Kil'Jaeden is who wants him dead currently. Same demon is also the commander in chief of the current demonic forces on outlands. He's supposed to be more powerful than any of the other eredar guys, second only to mr. titan guy (at least until blizz retcons that)
Travolta's in it also? Oh god, this is approaching crap levels of possibly unintentionally humerous proportions.
He gets hit by a bird on his motorcycle.
Also, Kyle Gas (of Tenacious D) is shown in one of the commercials, singing on stage "Don't You Wish Your Girlfriend (was hot like me)". As in, HAHAHA LOOK AT THE FAT MAN DANCE HAHAHAHA.
So...... yeah.
I wonder if Travolta tried to convert 'em all to Scientology during filming.
Hey, that reminds me. Defender, are you agnostic about Lord Xenu? You can't 100% disprove him, right?
Really similar, but I would put one key difference forward: Kerrigan was a cool chick the whole way through, then she just got fucked up by the zerg when she was abandoned. Arthas was a dick the whole way through and chose to lie to his men, sell out his friend, and trade his soul to the lich king for revenge.
So basically Arthas was never a nice guy and Arthas became a villain by choice; Kerrigan is the opposite, but she still ended up a villain.
Really similar, but I would put one key difference forward: Kerrigan was a cool chick the whole way through, then she just got fucked up by the zerg when she was abandoned. Arthas was a dick the whole way through and chose to lie to his men, sell out his friend, and trade his soul to the lich king for revenge.
So basically Arthas was never a nice guy and Arthas became a villain by choice; Kerrigan is the opposite, but she still ended up a villain.
The two stories felt too similar for my taste. I'll give you the differences, but the end results were so familiar, and that was lame.
Travolta's in it also? Oh god, this is approaching crap levels of possibly unintentionally humerous proportions.
He gets hit by a bird on his motorcycle.
Also, Kyle Gas (of Tenacious D) is shown in one of the commercials, singing on stage "Don't You Wish Your Girlfriend (was hot like me)". As in, HAHAHA LOOK AT THE FAT MAN DANCE HAHAHAHA.
So...... yeah.
I wonder if Travolta tried to convert 'em all to Scientology during filming.
Hey, that reminds me. Defender, are you agnostic about Lord Xenu? You can't 100% disprove him, right?
The toughest thing about Scientology is that Scientologists, from what I understand, deliberately stop people from examining the facts. For example, if I wanted to get an e-meter and see how it works to measure thetans (or whatever, I may be getting the details wrong), Scientologists would not sell me one with blueprints at a reasonable price. Like I can't just go "hey, I'm a university professor, can I have an e-meter and some design documents" and they would go "OK, the meter is $150 and the documents we'll throw in for free, you know, for science, but you have to sign this NDA."
So the real issue here isn't Lord Xenu. The real issue is that the actual Church of Scientology is very much acting like they just made this shit up and do not want people to be able to look straight at it and analyze it.
It's similar to "I don't believe Jesus cares if I eat fish on Friday." Yeah, that can be a stupid rule that the Church made up, but it doesn't disprove that Jesus is divine and lives in Heaven and will return in glory to judge the living and the dead. In other words, even if I were to prove that the Church of Whatever is full of shit, that doesn't disprove that the deity in question exists.
Also, Lord Xenu is described, as far as I know, as being a natural being, not a supernatural being; he's subject to the laws of physics just like everyone else. That means that the Lord Xenu that I've heard about IS subject to scientific analysis, while Lord Jesus is not.
Really similar, but I would put one key difference forward: Kerrigan was a cool chick the whole way through, then she just got fucked up by the zerg when she was abandoned. Arthas was a dick the whole way through and chose to lie to his men, sell out his friend, and trade his soul to the lich king for revenge.
So basically Arthas was never a nice guy and Arthas became a villain by choice; Kerrigan is the opposite, but she still ended up a villain.
The two stories felt too similar for my taste. I'll give you the differences, but the end results were so familiar, and that was lame.
I thought so too. When I got to the end of TFT, even when I just saw that the last campaign was undead, I was like "What the fuck, I already know this plotline!"
also GOD DAMN IT I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT NO WARCRAFT DAMMIT
let's talk about 300
you know what is weird?
