ahri's CDs are already so low you don't need ionians, you'll have blue buff all the time if your team is in any way decent and blue pots the rest of the time
this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
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Wow, I see why Shyvana is so popular! She's got an awesome kit and tons of fun.
this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
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this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
That's only in lane. If you made everyone buy a null mantle to avoid being taken to 0MR, that's a good thing.
Some carry out there running pure damage? Yeah, sorc shoes on Ahri, blow that guy up.
Picked up Vlad, check solo mid, only guide is 240 days old. Should Vlad get the Ionians or Sorcs?
I figure to rush Revolver and primary level Q > R > E > W. Then after revolver and boots 1... just go for the death cap if stomping and rylais if getting focused?
The main reason I run Sorcerer shoes is for the added damage on people with low resistance. Typically the other carries. If we have a lot of AD champs on my team and I am middle lane Lux, every gold they spend on my damage is a win. The last people to buy magic resistance for the low amount of AP is the carries. The people who Lux hits the most with her laser. The funniest part is when you have their carries running veils. Minute cooldown on the shield, less than half that for laser.
Laser them while your teams aren't engaging, then laser them again twenty four seconds later. Listen to them rage. It's delicious.
As for CDR, I tend to run it two ways. I have my normal pubbers build, which uses utility and runes for full CDR at eighteen, and then I rush a MET to top out CDR and to do it early. Laser spam isn't just for the last rank. The drawback is this makes your damage output really low, even more so since you often also want mp/5 runes on Lux. If I am on a team I would really want blue for Lux, and would run a different rune/mastery set. I have to admit I often underestimate the power of getting those damage runes and masteries. they add up a surprising amount, and even more so when you have a deathcap.
To be honest I feel a bit bad about offering that advice earlier, because my state of play with Lux is in flux at the moment. She's a champ with high utility on top of being a carry. If you think hard about how to play her, you'll no doubt end up in the same conflict.
Edit: I think one of the biggest reason mages buy sorcerer shoes is because it's an early buy and with m.pen red standard, you're pretty much negating the other carries during lane, unless they build defenses. It's normally a smart purchase for a good chunk of the game. Also, the boots enhance your damage. Plain and simple. If I am playing a squishy mage I either want more damage or CDR. Normally I get the CDR elsewhere.
Oh, and don't buy it for CDR, but Lux can normally stack a Mejai's really well. If your team is getting kills, you can at least get an assist most of the time. That and she's a really safe champ. To be honest I stopped buying it, but I am rethinking that.
So I used Tiamat on Su... Se... Hog-riding-icechick because her passive is "Basic attacks apply frost to a target." and Tiamat is "Your basic attack does an AoE" so it would be awesome if they worked together... but they don't.
That's because the splash damage from tiamat doesn't interact with anything. Otherwise you would get crazy shit like Nasus getting SS stacks for every minion killed in the splash and Ezreal reducing spell cooldowns by one second for each minion touched.
this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
your comparison of the upgrade price from boots 1 to sorc shoes (750g) and the price of a null magic mantle (400g) isn't fair because when you get sorc shoes you're also paying for boots 2 movement speed, not just the flat mpen
I'm not sure what the standard price for the movement speed component of boots 2 is but I'm sure it accounts for a chunk of that
Also this game isn't just about your ability to duel your lane opponent; you buy sorc shoes so that you can do more damage to everyone on their team, not just the guy in your lane. In this regard sorc shoes are more valuable for the ap carry than merc treads will ever be.
Also, I believe Kayle's passive is a % magic resist and armour debuff
Had a really fun game of dominion. The strategy? Send wave after wave of Rivens at the enemy. I had a pocket zilean and a bot lane yorick. I had a GA too
They would have to kill me 2-4 times before I stayed dead depending on where it took place.
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Had a really fun game of dominion. The strategy? Send wave after wave of Rivens at the enemy. I had a pocket zilean and a bot lane yorick. I had a GA too
They would have to kill me 2-4 times before I stayed dead depending on where it took place.
Considering Riven should be killing someone by herself every time she dies, that is kind of horrifying.
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yeah if you dont buy sorc shoes because youre afraid of somebody buying a null-magic mantle u dum
defensive items in lol are more effective than offensive items in lol, for pretty obvious reasons
Talith am I right in thinking that with Boots of Mobility Riven's Q might slow her movement?
Also I'm only 3/4 sure on this, but character sheet magic pen doesn't apply if your target gets to 0 or below MR, which can happen if you have Fiddlesticks/Amumu/Soraka/Ryze/Morgana on the team. It would be the best of teams.
