Robo-EDI is a stupid design which is her biggest problem. Giving her a general purpose mech body, like a repurposed LOKI or something would have been a much better idea. Still, she was one of my favorite ME2 characters so I'm glad she gets more screentime.
Also, its kind of nostalgic to have people flipping out about new squadmates again. Reminds me of JackSUBJECT ZERO's reveal, and Samara's. Also Legion's.
Why would EDI's design not be humanoid? She genuinely cares about the crew she doesn't think Mind IMing with Legion is polite. Its pretty clear she's more comfortable acting like a person than a computer.[\spoiler]
LOKIs are humanoid, and even just a general purpose androgynous body would be better than 'sexy infiltration unit'.
Plus... spoilers from the leaked story
Its not her body, they take it after Cerberus uses it to try to kill them on Mars and shove EDI into it at some point.
maybe
EDI just wants to look sexy
I mean if you had your choice of body you probably wouldn't go with "general purpose androgyne"
Prothean: I actually think the idea & design of this guy is pretty cool. My main issue is that he's a DLC character.
I didn't play DA2, so I don't know how they handled that prince guy who was in the CE, but Zaeed, Kasumi and Shale from DA1 were just cardboard cutouts that said canned funny things outside of their one mission. That, coupled with the fact he seems to be treated as a 'core' character (see: the powers list from a few pages back), makes me feel like the game is being shorted a 'real' character to shoehorn in some dlc.
Robo-EDI: Why? Just Why? Pandering to robosexuals? I just see no reason for a sexy robot to even exist in the game, let alone be a squad member.
The lack of ME2 guys: not even one? we have to endure the remaining dullard twin & broseph mcmeaty & hookerbot 5000, but not a single member of the team of the best the galaxy had to offer? 4 out of the 6 love interests are gone. so instead of "we're heading into an impossible situation right now, lets make the most of the few hours we have" I guess it will be "I guess I can drop off the macguffin whenever, lets head to [location] so I can get the priiiize one last time"
Also: wtf, no krogan?
Kasumi and Zaeed cutout characters? What are you smoking?
Like I said, you get just one real conversation with each. Real characters got 4-6 each and showed up in the various briefing/conflict/etc scenes. Both could potentially been love interests as real characters.
I love Kasumi and like Zaeed well enough, but they are obviously second class citizens onboard the normandy
Robo-EDI is a stupid design which is her biggest problem. Giving her a general purpose mech body, like a repurposed LOKI or something would have been a much better idea. Still, she was one of my favorite ME2 characters so I'm glad she gets more screentime.
Also, its kind of nostalgic to have people flipping out about new squadmates again. Reminds me of JackSUBJECT ZERO's reveal, and Samara's. Also Legion's.
Why would EDI's design not be humanoid? She genuinely cares about the crew she doesn't think Mind IMing with Legion is polite. Its pretty clear she's more comfortable acting like a person than a computer.[\spoiler]
LOKIs are humanoid, and even just a general purpose androgynous body would be better than 'sexy infiltration unit'.
Plus... spoilers from the leaked story
Its not her body, they take it after Cerberus uses it to try to kill them on Mars and shove EDI into it at some point.
maybe
EDI just wants to look sexy
I mean if you had your choice of body you probably wouldn't go with "general purpose androgyne"
If I was an AI that didn't have a sex drive?
I think I would. But mild bitching aside, I am glad EDI gets a big role.
Robo-EDI is a stupid design which is her biggest problem. Giving her a general purpose mech body, like a repurposed LOKI or something would have been a much better idea. Still, she was one of my favorite ME2 characters so I'm glad she gets more screentime.
Also, its kind of nostalgic to have people flipping out about new squadmates again. Reminds me of JackSUBJECT ZERO's reveal, and Samara's. Also Legion's.
Why would EDI's design not be humanoid? She genuinely cares about the crew she doesn't think Mind IMing with Legion is polite. Its pretty clear she's more comfortable acting like a person than a computer.[\spoiler]
LOKIs are humanoid, and even just a general purpose androgynous body would be better than 'sexy infiltration unit'.