That "red sauce with pasta" thing is traveling all over the damn place. I was hanging out with some buddies and my friend was on myspace, and he started cracking up. He goes, HEY LOOK AT THIS PICTURE HERE
and some faggot had the redsauce gif on his fucking myspace
kinda weird to see something you made travel like that
On one hand I would imagine it's rather cool to create something that circles the internet two times over, on the other hand I'd get rather pissed that 5,000 douchebags are prolly showing it off saying hai luk at thz cewl gif i maed!! Most people will probably credit it to 4chan anyway. Which makes it worse I suppose.
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doesn't bother me. Internet and copyright are two concepts which tend to be rather contrary in nature.
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What is this "red sauce with pasta" thing they're talking about?
Wren, why do you have a Tabard in your link that says you had a victory over Illidian Stormrage? I'm sorry but if there are already guilds beating the most badass of Warcraft villians I am glad I quit playing that fucking game. That's fucking bullshit. People powering theier way up to 70 rather than enjoying it fuck them grumble grumble
"Villain" is a bit of a stretch for Illidan. Illidan, if I recall, was a hero with good intentions at least three times in the WC3 storyline; He starts out imprisoned for selling to soul to gain demonic powers in an effort to save his people 10,000 years ago. He then consumes the skull of Gul'dan because he needs its power to kill Tychondrius, which ends up as a major victory for the Night Elves, and of course he's promptly told to fuck off for being a demon. Then in TFT he almost destroys the frozen throne, and the Lich King, and thus also Arthas, with the aid of the Naga, but the fucking Night Elves interrupt his spell/ritual and kill everybody, and then when he tries to destroy it up close and personal, without any support whatsoever from the Night Elves, Arthas stops him directly.
So he's really been nothing but heroic and supremely self-sacrificing the entire time, and his own people have done nothing but punish him and stand in his way. Going insane or whatever hardly makes him a villain, and what are the odds that he's just misunderstood and misjudged yet again?
He didn't gain demonic powers to save his people. He did it because 1) Malfurion was about to destroy the Well of Eternity - the source of Night Elf magic, and 2) Tyrande gave him the cold shoulder, so he got all emo and shit. Then, he told the Burning Legion about Furions plan, which in effect almost caused the Night Elf race to become extinct. Meanwhile, while this huge battle is going on, he steals seven vials from the well and sneaks away.
And if you want to get into technicalities, the only reason he tried to destroy the Frozen Throne, was because he was ordered to by Archimonde.
Archimonde was dead at that point, and I don't recall ever seeing Illidan working for him in the first place. If he was working for Archimonde, killing Tichondrius was a pretty retarded thing to do.
Also, they may have retconned this stuff in, but in RoC and TFT they painted him pretty clearly as a self-sacrificing hero who was misunderstood and unjustly treated as a criminal.
Oh shit, I'm sorry, I meant Kil'Jaeden.
After Illidan went into Outland and took the Black Temple from Magtheridon, Kil'Jaeden showed up and offered him one last chance for Illidan to prove himself to the legion, Kil'Jaeden told him gave him the Orb of Kil'Jaeden, and told him to get rid of Ner'Zhul.
And yes, during the campaign, you could argue Illidan consumed the skull of Gul'Dan in order to save his people, but he could have just destroyed it and had the same effect, except Arthas played on his lust for power. He did kill Tichondrius, and he did team up with Furion during that one mission to save Tyrande, but he still had a lot to answer for.
And yes, the books on The Great Sundering did come out after the games, but since they didn't really explain in depth on why Illidan was imprisoned in the first place, I would call it more exposition, rather than retconning.
After Illidan went into Outland and took the Black Temple from Magtheridon, Kil'Jaeden showed up and offered him one last chance for Illidan to prove himself to the legion, Kil'Jaeden told him gave him the Orb of Kil'Jaeden, and told him to get rid of Ner'Zhul.
And yes, during the campaign, you could argue Illidan consumed the skull of Gul'Dan in order to save his people, but he could have just destroyed it and had the same effect, except Arthas played on his lust for power. He did kill Tichondrius, and he did team up with Furion during that one mission to save Tyrande, but he still had a lot to answer for.
I don't think he could've just destroyed the skull. I believe that he needed the power of the skull in order to turn into his demon form, which was required to kill Tychondrius. So basically, he sacrificed his soul even further and ended up as that half-demon because he had to do it in order to fight the enemy of his people.