It's pretty nice to wipe out a minion wave with two stacks of it, but later in the game it stops mattering since you'll nuke a wave with just one E.
Boots are your preference. Some people like more damage with sorc shoes, some like more damage by more frequent casts from Ionian. I'm in the Ionian camp, because late-game 2.5 second CD on Transfusion is awesome. Care to make a donation?
I kinda like sorc shoes and rushing a haunting guise after wota is done, makes for mad damage on people with mr runes who don't build any mr items early.
I tried Sej for the first time. Tried double warmogs with mercs, FH, FoN and Trinity. Tanky as fuck. Not even fully levelled her W aoe was 160dmg a second, 240dmg a second to anyone with frost on. With some cdr from FH it basically has 100% up time and her mana costs are really low. Charging a group, activating W, nuking everyone with E = enemy team crippled ms and pretty rapid sustained hp drain. Plus stun for additional fun times.
Obviously this is with no mpen though. I wonder if just VS instead of Tri would be better. Doesn't seem like a particularly great champion but it's always kind of fun to pick another beefy mcgivesnoshits character to play.
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this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
Ap guys run mpen runes so just buy that null mantle as your first item
this isn't an opinion, it's math. if you buy sorc shoes I'm going to buy a null mantle and be +350 gold every time. flat spell pen in general is a gimmick that craps out very quickly.
actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
I agree with this, broadly speaking. I buy sorc shoes in some dom builds because people are really lazy about MR there often until it is too late, but when I am mage v. mage mid, nothing pleases me more than watching them buy sorc boots vs. my treads. I spent a little more gold, sure, but now you actually do absolutely less damage to me than you did before them, as well as having relatively less damage and relatively shorter stuns as well.
Flat Pen has its places, but broadly speaking, grabbing the one overpowered as fuck %pen item is a better deal.
Yeah, but mids usually build for end game team fights, not the laning phase. Unless your extra damage is enough to push them out of the lane they'll be getting the better end of the stick come end game, unless your team doesn't even build incidental magic resist.
I thought sending an AP mid was so that you crushed the enemy team with your explosive AoE when you teamfight around dragon at level 8.
that's one of the reasons yes
mpen also helps you push faster, which diminishes your lane opponent's presence and pressure, giving you more freedom to go gank side lanes (especially bot, who rarely have MR at any point before mid-to-late game)
I usually go with mercury treads, last whisper, black cleaver, inifinity edge, and then some attack speed items or support (like armor or magic resist) items if it calls for it.
Runes are armor pen reds, flat armor yellows, magic resist blues, and flat damage quintessences
Mastery is something like 24/6/0. I'm only level 23 so i don't have full build as far as runes and masteries
At the point that you but sorcs (early game) I would expect people to have thirty mr in mid
Reducing mr from 30 to 10 is about an 18% damage increase
Reducing mr from 50 to 30 is about a 15% increase but it's on a smaller base number
And this is on your (possibly shitty) early game damage
Late game against tanks it has a negligible effect but it is still an 18% increase against the ranged ad who built no MR
Also factor in the benefits you get from the boots you actually bought when making your decision
This math is making me want boots 5 every game
Edit: I realized I forgot to factor in the ten percent penetration mastery
It makes the sorcs SLIGHTLY better in every case
Same with magic pen runes
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actually it does for xerath too. the people it really works for are like wukong because of how his Q works, there isn't a caster equivalent I don't think. is there any debuff that reduces mr by a %?
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void staff?
Some carry out there running pure damage? Yeah, sorc shoes on Ahri, blow that guy up.
Nice, keep it up.
I figure to rush Revolver and primary level Q > R > E > W. Then after revolver and boots 1... just go for the death cap if stomping and rylais if getting focused?
Also, how important is it to stack E when laning?
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Laser them while your teams aren't engaging, then laser them again twenty four seconds later. Listen to them rage. It's delicious.
As for CDR, I tend to run it two ways. I have my normal pubbers build, which uses utility and runes for full CDR at eighteen, and then I rush a MET to top out CDR and to do it early. Laser spam isn't just for the last rank. The drawback is this makes your damage output really low, even more so since you often also want mp/5 runes on Lux. If I am on a team I would really want blue for Lux, and would run a different rune/mastery set. I have to admit I often underestimate the power of getting those damage runes and masteries. they add up a surprising amount, and even more so when you have a deathcap.
To be honest I feel a bit bad about offering that advice earlier, because my state of play with Lux is in flux at the moment. She's a champ with high utility on top of being a carry. If you think hard about how to play her, you'll no doubt end up in the same conflict.
