Also Young Justice's writing is not better then EMH's. Though they do aim higher.
EMH created a group of characters with solid traits to work against the other characters and make jokes with. They are not complex but they do just what they set out to do.
YJ tries to be more adult. They try to create deep three-dimensional characters with various multi-episode arcs but the writing just wasn't up to scratch at the beginning. It's getting better though, Joker not withstanding.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Probably part of why they've always been my two favorites, they were my first comic books. Then I got into X-Men right around the time of the Muir Island Saga, that and Kings of Pain were the first story arcs I read/owned completely. Then it was X-cutioner's Song, which a buddy of mine read and kept me up to date on, then Fatal Attractions, which neither of us read much of, and after that I just wasn't really into comic books anymore.
But now I'm thinking about getting into Ultimates. I want to check out Ultimate Iron Man, but I've heard a lot of it was retconned as being just a work of in-universe fiction.
I guess it's possible they might change her origin but considering Whedon has been very adamant there will be no Kree or Skrull in Avengers, nor foreshadowing for a future war, I doubt it.
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I guess it's possible they might change her origin but considering Whedon has been very adamant there will be no Kree or Skrull in Avengers, nor foreshadowing for a future war, I doubt it.
Mostly old people but it wouldn't just be that. I mean we are talking about introducing a completely different version of a character to mainstream audiences. A thing that has never been done before. Every "superman fan" who's never really followed comics will be outraged.
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Been having this conversation every since IM1 came out. DC properties require a much larger audience suspension to work as a movie, and Marvel's properties are more internally consistent.
Been having this conversation every since IM1 came out. DC properties require a much larger audience suspension to work as a movie, and Marvel's properties are more internally consistent.
No, they don't. The only difference between the two is quality. DC films have failed because they're constantly screwing up the execution. They have many properties they could make films for that require audiences to suspend their disbelief anymore than Marvel's. Marvel made Thor, which was their most daring adaption to date since it requires enormous suspension of disbelief beyond Iron Man (which is just about advanced technology) or Captain America (super-soldier in WW II). There's no reason DC couldn't make a good Manhunter* film.
Can you explain why you think Marvel properties have better consistency?
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Maybe it is just execution.
For me, it's easier to accept a part magic part science historical Norse "god" than it is to accept a shape changer from Mars when we've already had loads of probes there.
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For me, it's easier to accept a part magic part science historical Norse "god" than it is to accept a shape changer from Mars when we've already had loads of probes there.
Grand Cataclysm wiped out all the surface buildings and the last remaining Martial lives underground.
Plus he's a spapechanger, so he could just look like a rock when someone pokes around.
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For me, it's easier to accept a part magic part science historical Norse "god" than it is to accept a shape changer from Mars when we've already had loads of probes there.
Grand Cataclysm wiped out all the surface buildings and the last remaining Martial lives underground.
Plus he's a spapechanger, so he could just look like a rock when someone pokes around.
It's gonna be a DC v Marvel thing. These things never end well.
Hey, I like Marvel more than I like DC, though I say this as a non-comic reader. (Well, I don't read a LOT of comics, aside from Ultimate Marvel stuff pre-DoSM (Marvel Unlimited Comics subscription... I should probably use it more often besides Ultimate stuff.) Mostly it's due to Superman and Batman overshadowing so much in the public eye. IIRC, DC animated won't make non Batman/Superman/Justice League movies anymore because of the others selling poorly, which sucks because Wonder Woman was great and I liked Green Lantern: First Flight a hell of a lot more than the live action movie.
That being said, I would fucking LOVE to go see a bunch of interconnected DC movies that are as relatively enjoyable as the Marvel ones, and culminate in a Justice League movie.
I'd go see every single one in theaters. I would spam the trailers constantly. And I'd read long blogs about all the cool easter eggs and cross-references in each film. Just like I do with the Marvel movies.
More importantly, I have no doubt that it can be done. Superman and Batman are perennials and don't really need explaining; Flash is a simple enough concept and everyone loves a smartass. Wonder Woman is basically Thor, only with less crap going on back home. Martian Manhunter is basically Thor as well, only with the "destroyed civilization, last of his kind" storyline which is Superman's as well. Really, only Green Lantern has issues with A. being a really weird concept and B. Being tainted goods ATM. But the latter helps cancel out the former.
Basically, nobody is weirder than Thor IMO, except for Green Lateran and he's been done.
That's okay. If you want to learn about the DCU without reading the comics you can watch the Justice League & Young Justice cartoons.