And yes, the books on The Great Sundering did come out after the games, but since they didn't really explain in depth on why Illidan was imprisoned in the first place, I would call it more exposition, rather than retconning.
It seems like a retcon to me because all of the stuff in-game has him as a misunderstood and wrongly-maligned hero. In fact, this piece of text has been up since the RoC strategy guide:
Demon Hunters are dark, shadowy warriors who are shunned by the greater Night Elf society. They made a pact, long ago, to fight against the forces of chaos using its own terrible powers against it. These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity. They wield demonically charged warblades in battle and even call upon demonic energies to augment their formidable combat skills. Although they are counted as some of the mightiest warriors within the Night Elves' society, the Demon Hunters are always maligned and misunderstood for making their selfless pact with darkness.
So the whole thing where he's selfish and evil makes no sense and seems like a sloppy retcon in light of him doing things like sacrificing his soul and blinding himself. Or how about that he never even TRIES to avenge himself on his brother at any point, despite that his brother stole Tyrande from him, imprisoned him for ten thousand years, insulted him to his face, never once thanked him for anything, and then fucked up his attempt to destroy Arthas.
I don't find it hard to believe that his service to Kil'jaeden was merely a means to end, that end being protecting his people.
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Just when I thought there must surely be something that is too stupid and trivial for even Defender to argue about...lo, I am proven wrong.
It's an interesting storyline.
Well, interesting until they start getting into spaceships and three factions of blood elves and hurgle burgle. But up to the hurgle burgle? Pretty good story.
After Illidan went into Outland and took the Black Temple from Magtheridon, Kil'Jaeden showed up and offered him one last chance for Illidan to prove himself to the legion, Kil'Jaeden told him gave him the Orb of Kil'Jaeden, and told him to get rid of Ner'Zhul.
And yes, during the campaign, you could argue Illidan consumed the skull of Gul'Dan in order to save his people, but he could have just destroyed it and had the same effect, except Arthas played on his lust for power. He did kill Tichondrius, and he did team up with Furion during that one mission to save Tyrande, but he still had a lot to answer for.
I don't think he could've just destroyed the skull. I believe that he needed the power of the skull in order to turn into his demon form, which was required to kill Tychondrius. So basically, he sacrificed his soul even further and ended up as that half-demon because he had to do it in order to fight the enemy of his people.
And yes, the books on The Great Sundering did come out after the games, but since they didn't really explain in depth on why Illidan was imprisoned in the first place, I would call it more exposition, rather than retconning.
It seems like a retcon to me because all of the stuff in-game has him as a misunderstood and wrongly-maligned hero. In fact, this piece of text has been up since the RoC strategy guide:
Demon Hunters are dark, shadowy warriors who are shunned by the greater Night Elf society. They made a pact, long ago, to fight against the forces of chaos using its own terrible powers against it. These mysterious warriors ritually blind themselves so that they develop 'spectral sight' that enables them to see demons and undead with greater clarity. They wield demonically charged warblades in battle and even call upon demonic energies to augment their formidable combat skills. Although they are counted as some of the mightiest warriors within the Night Elves' society, the Demon Hunters are always maligned and misunderstood for making their selfless pact with darkness.
So the whole thing where he's selfish and evil makes no sense and seems like a sloppy retcon in light of him doing things like sacrificing his soul and blinding himself. Or how about that he never even TRIES to avenge himself on his brother at any point, despite that his brother stole Tyrande from him, imprisoned him for ten thousand years, insulted him to his face, never once thanked him for anything, and then fucked up his attempt to destroy Arthas.
I don't find it hard to believe that his service to Kil'jaeden was merely a means to end, that end being protecting his people.
First, Illidan didn't blind himself. His eyes were scorched out of their sockets by Sargeras when he infused Illidan with power. And again, Illidan searched out for Sargeras only when he knew that Tyrande had chosen Malfurion instead of him, and directly afterwards, defected toward the side of the Burning Legion and told Azshara of Furions plans to destroy the Well of Eternity. Then, while the battle was going on, he snuck into the well, stole some for himself, then fled the battle between two factions of his kinfolk. So what part of this says 'selfless' to you? Maybe Demon Hunters try to mimic the means of which Illidan was granted power because hey, whatever works, but Illidan himself clearly did not have the same values in mind.
