bring himself to get rid of her.
    The thing is Nora isn't his wife now. She was a woman who was frozen decades ago and Victor fell in love with her while writing his college thesis over the experimental cryotech procedure used to freeze her.

    yep
    love it

    same undertones of loss and melancholy without the massive dangling loose end that nora was

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    he's wearing a sleeveless vest with a hood.

    That's a real thing too, but it's pretty silly.


    anyway, my point was Mr. Freeze was a joke until BTAS. they also resolved the nora story line in that, and he didn't stop being a crime guy.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Really I think all of the Rogue's redesigns are pretty great:
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    well except Heat Wave

    Heat Wave's is fucking terrible

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    the new 52 has been pretty good to the cold-themed villains

    when are we going to see geoff john's exciting new take on killer frost

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    The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Why does Freeze have to keep showing up anyway? I liked that he was sparsely used in BTAS. Made each story have more meaning and felt less artificial.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    who are staff dude and glowing lady?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Why does Freeze have to keep showing up anyway? I liked that he was sparsely used in BTAS. Made each story have more meaning and felt less artificial.
    Because comics are a serialized medium and there are currently four ongoing titles starring Batman as well as half-a-dozen others starring members of the Bat-Family

    dude is gonna show up at some point, he is a prominent member of the Rogue's Gallery

    It is different from BTAS where they could play around with anything they wanted and only had to worry about their own schedule

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