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Marvel seems more grounded to me. If it uses a fake city, it's in a part of the world that readers wouldn't know anything about. Aliens are, except for Thanos and the Eternals, not from places we know a lot about. And when they were created, Titan may as well have been another star system. There were the Inhumans, but they started out as human, and we were already used the idea of a "hidden" portion of the moon, culturally.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
Marvel seems more grounded to me. If it uses a fake city, it's in a part of the world that readers wouldn't know anything about. Aliens are, except for Thanos and the Eternals, not from places we know a lot about. And when they were created, Titan may as well have been another star system. There were the Inhumans, but they started out as human, and we were already used the idea of a "hidden" portion of the moon, culturally.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
It works for Batman?
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Marvel seems more grounded to me. If it uses a fake city, it's in a part of the world that readers wouldn't know anything about. Aliens are, except for Thanos and the Eternals, not from places we know a lot about. And when they were created, Titan may as well have been another star system. There were the Inhumans, but they started out as human, and we were already used the idea of a "hidden" portion of the moon, culturally.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
It works for Batman?
Tony works for me because he's brilliant and built a suit. Steve already had the will, and then got the serum and vita-rays. Ta'Challa has a partial suit and some mystical Wakandan stuff.
Hey, I like Marvel more than I like DC, though I say this as a non-comic reader. (Well, I don't read a LOT of comics, aside from Ultimate Marvel stuff pre-DoSM (Marvel Unlimited Comics subscription... I should probably use it more often besides Ultimate stuff.) Mostly it's due to Superman and Batman overshadowing so much in the public eye. IIRC, DC animated won't make non Batman/Superman/Justice League movies anymore because of the others selling poorly, which sucks because Wonder Woman was great and I liked Green Lantern: First Flight a hell of a lot more than the live action movie.
Wonder Woman did a similar amount as the recent GL animated film did, yet they never decided to halt his new cartoon series, it's why they refused to green light a sequel. They also refuse to make any animated films with women characters & it's the reason why the Superman/Batman: Supergirl movie was retitled into Doom.
That being said, I would fucking LOVE to go see a bunch of interconnected DC movies that are as relatively enjoyable as the Marvel ones, and culminate in a Justice League movie.
I'd go see every single one in theaters. I would spam the trailers constantly. And I'd read long blogs about all the cool easter eggs and cross-references in each film. Just like I do with the Marvel movies.
Agreed.
More importantly, I have no doubt that it can be done. Superman and Batman are perennials and don't really need explaining; Flash is a simple enough concept and everyone loves a smartass. Wonder Woman is basically Thor, only with less crap going on back home. Martian Manhunter is basically Thor as well, only with the "destroyed civilization, last of his kind" storyline which is Superman's as well. Really, only Green Lantern has issues with A. being a really weird concept and B. Being tainted goods ATM. But the latter helps cancel out the former.
The GL films should have had a lower scale with their conflicts IMO. They can't make a direct adaption of Sinestro Wars or Blackest Night, it costs too much and needs a shitload of set-up.
Basically, nobody is weirder than Thor IMO, except for Green Lateran and he's been done.
How about New Gods or Legion of Super-Heroes?
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Re: Moon Knight
I can see him thinking he is other superheroes
Can also see him getting his ass handed to him because of it
Tony works for me because he's brilliant and built a suit. Steve already had the will, and then got the serum and vita-rays. Ta'Challa has a partial suit and some mystical Wakandan stuff.
Bruce is just a dude with no parents & has more money than god.
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Can also see him getting his ass handed to him because of it
Now I have to go buy whatever he's in right now
He works as a poor man's Batman, like his original run by Doug Moench. His gear should be dirty and his gear shouldn't be state of the art. He's more vicious, too. The main unique feature is his multiple personality disorder but they shouldn't go overboard like Bendis did. That makes him a joke. He is better served by played straight. Which is disappointing since his MK in Ultimate Spider-man was perfect. His fanatical devotion to Konshu (and whether it exists at all) is another thing that separates him from Batman.
Marvel seems more grounded to me. If it uses a fake city, it's in a part of the world that readers wouldn't know anything about. Aliens are, except for Thanos and the Eternals, not from places we know a lot about. And when they were created, Titan may as well have been another star system. There were the Inhumans, but they started out as human, and we were already used the idea of a "hidden" portion of the moon, culturally.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
It works for Batman?
Tony works for me because he's brilliant and built a suit. Steve already had the will, and then got the serum and vita-rays. Ta'Challa has a partial suit and some mystical Wakandan stuff.
Bruce is just a dude with no parents?
Which gave him a near fanatical, all consuming drive to channel his time and energy into becoming master combatant and a world-class detective.
And a multinational corporation and family fortune that he can use to funnel research for gadgets and junk.
Honestly, I find Batman slightly more realistic than Tony "I revolutionized the entire energy industry in a cave with some random weapon components and a slightly greater amount of free time" Stark.