Plus... spoilers from the leaked story
Its not her body, they take it after Cerberus uses it to try to kill them on Mars and shove EDI into it at some point.
maybe
EDI just wants to look sexy
I mean if you had your choice of body you probably wouldn't go with "general purpose androgyne"
If I was an AI that didn't have a sex drive?
I think I would. But mild bitching aside, I am glad EDI gets a big role.
I think it's clear that EDI isn't emotionless, she may not have a sex drive but she probably understands aesthetics and that it feels good to look good
I mean Salarians are basically asexual outside a small slice of their lives but Mordin still grooms himself
Are we sure this is the full list of squadmates due to the real spoilery stuff I haven't looked at? Because it seems like there could be one or two more, based on some vague comments from awhile ago. That, or a possibility I don't want to think about.
Well, I couldn't help myself and I peeked. Spoiler-opinion about the first art-piece.
Makes sense they'd at least give EDI a body because I doubt the Alliance would let her stay online in the Normandy after they started taking it apart. "Oh crap, an AI! Kill it! Kill it quick!"
Considering how much of the SR-2's capability was based on EDI, I expect she's both shipboard AI and mobile platform. At the very least the concept art suggests her chassis can link in with the ship.
eh, if it's the design you have a problem with, i'd say that's just a result of Bioware playing to their base
the average gamer is pretty chauvinistic (even if they don't mean to be), and i don't think the average design decision is lifting itself from that ghetto anytime soon
Yeah, all of that is exactly what I have a problem with.
there was really nothing to suggest those statues were of actual protheans rather than artistic symbols
like we have statues of lions and griffins and shit outside of important places
and when it was established that Collectors are modified Protheans, I'm pretty sure they didn't change them all the way from squids to bugs
There's no more information to say that they didn't retcon it and those were always intended to be art than there is to say that they did. Personally, I always assumed those were supposed to be protheans, since that seemed a reasonable interpretation. It's not as if Bioware has never retconned anything, like, say, ammunition.
Not that it's anything to get mad about, since they obviously have an easy way to explain it and it was never explicit, but getting kneejerk angry like NeoGaffers or not isn't the same as whether or not it's a retcon. Like I said, ammo was a retcon and it was an excellent choice.
Are we sure this is the full list of squadmates due to the real spoilery stuff I haven't looked at? Because it seems like there could be one or two more, based on some vague comments from awhile ago. That, or a possibility I don't want to think about.
there was really nothing to suggest those statues were of actual protheans rather than artistic symbols
like we have statues of lions and griffins and shit outside of important places
and when it was established that Collectors are modified Protheans, I'm pretty sure they didn't change them all the way from squids to bugs
There's no more information to say that they didn't retcon it and those were always intended to be art than there is to say that they did. Personally, I always assumed those were supposed to be protheans, since that seemed a reasonable interpretation. It's not as if Bioware has never retconned anything, like, say, ammunition.
Not that it's anything to get mad about, since they obviously have an easy way to explain it and it was never explicit, but getting kneejerk angry like NeoGaffers or not isn't the same as whether or not it's a retcon. Like I said, ammo was a retcon and it was an excellent choice.
even if it is a retcon I thought it was clear back in ME2, even with genetic tampering squids don't just turn into bugs
though in the ME1 days my argument for them being art was their uniformity, while Lion statues will often be identical, humans tend to have distinct poses and features
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Umm...it might not even be...
A retcon. I'm thinking it might be a Proethan that was experimented on by the Reapers and somehow managed to keep his intelligence. Maybe an early test subject or something?
A retcon. I'm thinking it might be a Proethan that was experimented on my the Reapers and somehow managed to keep his intelligence. Unless he found some other way to stay alive for 50000 years.
I'm guessing we will find a bunch of Protheans in cryo somewhere
A retcon. I'm thinking it might be a Proethan that was experimented on my the Reapers and somehow managed to keep his intelligence. Unless he found some other way to stay alive for 50000 years.
Well you can tell the differences between the Samurai and a full Collector
I figure he was either part of the Ilos team and found some hidden stasis chamber on the Citadel, or he was just some guy who shot himself into deep space and eventually bumped into the Normandy
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A retcon. I'm thinking it might be a Proethan that was experimented on my the Reapers and somehow managed to keep his intelligence. Unless he found some other way to stay alive for 50000 years.