Edit: I think one of the biggest reason mages buy sorcerer shoes is because it's an early buy and with m.pen red standard, you're pretty much negating the other carries during lane, unless they build defenses. It's normally a smart purchase for a good chunk of the game. Also, the boots enhance your damage. Plain and simple. If I am playing a squishy mage I either want more damage or CDR. Normally I get the CDR elsewhere.
Oh, and don't buy it for CDR, but Lux can normally stack a Mejai's really well. If your team is getting kills, you can at least get an assist most of the time. That and she's a really safe champ. To be honest I stopped buying it, but I am rethinking that.
I was sad.
I had 4k gold left at the end of this one, just no time to buy between killing people.
your comparison of the upgrade price from boots 1 to sorc shoes (750g) and the price of a null magic mantle (400g) isn't fair because when you get sorc shoes you're also paying for boots 2 movement speed, not just the flat mpen
I'm not sure what the standard price for the movement speed component of boots 2 is but I'm sure it accounts for a chunk of that
Also this game isn't just about your ability to duel your lane opponent; you buy sorc shoes so that you can do more damage to everyone on their team, not just the guy in your lane. In this regard sorc shoes are more valuable for the ap carry than merc treads will ever be.
Also, I believe Kayle's passive is a % magic resist and armour debuff
They would have to kill me 2-4 times before I stayed dead depending on where it took place.
defensive items in lol are more effective than offensive items in lol, for pretty obvious reasons
I assume you accidentally switched "defensive" and "offensive" in that second sentence
which is wat i meant
obvs though you never buy defensive items because that is COWARDICE
Early on defense can work though I suppose.
Also I'm only 3/4 sure on this, but character sheet magic pen doesn't apply if your target gets to 0 or below MR, which can happen if you have Fiddlesticks/Amumu/Soraka/Ryze/Morgana on the team. It would be the best of teams.
I had a solo top against LeBlanc/Vlad once. Because apparently duo mid was the hottest meta or something.
My shit, it was pushed in.
they're more gold efficient when compared point for point with ad/ap I guess but are significantly devalued by last whisper/voidstaff/other pen
edit: to the point where offensive items are more efficient
It's pretty nice to wipe out a minion wave with two stacks of it, but later in the game it stops mattering since you'll nuke a wave with just one E.
Boots are your preference. Some people like more damage with sorc shoes, some like more damage by more frequent casts from Ionian. I'm in the Ionian camp, because late-game 2.5 second CD on Transfusion is awesome. Care to make a donation?
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Gangplank jungle
Some mid (Vlad if possible)
Sivir & Taric bot
Incoming megabuffed Sivir clone.
Obviously this is with no mpen though. I wonder if just VS instead of Tri would be better. Doesn't seem like a particularly great champion but it's always kind of fun to pick another beefy mcgivesnoshits character to play.
Ap guys run mpen runes so just buy that null mantle as your first item
I agree with this, broadly speaking. I buy sorc shoes in some dom builds because people are really lazy about MR there often until it is too late, but when I am mage v. mage mid, nothing pleases me more than watching them buy sorc boots vs. my treads. I spent a little more gold, sure, but now you actually do absolutely less damage to me than you did before them, as well as having relatively less damage and relatively shorter stuns as well.
Flat Pen has its places, but broadly speaking, grabbing the one overpowered as fuck %pen item is a better deal.
that's one of the reasons yes
mpen also helps you push faster, which diminishes your lane opponent's presence and pressure, giving you more freedom to go gank side lanes (especially bot, who rarely have MR at any point before mid-to-late game)
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I usually go with mercury treads, last whisper, black cleaver, inifinity edge, and then some attack speed items or support (like armor or magic resist) items if it calls for it.
Runes are armor pen reds, flat armor yellows, magic resist blues, and flat damage quintessences
Mastery is something like 24/6/0. I'm only level 23 so i don't have full build as far as runes and masteries
Reducing mr from 30 to 10 is about an 18% damage increase
Reducing mr from 50 to 30 is about a 15% increase but it's on a smaller base number
And this is on your (possibly shitty) early game damage
Late game against tanks it has a negligible effect but it is still an 18% increase against the ranged ad who built no MR
Also factor in the benefits you get from the boots you actually bought when making your decision
This math is making me want boots 5 every game
Edit: I realized I forgot to factor in the ten percent penetration mastery
It makes the sorcs SLIGHTLY better in every case
Same with magic pen runes