Please, everyone, two things with regard to teamleague: tonight is the end of signups, I hope to get some organizing done tomorrow. If you are already signed up, please update with what bracket you'd like to play in. First bracket is GM through diamond, second bracket is plat/gold, third bracket is silver/bronze. For most people, it is pretty obvious which one you are in, but some people give more information than a simple league, which makes it unclear which bracket. So, please, pick one. If you play multiple races at multiple skill levels, feel free to give different brackets for each race. (it would be useful to have people like that when I'm matching appropriate players)
So I think Phoenixes are the way to go in PvP. I never feel like I can get enough damage done with blink stalkers. If they're defensive and have immortals there aren't many openings to poke in.
If I go robo, one play I really like is to just send a warp-prism over their minerals and drop in 3-4 zealots. Usually you can kill a few probes and get out with no losses.
I feel like PvP is so much about small edges. The nice thing about Phoenixes is that you can secure an economy lead, and you can force tech paths that are favorable to you. If they mass blink-stalkers, you can (according to Day 9 at least) switch to double robo and just pump out immortals. If they go Colossus you just stay on Phoenix. If they go DT's you just LOL because hey, observers.
One problem I often have in regular PvP is not knowing when to expand, due to not knowing when the opponent expands. With phoenixes you have the information, and can choose to either all-in or expand and keep up a probe lead.
Anybody have a good stargate build-order? I scratched down these notes after watching a replay, but I haven't really tested it.
Chrono out units from the WG.
Stalker, Sentry, Stalker
Stargate + Gateway @ 31
Robo @ 38
My stargate pvp is either:
13 gate
16 cyber
Chrono out two zealots and poke his base, scout what he's going for, sometimes do some damage
Stargate
2 Gates
or the more standard
12 gate
16 cyber
17 pylon
19 stalker
23 stargate
24 sentry
than add 1-2 gates more
If they look like they are going for a 4 gate, get two sentries out asap, and warp in 2 more instead of pheonixes if they are 4 gating you.
In build # 2, when exactly do you get the second gas? Is this the build you used against me in the CSL?
The second gas is on 19, right after I gas steal the opponent. I actually forgot to put that in there, but that's an important part of it. Gas steal on 18 by cutting probes a little, protect your own gas, and take it as soon as you can.
tvz on entombed. it wasn't cross so I decided (like I would on antiga) just to kill him by throwing down my forth and making him to something about it.
honestly I'd probably do the same on cross because I don't know what else to do
but anyway let me know what you think
@variable Get your engineering bay faster. In this build, you want to hit a +2/+1 attack timing (should be around 14-15mins, right before Blords). Yours was about a min later than it could have been, and as a result so were your upgrades. Save scans for his main once a minute from 13mins onward. Gotta know hive tech, and what sort of hive tech he is going for. Once you see the hive tech, down goes double ghost academies, and then double ghost upgrades. He has broodlords morphing, and you don't have an immediate answer, which means he is going to force you backwards until you have an answer, and by then, you likely wont have an answer to his ling/bling anymore. Vikings are a decent counter to broodlords, but only if he is dumb and doesn't make corruptors and infestors to deal with the vikings. I honestly don't even bother with vikings anymore, just ghosts.
Army awareness and multitasking - He sent mutas into harass, and you chased him away with marines. And those marines stayed there the entire time. Hoz was right, you also left too many units defending. Those tanks at least should be part of your offense, if not the marines too. Once the first big engagement happened, you had 10ish marines at his third which could have been killing the distance mining drones, and then your drop should have focused down his hatchery.
Just forcing him to kill you while you take your fourth requires more of an active effort to defend it. Bunkers, missile turrets, and a planetary. I like to put bunkers behind walls of depots, makes it super frustrating for the zergies.
And lastly, don't rely on that base between the two of you. Take more in the top of the map or that weird rocked island base
I'm getting back into the game after not playing for a year. Was a diamond zerg but this time around I want to learn the other races.
Dhal's guide has given me an idea of where to start for Protoss. What's a good generic opening for a new Terran player?
Terran is far from generic these days
I don't need anything too fancy or match-up specific. I'm just going to fart around in the lower leagues and let my probes and pylons carry me to victory.
Once the first big engagement happened, you had 10ish marines at his third which could have been killing the distance mining drones, and then your drop should have focused down his hatchery.
I think good multitasking is not so much about about fast decision making, but about habits. And something like this can be fixed with good multitasking habits.
This is something I'm trying to fix in my own play, queuing up another action before I take my attention off of engaged units. Like with those marines, shift attack move into the path that the drones would take (but ideally you should have been attacking from that point in that situation). Anything, shift + attack move in the direction of your own army, the direction of their army, a safe zone where you can pick them up later. Just something for them to do when they're done doing their current action while your attention is on something else.