Shit, Nightwing is just Hawkeye with some Escrima sticks instead of a bow, if you want to get real technical about it.
Hey, I like Marvel more than I like DC, though I say this as a non-comic reader. (Well, I don't read a LOT of comics, aside from Ultimate Marvel stuff pre-DoSM (Marvel Unlimited Comics subscription... I should probably use it more often besides Ultimate stuff.) Mostly it's due to Superman and Batman overshadowing so much in the public eye. IIRC, DC animated won't make non Batman/Superman/Justice League movies anymore because of the others selling poorly, which sucks because Wonder Woman was great and I liked Green Lantern: First Flight a hell of a lot more than the live action movie.
It's worse than that. Wonder Woman did a similar amount as the recent GL animated film did, yet they never decided to halt his new cartoon series, it's why they refused to green light a sequel. They also refuse to make any animated films with women characters & it's the reason why the Superman/Batman: Supergirl movie was retitled into Doom.
That being said, I would fucking LOVE to go see a bunch of interconnected DC movies that are as relatively enjoyable as the Marvel ones, and culminate in a Justice League movie.
I'd go see every single one in theaters. I would spam the trailers constantly. And I'd read long blogs about all the cool easter eggs and cross-references in each film. Just like I do with the Marvel movies.
Agreed.
More importantly, I have no doubt that it can be done. Superman and Batman are perennials and don't really need explaining; Flash is a simple enough concept and everyone loves a smartass. Wonder Woman is basically Thor, only with less crap going on back home. Martian Manhunter is basically Thor as well, only with the "destroyed civilization, last of his kind" storyline which is Superman's as well. Really, only Green Lantern has issues with A. being a really weird concept and B. Being tainted goods ATM. But the latter helps cancel out the former.
The Gl films should have had a lower scale with their conflicts IMO. They can't make a direct adaption of Sinestro Wars or Blackest Night, it costs too much and needs a shitload of set-up.
Basically, nobody is weirder than Thor IMO, except for Green Lateran and he's been done.
How about New Gods or Legion of Super-Heroes?
Eh, no weirder than Guardians of the Galaxy or the Inhumans: but I was talking about the main guys, not the super crazy-ass stuff. My bad.
EDIT: Though I will say Hawkman is weirder than Thor, but that's mainly due to his totally screwy origin trying to share both the ancient Egypt stuff and the Thanagarian stuff. Plus all the Hawkwoman and Hawkgirl stuff making it even more hilariously complex.
Marvel seems more grounded to me. If it uses a fake city, it's in a part of the world that readers wouldn't know anything about. Aliens are, except for Thanos and the Eternals, not from places we know a lot about. And when they were created, Titan may as well have been another star system. There were the Inhumans, but they started out as human, and we were already used the idea of a "hidden" portion of the moon, culturally.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
It works for Batman?
Tony works for me because he's brilliant and built a suit. Steve already had the will, and then got the serum and vita-rays. Ta'Challa has a partial suit and some mystical Wakandan stuff.
Bruce is just a dude with no parents?
Which gave him a near fanatical, all consuming drive to channel his time and energy into becoming master combatant and a world-class detective.
And a multinational corporation and family fortune that he can use to funnel research for gadgets and junk.
Honestly, I find Batman slightly more realistic than Tony "I revolutionized the entire energy industry in a cave with some random weapon components and a slightly greater amount of free time" Stark.
Shit, Nightwing is just Hawkeye with some Escrima sticks instead of a bow, if you want to get real technical about it.
I agree. Batman does crazy shit but he's down right normal compared to Robert Downey Jr.'s Stark. And I'm including the Timm-verse version.
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EMH created a group of characters with solid traits to work against the other characters and make jokes with. They are not complex but they do just what they set out to do.
YJ tries to be more adult. They try to create deep three-dimensional characters with various multi-episode arcs but the writing just wasn't up to scratch at the beginning. It's getting better though, Joker not withstanding.
the world is undeserving of such good fortune
Oh god can you imagine the shit storm?
during a pan across the carrier deck
name plates on a fighter
one reads "Danvers"
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Probably part of why they've always been my two favorites, they were my first comic books. Then I got into X-Men right around the time of the Muir Island Saga, that and Kings of Pain were the first story arcs I read/owned completely. Then it was X-cutioner's Song, which a buddy of mine read and kept me up to date on, then Fatal Attractions, which neither of us read much of, and after that I just wasn't really into comic books anymore.
But now I'm thinking about getting into Ultimates. I want to check out Ultimate Iron Man, but I've heard a lot of it was retconned as being just a work of in-universe fiction.
yes
I guess it's possible they might change her origin but considering Whedon has been very adamant there will be no Kree or Skrull in Avengers, nor foreshadowing for a future war, I doubt it.
