is arrival worth buying? I wasn't going to get it, but it seems so tied into the story of the third game
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited January 2012
...It depends are you looking for something on the level of Lair of the Shadow Broker or are you looking for something competent?
Because it's the latter but not so much the former. Though in its defense Lair of the Shadow Broker is probably one of the finest pieces of 10 dollar DLC ever made.
That being said if you enjoyed Overlord you should like this one too. It has one of the most fun fights in the game(imo I know some people don't like it) and its relevant to the plot.
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FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
Quit referring to Shepard as a her. You're not going to make femshep happen!
Are you the magic man?
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
I think people refer to Shep as "her" because that's their main Shep.
Nothing wrong with that.
Only time I have a problem with it is when we get into those stupid voice actor debates.
God those are awful.
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FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
I think people refer to Shep as "her" because that's their main Shep.
Nothing wrong with that.
Only time I have a problem with it is when we get into those stupid voice actor debates.
God those are awful.
I've played both games with Meer and Hale. I generally prefer Hale, but there are times when her delivery or tone variation is off, like when she asks a question but doesn't have the rising intonation at the end that questions have in English.
Reading about how they recorded the dialogue, it's pretty amazing that it all comes off as well as it does.
My assumption has always been that's the reason for those times when the delivery seems off compared to the game's portrayal of dialogue. I assume a lot of the time they use samples from several readings in a conversation (even in the parts that the conversations were actually collaboratively read.)
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
samara: you brought samara, impressive
morinth: I KNOW
everyone else but cerberus: thank you for bringing x they are worth money
miranda and jacob: thank you bringing me x their deaths will cripple cerberus
tali: her?
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samara: you brought samara, impressive
morinth: I KNOW
everyone else but cerberus: thank you for bringing x they are worth money
miranda and jacob: thank you bringing me x their deaths will cripple cerberus
tali: her?
I like how Grunt is the only one whose gun was already "cocked."
I dislike that grunt drew A PISTOL.
I didn't give him the claymore for nothing, dammit.
tip.. tip.. TALLY.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
I also like how Grunt gets knocked out as easily as everyone else.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited January 2012
Hale vs Meer debates are one of those arguments that makes you wish you could bonk both sides heads together.
*renegade interrupt*
"You are both being dumb, go to sleep"
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(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
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FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
i don't know what you're talking about, you basically have to come into this thread with a whole can of fucking Lysol and spray it down before you post or you'll catch something from the crazy debauchery.
Are you the magic man?
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Here's a list of errors people have found in the book so far
Some of them are rather petty but there is still an awful lot
Canon mistakes in ME: Deception
1. Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible. (note: the book said she used to be “unstable”, as if she had had anger issues or something.)
2. Quarian names - titling a quarian “Fothar vas Maynar” (and others) and referring to them as “Maynar” means that you are addressing them by the name of their ship, not by their own name.
3. Quarians referred to as “Gas suckers” - quarians breathe air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is the filtration of air. While this term is probably being used in a derogatory manner, the fact that quarians use enviro-suits hasn’t been used mockingly in the past, making it odd.
4. Claiming that Hendel never visited Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension for three chapters.
5. Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death).
6. Friendship of Gillian and Nick - The two only met once during Ascension, and at that time Nick attempted to bully her and Gillian responded with a powerful Singularity - not exactly the definition of friendship.
7. Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggests this in Ascension or even in Retribution, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM to pretend to be her real father, and he never wavered from the role.
8. Gillian claiming that other children in the Academy tormented her - nothing suggesting that, in fact they paid her very little notice, the incident with Nick was unique.
9. Tantalus Drive Core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experimental drive core first used on the Normandy, it’s doubtful that such an old batarian ship would have such a drive core. Additionally such a core, by itself, is equivalent to the cost of an entire cruiser class ship.
10. Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her.
11. The Citadel is described as being star shaped - While unfolded the Citadel shares several features with the ‘star’ shape, having five arms and a central ring, but none of those five arms are pointed at the end - still making it a somewhat confusing description.
12. There is a batarian embassy in the Citadel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute, and there was no mention of such an embassy in the previous book..
13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after Sovereign’s attack on the Citadel and never re-opened.
14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.
15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng stabs knife in his neck and severs spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way - there is a large hump covered in thick skin that prevents access to the krogan “neck”..
16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants, such as the L2 and L3 implants for humans.
17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel was established as homosexual during Ascension.
18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they get in the Citadel first without using mass effect?
19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successfully during the events of ME1 - That never happened due to Prothean scientists reprogramming the Keepers
and Shepard foiling Sovereign’s plan to manually override Citadel relay function.
21. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.
22. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (previous examples from Mass Effect video game/s: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc.)
23. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.
24. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the batarian homeworld Khar'Shan - the batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.
25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Palaven - this could happen although highly unlikely due to the militaristic nature and training of turian society, and them having the largest fleet in the galaxy. And even if there had been a raid on Palaven, the turians would have likely responded with military action.
26. The public is allowed in the Citadel Council chamber - In ME1 very few people have a privilege to meet them, not the crowds described in Deception.
27. Characters Gillian and Nick are 18 years old in Deception - These characters were 12 - 13 years old in previous novels set 3 years before Deception
28. Hand Weapons that fire at "relativistic speeds" - for those who don't know it the term, relativistic speed means close or apprising the speed of light. The term is usually used when talking about speeds higher than 10% of C - considering that a sand corn fired of those speeds will have the impact of 90 kg TNT and also that a main gun on a Everest class dreadnought only fires at 1.8% of C I would say that relativistic speeds might be a bit high.
29. TIM's hideout - in Retribution it is written that TIM is hiding on a space station, which changes location after every visitor including Leng. Now TIM is on a planet and stays there after Leng's visit.
30. Gillian's visit in Afterlife - Afterlife is the most popular bar on Omega and people wait hours to get in (Retribution). Now Gillian enters it immediately and the bouncer doesn't stop her.
31. Quarian's clothing - Quarians wear environmentally-sealed 'enviro-suits' to protect their weakened immune systems... they do not wear "a motley collection of clothing, held together by a variety of straps and leather fasteners".
32. No Kinetic Barriers - In the ME games, as well as previous books, all hardsuits come with Kinetic Barriers (aka shields) that must be broken before the user can be killed by ranged weaponry. In Deception, there is only mention of weapons "chewing through armor" or poor references to Biotic Barriers on characters wearing hardsuits ala Nick.
33. Lack of security in Afterlife - In Retribution, Aria uses a secret backdoor to get in and out of Afterlife without her patrons knowing, and also has a series of backrooms for private conversations. Now she drives up to the front entrance in a limo, passing by several people who would want to kill her, and takes a call from the Illusive Man in her main lounge.
34. Kai Leng's Equipment is Inadequate - In Retribution, Kai Leng used a six man commando team to take down a non-biotic Paul Grayson, and later used a state of the art surveillance suite to track when Aria exited her secret entrance, which would alert him so that he could use the proper facilities when he needed to. Now he goes alone to take on powerful biotic Gillian and uses a sniper rifle to survey the main entrance of Afterlife, and is forced to pee in a vase so as not to miss anything.
35. Aria Learns that Cerberus killed her daughter, but continues working for them in Invasion - The reason Cerberus is able to work a deal with Aria in Retribution is because they promise info on her daughter's killer. In Invasion, which takes place after Deception, Aria continues to work with Cerberus and even allows them access to the Omega 4 Relay. But before that happens, she discovers that Kai Leng was the one who killed her daughter, and vows never to work with Cerberus again.
36. Character(s?) in Deception use their biotic abilities repeatedly - In ME canon using of biotic abilities is described to be extremely straining for biotics and that biotics require rest after using their abilities.
37. Udina not "named" as the Human Council member - at this point in time, Udina is the official 'canon' human Council member in Mass Effect's story, but Dietz refuses to use Udina's name for the human Councilor (even though the character's personality is clearly presented as Udina's, plus there can be no other individual in this role given the events of Retribution and Mass Effect 3).
38. Gillian gets new biotic implants in a few hours(?) operation in non medical facility - Biotic implants work with nervous systems and operation to replace implants is considered being extremely dangerous to the point that even biotics who have crippling side effects from their implants aren't usually willing to take a risk of brain damage etc. to upgrade their implants.
39. Gillian’s necklace - data storage in Gillian’s necklace containing a holo of an event which happened years after the creation of the necklace.
40. Batarian Slave Ship released to Gillian and company by Quarians - Quarians view ships as one of their most precious resource, and they would not be so willing to part with a fully functional ship by giving it to Gillian, especially when it has what appears to be a “Tantalus drive core”.
41. Ugho is in charge of the defense against the batarian slavers - He died in Ascension during the Cerberus attack on the Idenna.
42. Characters use Advanced Biotic Powers with no prior training - After getting her “implants” changed Gillian is able to produce Reave and Charge, powers that were before advanced and mostly exclusive to Shepard. Hendel later uses a Singularity with ease, despite never having that power and being surprised when Gillian herself used it in Ascension.
43. Refering to Aria as “T’Loak” and Kai Leng as “Leng” - In previous works, these characters are either refereed to by first or full name (Aria wants to talk to you) but now henchmen call Aria simply T’Loak. This is also the case in Invasion, so it cannot simply be new henchmen referring to her by that name.