Or how about that he never even TRIES to avenge himself on his brother at any point, despite that his brother stole Tyrande from him, imprisoned him for ten thousand years, insulted him to his face, never once thanked him for anything, and then fucked up his attempt to destroy Arthas.
For the same reason why Furion always opted to imprison or banish Illidan as opposed to killing him, even when he was a half demon. They're brothers.
Just when I thought there must surely be something that is too stupid and trivial for even Defender to argue about...lo, I am proven wrong.
It's an interesting storyline.
Well, interesting until they start getting into spaceships and three factions of blood elves and hurgle burgle. But up to the hurgle burgle? Pretty good story.
Just giving you shit, Defender.
This whole thing almost seems like a "which comic book guy could beat which comic book guy" argument, to me. I mean, arguing about the relative combat potencies of fantasy characters seems a little...well, it just isn't my particular brand of bourbon.
First, Illidan didn't blind himself. His eyes were scorched out of their sockets by Sargeras when he infused Illidan with power. And again, Illidan searched out for Sargeras only when he knew that Tyrande had chosen Malfurion instead of him, and directly afterwards, defected toward the side of the Burning Legion and told Azshara of Furions plans to destroy the Well of Eternity. Then, while the battle was going on, he snuck into the well, stole some for himself, then fled the battle between two factions of his kinfolk. So what part of this says 'selfless' to you? Maybe Demon Hunters try to mimic the means of which Illidan was granted power because hey, whatever works, but Illidan himself clearly did not have the same values in mind.
This is why I say it sounds like an after-the-fact, Extended-Universe piece of shit. Every single event where Illidan's a selfish dick happens in prequels written after RoC and TFT came out. But in those actual games, and in all of the accompanying stuff like the text I just quoted from BNet, he's not portrayed that way at all. This is exactly why that it really seems like they just went "hmm, better make him a villain" and then retconned in that he's a selfish bastard.
This whole thing almost seems like a "which comic book guy could beat which comic book guy" argument, to me. I mean, arguing about the relative combat potencies of fantasy characters seems a little...well, it just isn't my particular brand of bourbon.
That's not...like, that's not at all what we're talking about. Relative combat potencies? We're talking about the character's personality and underlying motives, not whether Spider-Man could beat Cloud in a fight.
I've always found the Warcraft storyline interesting from the time when I realized there was a narrative written in my WC2 instruction manual. I'll admit though, after I read Lord of the Clans I decided not to seek out any more lore that wasn't explicitly in the games.
No wonder Warcraft Adventures was never released.
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I wonder if Travolta tried to convert 'em all to Scientology during filming.
Hey, that reminds me. Defender, are you agnostic about Lord Xenu? You can't 100% disprove him, right?
wait isn't kerrigan that crazy eye thing from naruto?
Really similar, but I would put one key difference forward: Kerrigan was a cool chick the whole way through, then she just got fucked up by the zerg when she was abandoned. Arthas was a dick the whole way through and chose to lie to his men, sell out his friend, and trade his soul to the lich king for revenge.
So basically Arthas was never a nice guy and Arthas became a villain by choice; Kerrigan is the opposite, but she still ended up a villain.
The two stories felt too similar for my taste. I'll give you the differences, but the end results were so familiar, and that was lame.
I bet hes different now
The toughest thing about Scientology is that Scientologists, from what I understand, deliberately stop people from examining the facts. For example, if I wanted to get an e-meter and see how it works to measure thetans (or whatever, I may be getting the details wrong), Scientologists would not sell me one with blueprints at a reasonable price. Like I can't just go "hey, I'm a university professor, can I have an e-meter and some design documents" and they would go "OK, the meter is $150 and the documents we'll throw in for free, you know, for science, but you have to sign this NDA."
So the real issue here isn't Lord Xenu. The real issue is that the actual Church of Scientology is very much acting like they just made this shit up and do not want people to be able to look straight at it and analyze it.
It's similar to "I don't believe Jesus cares if I eat fish on Friday." Yeah, that can be a stupid rule that the Church made up, but it doesn't disprove that Jesus is divine and lives in Heaven and will return in glory to judge the living and the dead. In other words, even if I were to prove that the Church of Whatever is full of shit, that doesn't disprove that the deity in question exists.
Also, Lord Xenu is described, as far as I know, as being a natural being, not a supernatural being; he's subject to the laws of physics just like everyone else. That means that the Lord Xenu that I've heard about IS subject to scientific analysis, while Lord Jesus is not.