She can still be a SHIELD pilot.
Mostly old people but it wouldn't just be that. I mean we are talking about introducing a completely different version of a character to mainstream audiences. A thing that has never been done before. Every "superman fan" who's never really followed comics will be outraged.
Hey.
Also, that Young Justice Joker looks a lot like David Tennant. It's weirding me out a bit.
No, they don't. The only difference between the two is quality. DC films have failed because they're constantly screwing up the execution. They have many properties they could make films for that require audiences to suspend their disbelief anymore than Marvel's. Marvel made Thor, which was their most daring adaption to date since it requires enormous suspension of disbelief beyond Iron Man (which is just about advanced technology) or Captain America (super-soldier in WW II). There's no reason DC couldn't make a good Manhunter* film.
Can you explain why you think Marvel properties have better consistency?
* Kate Spencer (might make a good tv show, too)
Jeremy Irons.
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For me, it's easier to accept a part magic part science historical Norse "god" than it is to accept a shape changer from Mars when we've already had loads of probes there.
Grand Cataclysm wiped out all the surface buildings and the last remaining Martial lives underground.
Plus he's a spapechanger, so he could just look like a rock when someone pokes around.
It's gonna be a DC v Marvel thing. These things never end well.
That being said, I would fucking LOVE to go see a bunch of interconnected DC movies that are as relatively enjoyable as the Marvel ones, and culminate in a Justice League movie.
I'd go see every single one in theaters. I would spam the trailers constantly. And I'd read long blogs about all the cool easter eggs and cross-references in each film. Just like I do with the Marvel movies.
More importantly, I have no doubt that it can be done. Superman and Batman are perennials and don't really need explaining; Flash is a simple enough concept and everyone loves a smartass. Wonder Woman is basically Thor, only with less crap going on back home. Martian Manhunter is basically Thor as well, only with the "destroyed civilization, last of his kind" storyline which is Superman's as well. Really, only Green Lantern has issues with A. being a really weird concept and B. Being tainted goods ATM. But the latter helps cancel out the former.
Basically, nobody is weirder than Thor IMO, except for Green Lateran and he's been done.
That's okay. If you want to learn about the DCU without reading the comics you can watch the Justice League & Young Justice cartoons.
I can read Moon Knight pretending to be Wolverine and think, "Ok, I can see him doing this." and then I look at previews of nightwing or something and I'm like "How does this even work?"
It works for Batman?
Tony works for me because he's brilliant and built a suit. Steve already had the will, and then got the serum and vita-rays. Ta'Challa has a partial suit and some mystical Wakandan stuff.
Bruce is just a dude with no parents?
Wonder Woman did a similar amount as the recent GL animated film did, yet they never decided to halt his new cartoon series, it's why they refused to green light a sequel. They also refuse to make any animated films with women characters & it's the reason why the Superman/Batman: Supergirl movie was retitled into Doom.
Agreed.
The GL films should have had a lower scale with their conflicts IMO. They can't make a direct adaption of Sinestro Wars or Blackest Night, it costs too much and needs a shitload of set-up.
How about New Gods or Legion of Super-Heroes?
I can see him thinking he is other superheroes
Can also see him getting his ass handed to him because of it
Now I have to go buy whatever he's in right now
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He works as a poor man's Batman, like his original run by Doug Moench. His gear should be dirty and his gear shouldn't be state of the art. He's more vicious, too. The main unique feature is his multiple personality disorder but they shouldn't go overboard like Bendis did. That makes him a joke. He is better served by played straight. Which is disappointing since his MK in Ultimate Spider-man was perfect. His fanatical devotion to Konshu (and whether it exists at all) is another thing that separates him from Batman.
Which gave him a near fanatical, all consuming drive to channel his time and energy into becoming master combatant and a world-class detective.
And a multinational corporation and family fortune that he can use to funnel research for gadgets and junk.
Honestly, I find Batman slightly more realistic than Tony "I revolutionized the entire energy industry in a cave with some random weapon components and a slightly greater amount of free time" Stark.
Shit, Nightwing is just Hawkeye with some Escrima sticks instead of a bow, if you want to get real technical about it.
Eh, no weirder than Guardians of the Galaxy or the Inhumans: but I was talking about the main guys, not the super crazy-ass stuff. My bad.
EDIT: Though I will say Hawkman is weirder than Thor, but that's mainly due to his totally screwy origin trying to share both the ancient Egypt stuff and the Thanagarian stuff. Plus all the Hawkwoman and Hawkgirl stuff making it even more hilariously complex.
No big deal.
I agree. Batman does crazy shit but he's down right normal compared to Robert Downey Jr.'s Stark. And I'm including the Timm-verse version.