Well you can tell the differences between the Samurai and a full Collector
I figure he was either part of the Ilos team and found some hidden stasis chamber on the Citadel, or he was just some guy who shot himself into deep space and eventually bumped into the Normandy
I'm not too sure...
Remember the Proetheans that left Vigil had a hard enough time keeping themselves alive all those millenia ago.
And remember the Reapers also have stasis tech, that might be a lot more advanced than anything they had.
Is there anyway I could just give them triple the normal price of a game and get every promotion/marketing/dlc thing that exists day one? I mean, I'm more than happy to pay more than normal JUST FOR THE GAME. I certainly wouldn't mind cutting out all the EA bullshit and just be able to buy the full game.
there's like no part of me that isn't tickled pink by this news
EDIT: also, there is a part of me that has currently locked itself in a room and is vigorously imagining tali and edi doing unspeakable things with shepard
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Is there anyway I could just give them triple the normal price of a game and get every promotion/marketing/dlc thing that exists day one? I mean, I'm more than happy to pay more than normal JUST FOR THE GAME. I certainly wouldn't mind cutting out all the EA bullshit and just be able to buy the full game.
Well, aside from whatever multiplayer trinket nonsense is included with those figurines, and the collector AR which might also be MP-only, you can get everything with the N7 from Gamestop, right? Oh, and the Origin shotgun. But nearly.
how do we know the second character is the DLC squaddie?
i'm not seeing anything in the scans saying that it is
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So my console went down with an E68 error and apparently the hard drive was at fault. Ringing up microsoft, this means that all of my saved games are gone and I've lost everything. I have lost all three of my characters with various decisions and effort. This is so fucking shit. I so hope ME3 lets me make some of the base choices of the first two games in some manner, or I am going to be really unhappy. I am not going anywhere near ME again - but I could probably play ME2 (minding, there are other things I want to do, like reclaim my progress in my lost 90ish hour save game of Skyrim ).
I'm pretty sure there's some voodoo way of exporting 360 saves to PC and editing them, then importing them. Someone probably knows more; if you could find some files like that to start, and provided you have whatever it requires, that might work?
how do we know the second character is the DLC squaddie?
i'm not seeing anything in the scans saying that it is
A loooooong time ago the collector's edition information picture originally said "The Prothean" mission and squadmate. It was updated to just say a downloadable character, and Chris Priestly the community manager said it had been outdated information. His job includes lying about things like that on the forums, though, since he also said the same thing about Kasumi until her release, so odds were pretty good it was a prothean.
I'm pretty sure there's some voodoo way of exporting 360 saves to PC and editing them, then importing them. Someone probably knows more; if you could find some files like that to start, and provided you have whatever it requires, that might work?
I will probably try to give that a shot, but I honestly can't play through ME again. It's just not something I can do, let alone 3 times or whatever it would be. Guess I'll just have to put up with whatever "default" is present in ME3.
So my console went down with an E68 error and apparently the hard drive was at fault. Ringing up microsoft, this means that all of my saved games are gone and I've lost everything. I have lost all three of my characters with various decisions and effort. This is so fucking shit. I so hope ME3 lets me make some of the base choices of the first two games in some manner, or I am going to be really unhappy. I am not going anywhere near ME again - but I could probably play ME2 (minding, there are other things I want to do, like reclaim my progress in my lost 90ish hour save game of Skyrim ).
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The irony there is that my computer - the one that isn't a USB toaster - is also down after having a mainboard failure.
I have literally had the worst year in my entire life for electronic equipment failing on me.
the reason we don't get ME2 characters again is that some or all of them might be dead.
which is kind of unfortunate since I wish a couple of them were coming back, but oh well
Well they have said pretty often that they are having wayy more missions with temporary squadmates like LotSB so the permanent crew may not mean as much as it did in the past
so I think we will be seeing quite a few of them again
I'm pretty sure there's some voodoo way of exporting 360 saves to PC and editing them, then importing them. Someone probably knows more; if you could find some files like that to start, and provided you have whatever it requires, that might work?
I will probably try to give that a shot, but I honestly can't play through ME again. It's just not something I can do, let alone 3 times or whatever it would be. Guess I'll just have to put up with whatever "default" is present in ME3.
So unhappy right now.
Its pretty easy.