OK guys, I'm back from my Disney trip. Twelve pages huh? Someone wanna recap what I missed out on, or is it the usual T/P/Z/MULES is OP, some Koreans won games, and K-Pop video links?
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OK guys, I'm back from my Disney trip. Twelve pages huh? Someone wanna recap what I missed out on, or is it the usual T/P/Z/MULES is OP, some Koreans won games, and K-Pop video links?
Wait, when was the last time any of that didn't happen?
OK guys, I'm back from my Disney trip. Twelve pages huh? Someone wanna recap what I missed out on, or is it the usual T/P/Z/MULES is OP, some Koreans won games, and K-Pop video links?
You did miss Klyka being completely German on mumble last night.
It was absolute bullplop since you subbed in a new character for the last play, of which no one knows the capabilities. Thereby there will always be an astericks next to your only win Mr.Spoons.
OK guys, I'm back from my Disney trip. Twelve pages huh? Someone wanna recap what I missed out on, or is it the usual T/P/Z/MULES is OP, some Koreans won games, and K-Pop video links?
Wait, when was the last time any of that didn't happen?
Good point. BTW, I think I have a much better shot at getting a job at Disney after that Imagineer trip. Met and interviewed with a lot of cool and important people. Who knows? I might be be living in California in the next 6-8 months?! Trippy!
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I cannot express how in love with Feast's stalker pressure PvT I am. I have won something like 5 games with it, and only one of them has made it past the initial pressure. It feels almost like an all in, except that it is a 1-gate expand build that focuses on probe production and if the aggression is repelled you are ahead, not behind. It seems like low league Terran just don't know how to respond to an aggressive Protoss at all.
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The second gas is on 19, right after I gas steal the opponent. I actually forgot to put that in there, but that's an important part of it. Gas steal on 18 by cutting probes a little, protect your own gas, and take it as soon as you can.
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I'm getting back into the game after not playing for a year. Was a diamond zerg but this time around I want to learn the other races.
Dhal's guide has given me an idea of where to start for Protoss. What's a good generic opening for a new Terran player?
@variable Get your engineering bay faster. In this build, you want to hit a +2/+1 attack timing (should be around 14-15mins, right before Blords). Yours was about a min later than it could have been, and as a result so were your upgrades. Save scans for his main once a minute from 13mins onward. Gotta know hive tech, and what sort of hive tech he is going for. Once you see the hive tech, down goes double ghost academies, and then double ghost upgrades. He has broodlords morphing, and you don't have an immediate answer, which means he is going to force you backwards until you have an answer, and by then, you likely wont have an answer to his ling/bling anymore. Vikings are a decent counter to broodlords, but only if he is dumb and doesn't make corruptors and infestors to deal with the vikings. I honestly don't even bother with vikings anymore, just ghosts.
Army awareness and multitasking - He sent mutas into harass, and you chased him away with marines. And those marines stayed there the entire time. Hoz was right, you also left too many units defending. Those tanks at least should be part of your offense, if not the marines too. Once the first big engagement happened, you had 10ish marines at his third which could have been killing the distance mining drones, and then your drop should have focused down his hatchery.
Just forcing him to kill you while you take your fourth requires more of an active effort to defend it. Bunkers, missile turrets, and a planetary. I like to put bunkers behind walls of depots, makes it super frustrating for the zergies.
And lastly, don't rely on that base between the two of you. Take more in the top of the map or that weird rocked island base
Terran is far from generic these days
I don't need anything too fancy or match-up specific. I'm just going to fart around in the lower leagues and let my probes and pylons carry me to victory.
I think this is what I'm looking for:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/1Rax_1Fact_1Port
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This is something I'm trying to fix in my own play, queuing up another action before I take my attention off of engaged units. Like with those marines, shift attack move into the path that the drones would take (but ideally you should have been attacking from that point in that situation). Anything, shift + attack move in the direction of your own army, the direction of their army, a safe zone where you can pick them up later. Just something for them to do when they're done doing their current action while your attention is on something else.
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Wait, when was the last time any of that didn't happen?
You did miss Klyka being completely German on mumble last night.
I just did a proxy-robo 3-gate warp prism all-in pvt and smashed the guy on shattered temple. That was fun.
I lost a pvp after I killed his third and was still 30 supply ahead. Not fun.
Sorry, no sound.
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Sorry, I had to. It was too good.
BIG asterisk.
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Think I'll go watch it one more time ;-)
Good point. BTW, I think I have a much better shot at getting a job at Disney after that Imagineer trip. Met and interviewed with a lot of cool and important people. Who knows? I might be be living in California in the next 6-8 months?! Trippy!
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Is there any chance some of you could upvote this reddit link?
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/pb0nt/friend_and_fellow_redditor_paul_bunbury_missing/
*Edit, he's been missing since last Thursday and his family are very worried about him. Any help would be much appreciated.
Good luck man.
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