I thought so too. When I got to the end of TFT, even when I just saw that the last campaign was undead, I was like "What the fuck, I already know this plotline!"
Also an important distinction.
On one hand I would imagine it's rather cool to create something that circles the internet two times over, on the other hand I'd get rather pissed that 5,000 douchebags are prolly showing it off saying hai luk at thz cewl gif i maed!! Most people will probably credit it to 4chan anyway. Which makes it worse I suppose.
I didn't even make it and GODDAMMIT I SHOULD SHIT ON YOU!
Oh shit, I'm sorry, I meant Kil'Jaeden.
After Illidan went into Outland and took the Black Temple from Magtheridon, Kil'Jaeden showed up and offered him one last chance for Illidan to prove himself to the legion, Kil'Jaeden told him gave him the Orb of Kil'Jaeden, and told him to get rid of Ner'Zhul.
And yes, during the campaign, you could argue Illidan consumed the skull of Gul'Dan in order to save his people, but he could have just destroyed it and had the same effect, except Arthas played on his lust for power. He did kill Tichondrius, and he did team up with Furion during that one mission to save Tyrande, but he still had a lot to answer for.
And yes, the books on The Great Sundering did come out after the games, but since they didn't really explain in depth on why Illidan was imprisoned in the first place, I would call it more exposition, rather than retconning.
And even if he didn't make the gif, he is definitely the first person I saw who mentioned it looked like the guy was saying "Red sauce on pasta."
I don't think he could've just destroyed the skull. I believe that he needed the power of the skull in order to turn into his demon form, which was required to kill Tychondrius. So basically, he sacrificed his soul even further and ended up as that half-demon because he had to do it in order to fight the enemy of his people.
It seems like a retcon to me because all of the stuff in-game has him as a misunderstood and wrongly-maligned hero. In fact, this piece of text has been up since the RoC strategy guide:
So the whole thing where he's selfish and evil makes no sense and seems like a sloppy retcon in light of him doing things like sacrificing his soul and blinding himself. Or how about that he never even TRIES to avenge himself on his brother at any point, despite that his brother stole Tyrande from him, imprisoned him for ten thousand years, insulted him to his face, never once thanked him for anything, and then fucked up his attempt to destroy Arthas.
I don't find it hard to believe that his service to Kil'jaeden was merely a means to end, that end being protecting his people.
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It's an interesting storyline.
Well, interesting until they start getting into spaceships and three factions of blood elves and hurgle burgle. But up to the hurgle burgle? Pretty good story.
First, Illidan didn't blind himself. His eyes were scorched out of their sockets by Sargeras when he infused Illidan with power. And again, Illidan searched out for Sargeras only when he knew that Tyrande had chosen Malfurion instead of him, and directly afterwards, defected toward the side of the Burning Legion and told Azshara of Furions plans to destroy the Well of Eternity. Then, while the battle was going on, he snuck into the well, stole some for himself, then fled the battle between two factions of his kinfolk. So what part of this says 'selfless' to you? Maybe Demon Hunters try to mimic the means of which Illidan was granted power because hey, whatever works, but Illidan himself clearly did not have the same values in mind.
EDIT: For the same reason why Furion always opted to imprison or banish Illidan as opposed to killing him, even when he was a half demon. They're brothers.
This whole thing almost seems like a "which comic book guy could beat which comic book guy" argument, to me. I mean, arguing about the relative combat potencies of fantasy characters seems a little...well, it just isn't my particular brand of bourbon.
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This is why I say it sounds like an after-the-fact, Extended-Universe piece of shit. Every single event where Illidan's a selfish dick happens in prequels written after RoC and TFT came out. But in those actual games, and in all of the accompanying stuff like the text I just quoted from BNet, he's not portrayed that way at all. This is exactly why that it really seems like they just went "hmm, better make him a villain" and then retconned in that he's a selfish bastard.
That's not...like, that's not at all what we're talking about. Relative combat potencies? We're talking about the character's personality and underlying motives, not whether Spider-Man could beat Cloud in a fight.
Ghengis Khan, or Atilla the Hun
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No wonder Warcraft Adventures was never released.
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Yeah but what if Cloud was impregnated by a facehugger and you got alien cloud? What then?!