Basically make an ME1 save. Go into the editor. Mark whatever you want done then check you beat the game.
Port it to me2 repeat the process. I'd probably beat the suicide mission mission to make sure its all kosher.
Then you should be fine for three.
You need modio a thumb drive and gibbed save editor. Should take you all of three hours AND your Conrad will act correctly.
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the reason we don't get ME2 characters again is that some or all of them might be dead.
which is kind of unfortunate since I wish a couple of them were coming back, but oh well
Well they have said pretty often that they are having wayy more missions with temporary squadmates like LotSB so the permanent crew may not mean as much as it did in the past
so I think we will be seeing quite a few of them again
Still, not the same.
Considering how bioware have shoehorned the story previously (and will likely do so in me3), they could just have cerberus resurrect the dead party members for me3.
or perhaps just pull the old "it was all a dream!" trick.
Well then you might want to get your ears(eyes?) checked. The alternative is playing through some 80 hours of game time at least twice. Even discounting the comic dlc if he's trying to avoid playing through two entire games multiple timesthe editor is the easiest way to make sure it's exactly what you want with little effort.
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None of the ME2-only team made it in? Given how she was near-unkillable, a love interest and newly unemployed I figured Miranda would have been a certainty at the least.
Jacob Taylor for XO, it's the best role for him anyway, and we wouldn't have to take him off the ship.
But now he'll probably be back on Eden Prime, so him and Ashley will have to team up to do something there.
Well, I couldn't help myself and I peeked. Spoiler-opinion about the first art-piece.
Makes sense they'd at least give EDI a body because I doubt the Alliance would let her stay online in the Normandy after they started taking it apart. "Oh crap, an AI! Kill it! Kill it quick!"
I figured it was the Alliance's way of keeping the Normandy "on the up and up" and still have an AI around. The Council probably wouldn't like a full on battleship with an AI, but a single robot without gun and missile attachments could be okay.
I'm more curious as to what class she'll be. I mean, obviously she's Tech, but I'm wondering if she'll be more like Legion or Garrus insofar as being a Tech/Attack character than just straight-up Tech like Tali.
The text from the scan says "Since the body is an infiltration unit that once had skin over the metal, we decided she should have the same facial effects as the other humans. Otherwise the unit would be easily spotted." So a LOKI mech wouldn't fit what they're apparently doing with EDI, and really, I'd be a bit disappointed if she didn't have a unique model. The whole sexy bit is a little strange to me, but it is just concept art.
Sexy for Joker, mark my words.
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You know, when they put up Nelson's statue I have to assume it sort of looks like Nelson.
Prothean Samurai's probably going to explain how squid-men are a symbol of knowledge/science because something something tentacles whatever
I never was one of those who was all that convinced that the creepy squid statues were supposed to be what Protheans looks like, anyway. I don't get the insistance that "that must be what they look(ed) like because that's what I thought, even though there was no evidence!" Gargoyles are a common sight on older architecture. Imagine if yumanity was wiped out and all anyone had to go on for what we looked like was a single building and that building had gargoyles on it. Now they might assume that we look like gargoyles, and be disappointed if they met one of us, since we we don't have leathery wings or horns or anything.
Not a retcon at all. Just the fan base jumping to conclusions and being annoyed that they were way off.
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the reason we don't get ME2 characters again is that some or all of them might be dead.
which is kind of unfortunate since I wish a couple of them were coming back, but oh well
Thing is...we actually do have 2 ME2 characters...but they're both ME1 characters too.
I would have liked having at least one of the strictly ME2 guys come back but whatever. As long as their side missions are cool I won't mind much.
On the above conversation...
Actually wasn't one of Shepard's visions basically the Prothean during their last moments? And wasn't that same scene in ME2 just with an additional image of the Collectors?
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EDI just wants to look sexy
I mean if you had your choice of body you probably wouldn't go with "general purpose androgyne"
Like I said, you get just one real conversation with each. Real characters got 4-6 each and showed up in the various briefing/conflict/etc scenes. Both could potentially been love interests as real characters.
I love Kasumi and like Zaeed well enough, but they are obviously second class citizens onboard the normandy
I think I would. But mild bitching aside, I am glad EDI gets a big role.