44. Thousands dead every day - The novel states that thousands die on the Citadel every day, but given the approximate population of 13 million, this is beyond excessive.
45. There is no T’Loak family - Aria attends a funeral for her daughter where she is joined by members of the T’Loak family. However Aria T’Loak is a false name and Aria is on the run from old rivals, creditors and the law. It is extremely unlikely that she would return to Thessia, the asari homeworld where it would be easy to track her down.
46. Kai Leng knows who Liselle is - In Retribution Liselle’s identity as Aria’s daughter wasn’t well known, and Kai Leng didn’t know her name at all yet in Deception Kai Leng knows who she is quite well.
47. Timeline Issues - During the three years since Ascension both Nick and Gillian have aged six years. In addition, the attack on the Citadel is said to have taken place two years earlier, despite it actually taking place three years earlier. Among other issues.
48. Waiting for the slavers - When the quarians first detect the batarian slavers they have almost an hour of warning. Rather than immediately jumping into FTL which would make them undetectable to their enemies, they just stand and wait for the much more powerful ship to reach them.
49. Beryllium is no longer toxic - At one point, Gillian finds and carries with her slugs of Beryllium with no visible repercussions, when Beryllium is supposed to be highly toxic.
50. Beryllium as currency - It is stated that criminal enterprises are forced to use Beryllium (among others) as a form of currency, since credits could be tracked. This is in no way stated anywhere else in any other of the supplement materials or the games themselves. All
You know. The most annoying thing about this is that half of these things are stuff you could have learned from playing through the games(without even looking at the codex) and reading the first two books(both which I can read in under 3 hours, 3 hours each that is.)
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
I've been very thorough in checking in on companions this time and I'm kind of surprised at how much I seem to have missed with some of them. I saw a lot of little "capstone" conversations I never saw before this time around.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
I'm back to finishing all my canon sheps, meaning lots of LOTSB, Overlord and Arrival play throughs. They get a bit numbing after a bit of just playing the same missions over and over again. Vanguard and sentinel sheps done, now for my adept run, then to see what's left. there's gonna be a whole lotta ME3 to play in the months of March, April and May.
EDIT: also, ftw is up with the lore inconsistency in deception?? I mean come on!
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Because it's the latter but not so much the former. Though in its defense Lair of the Shadow Broker is probably one of the finest pieces of 10 dollar DLC ever made.
That being said if you enjoyed Overlord you should like this one too. It has one of the most fun fights in the game(imo I know some people don't like it) and its relevant to the plot.
Nothing wrong with that.
Only time I have a problem with it is when we get into those stupid voice actor debates.
God those are awful.
you buy a lot of games, huh
Though I honestly think interrupts are a pretty ingenious addition to dialogue based games.
My assumption has always been that's the reason for those times when the delivery seems off compared to the game's portrayal of dialogue. I assume a lot of the time they use samples from several readings in a conversation (even in the parts that the conversations were actually collaboratively read.)
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I love that he knows if you have morinth
samara: you brought samara, impressive
morinth: I KNOW
everyone else but cerberus: thank you for bringing x they are worth money
miranda and jacob: thank you bringing me x their deaths will cripple cerberus
tali: her?
You have no idea
I'd never heard the Tali one. I lolled heartily.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
"a quarian reaper? pfffahaahahaha"
I dislike that grunt drew A PISTOL.
I didn't give him the claymore for nothing, dammit.
*renegade interrupt*
"You are both being dumb, go to sleep"
And have them make out?
You know. The most annoying thing about this is that half of these things are stuff you could have learned from playing through the games(without even looking at the codex) and reading the first two books(both which I can read in under 3 hours, 3 hours each that is.)
Haha
That's hilarious.
femshep is renegade
and maleshepard should look just a little bit worried
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I always think it's funny seeing a lightweight get hit by the desk.
"Eh, they're probably fine."
make it so
I also thought it should be reversed.
There.
Okay.
I'm a hypocrite.
So be it.
*sob*
I've been very thorough in checking in on companions this time and I'm kind of surprised at how much I seem to have missed with some of them. I saw a lot of little "capstone" conversations I never saw before this time around.
Goddam you're right.
BRB gotta go knock myself ou
I just can't stop myself from disconnecting the Council, I can't.
I'm looking forward to see the outcome of saying *$@# you Council I don't wanna be a Spectre anymore.
I would continue my FemShep ME2 Sentinel run but...my TVs speakers got blown out so until I can buy some new speakers that's a no go.
it's on Youtube, you know
EDIT: also, ftw is up with the lore inconsistency in deception?? I mean come on!
I mean more in ME3. Supposedly it is supposed to have some sort of impact.