I mean Salarians are basically asexual outside a small slice of their lives but Mordin still grooms himself
Yeah, all of that is exactly what I have a problem with.
Not that it's anything to get mad about, since they obviously have an easy way to explain it and it was never explicit, but getting kneejerk angry like NeoGaffers or not isn't the same as whether or not it's a retcon. Like I said, ammo was a retcon and it was an excellent choice.
I said the worst, not THE ABYSS
I went to the official forums looking for the scans, and found a thread with the subject: "WHO GAY AND WHO NOT"
Thinking back on how much Bioware reps talk about how reading their forums is important to them, I can't help but think...why??
There are worse places.
Do I really need to remind you guys of Gamefaqs and Something Awful?
though in the ME1 days my argument for them being art was their uniformity, while Lion statues will often be identical, humans tend to have distinct poses and features
I figure he was either part of the Ilos team and found some hidden stasis chamber on the Citadel, or he was just some guy who shot himself into deep space and eventually bumped into the Normandy
I'm not too sure...
And remember the Reapers also have stasis tech, that might be a lot more advanced than anything they had.
Because if so
GOTYAY
At least those forums are occasionally positive.
Yeah, before they get shouted down by the people constantly finding flaws with every aspect of the game
I will admit its pretty useful sometimes for all the information some of those guys have got together
re: secret characters:
AND
SPACE YOSHIMITSU?
i am fucking HYPED.
seriously
there's like no part of me that isn't tickled pink by this news
EDIT: also, there is a part of me that has currently locked itself in a room and is vigorously imagining tali and edi doing unspeakable things with shepard
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Some comments previously about no new LIs and then them changing their mind on that contributes to my leeriness about this leaked news.
Well, aside from whatever multiplayer trinket nonsense is included with those figurines, and the collector AR which might also be MP-only, you can get everything with the N7 from Gamestop, right? Oh, and the Origin shotgun. But nearly.
i'm not seeing anything in the scans saying that it is
It was changed pretty quick though
Oh that is going to be even more amusing that it was in two.
I will probably try to give that a shot, but I honestly can't play through ME again. It's just not something I can do, let alone 3 times or whatever it would be. Guess I'll just have to put up with whatever "default" is present in ME3.
So unhappy right now.
This is your punishment for not using Steam like a civilized person.
I have literally had the worst year in my entire life for electronic equipment failing on me.
I know that feel
My 360 bricked along side my computer a couple of years ago.
I've backed up all my 360 saves on my PC since I lost several Shepards in a hard drive reformat about 10 months ago.
which is kind of unfortunate since I wish a couple of them were coming back, but oh well
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Well they have said pretty often that they are having wayy more missions with temporary squadmates like LotSB so the permanent crew may not mean as much as it did in the past
so I think we will be seeing quite a few of them again
Its pretty easy.
Basically make an ME1 save. Go into the editor. Mark whatever you want done then check you beat the game.
Port it to me2 repeat the process. I'd probably beat the suicide mission mission to make sure its all kosher.
Then you should be fine for three.
You need modio a thumb drive and gibbed save editor. Should take you all of three hours AND your Conrad will act correctly.
Still, not the same.
Considering how bioware have shoehorned the story previously (and will likely do so in me3), they could just have cerberus resurrect the dead party members for me3.
or perhaps just pull the old "it was all a dream!" trick.
....
Are you fucking serious?
No, really. What?
Well then you might want to get your ears(eyes?) checked. The alternative is playing through some 80 hours of game time at least twice. Even discounting the comic dlc if he's trying to avoid playing through two entire games multiple timesthe editor is the easiest way to make sure it's exactly what you want with little effort.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
But now he'll probably be back on Eden Prime, so him and Ashley will have to team up to do something there.
I'm more curious as to what class she'll be. I mean, obviously she's Tech, but I'm wondering if she'll be more like Legion or Garrus insofar as being a Tech/Attack character than just straight-up Tech like Tali.
Not a retcon at all. Just the fan base jumping to conclusions and being annoyed that they were way off.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
Thing is...we actually do have 2 ME2 characters...but they're both ME1 characters too.
I would have liked having at least one of the strictly ME2 guys come back but whatever. As long as their side missions are cool I won't mind much.
On the above conversation...