So, the intermediate bot games are where the new AIs are hiding.
And they're pretty crafty too! Sure, they're not pro level, but they're way way better than the plain old bots.
They will try to profit from openings if you get too close with good combos, they sometimes switch lanes, or roam and gank.
Fiddles Bot and Karthus Bot are demons incarnate. Oh and Ziggs too.
Cait has a 1vs1 version of Karthus's ult going. Are you in range and will her ult kill you? Congrats, the moment your health dips even a single point below the threshold your ass is grass.
So three ranked games in a row edged me over nine hundred. Whupee. Maybe by the end of the season I'll be up to a thousand. Yahoooooooooooo...
Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams.
sure buddy
I feel like just leaving it at that is a dipshit move, but really, I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say. every single person in your position thinks they're the put-upon one that gets screwed every game, but you're the only common factor in all your games that led you to playing with zerker boots ashe and aa rush kassadin.
So three ranked games in a row edged me over nine hundred. Whupee. Maybe by the end of the season I'll be up to a thousand. Yahoooooooooooo...
Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
Elo is only inaccurate at lower numbers of games played. Keep playing and it will get pretty close to your "true" Elo.
According to that pic you have 34 games played. Keep playing, you'll get to your "true" Elo eventually.
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So three ranked games in a row edged me over nine hundred. Whupee. Maybe by the end of the season I'll be up to a thousand. Yahoooooooooooo...
Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
Elo is only inaccurate at lower numbers of games played. Keep playing and it will get pretty close to your "true" Elo.
According to that pic you have 34 games played. Keep playing, you'll get to your "true" Elo eventually.
Yeah, that's one of my gripes. Elo can get out of whack really fast, but takes time to fix.
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Daris. How many times do you have to bring this up? Seriously man. The opinions of people in the thread aren't any different than they were before. ELO is fine. Your playing, evidently, is not.
So three ranked games in a row edged me over nine hundred. Whupee. Maybe by the end of the season I'll be up to a thousand. Yahoooooooooooo...
Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
Elo is only inaccurate at lower numbers of games played. Keep playing and it will get pretty close to your "true" Elo.
According to that pic you have 34 games played. Keep playing, you'll get to your "true" Elo eventually.
Yeah, that's one of my gripes. Elo can get out of whack really fast, but takes time to fix.
That's the thing though, it will fix itself eventually. You seem to keep forgetting that the game doesn't just saddle you with bad players, those bad players are on the opposite team as well. If you are truly at an Elo that is not appropriate for your skill level then the net positive will be on your team since you will be more skilled than the others on your team and the ones on the enemy team. By this logic you should win more games and subsequently raise your Elo.
If you notice that your Elo is not gradually rising than you may want to reevaluate your playstyle and look long and hard at your own games to correct any mistakes you may be making. I suggest using LoLreplay and really sitting down and evaluating your losses to see what you could have done differently to change the outcome.
The system itself is not at fault here.
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At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams.
sure buddy
I feel like just leaving it at that is a dipshit move, but really, I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say. every single person in your position thinks they're the put-upon one that gets screwed every game, but you're the only common factor in all your games that led you to playing with zerker boots ashe and aa rush kassadin.
No, the common factor in all my ranked games is me doing well. Warding, not feeding, winning lane/jungle, helping other lanes, securing dragon/baron, and generally being an asset if not the best player on my team. Not one of the ranked games I have played involved me playing poorly. That's not my opinion, that's a fact I have verified by examining my games and trying to improve so I could put bad players on my back and win more.
Could I have warded more?
Was I buying the right items?
How was my CS?
Did I give the other team kills I could have avoided?
The best way to play well is to constantly review what you did, and find ways to change for the better. No one is a great player because they just naturally have skill at the game. You have to be willing to acknowledge your mistakes.
During Christmas week though? I was grouped with utter trash that I just could NOT carry to a win. That is a large chunk of my games played, and was right as I was getting assigned elo. That is the reason I am at a low elo wondering if I want to invest the number of games that will be required to climb out.
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At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams.
sure buddy
I feel like just leaving it at that is a dipshit move, but really, I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say. every single person in your position thinks they're the put-upon one that gets screwed every game, but you're the only common factor in all your games that led you to playing with zerker boots ashe and aa rush kassadin.
No, the common factor in all my ranked games is me doing well. Warding, not feeding, winning lane/jungle, helping other lanes, securing dragon/baron, and generally being an asset if not the best player on my team. Not one of the ranked games I have played involved me playing poorly. That's not my opinion, that's a fact I have verified by examining my games and trying to improve so I could put bad players on my back and win more.
Could I have warded more?
Was I buying the right items?
How was my CS?
Did I give the other team kills I could have avoided?
The best way to play well is to constantly review what you did, and find ways to change for the better. No one is a great player because they just naturally have skill at the game. You have to be willing to acknowledge your mistakes.
During Christmas week though? I was grouped with utter trash that I just could NOT carry to a win. That is a large chunk of my games played, and was right as I was getting assigned elo. That is the reason I am at a low elo wondering if I want to invest the number of games that will be required to climb out.
You might be better than your allies but you are obviously not good enough to the point where you're capable of pulling those guys across the finish line. Plus I see you play jungler a lot in your screenshots, which is arguably the role which can have the most impact on the game (solo mid would be the other one). Maybe try a more aggressive ganking jungler instead of Shyvana who has garbage town ganks.
Regardless, the system isn't out to get you. As people have told you time and time again, if you're legitimately that good, then you should win more often than you lose by sheer virtue of the other team having 5 chances at someone terrible and your team only having four. It is also hard to take you seriously when you say you do well every game and your teammates are always terrible. Everyone has off games sometimes.
You're probably not playing champs that snowball hard enough then. If you're really 300+ or more elo above your competition, carrying with a snowball champ should be trivial.
So three ranked games in a row edged me over nine hundred. Whupee. Maybe by the end of the season I'll be up to a thousand. Yahoooooooooooo...
Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
Take this reply as constructive criticism and not as an insult: Your entire post is completely meaningless. KDA is meaningless if you win, and most players can maintain a positive KDA if that's all they cared about in a game. Yes, you always have a chance of getting terrible team mates, but that's true for everyone at any Elo, and for the other team as well. You can't help it, so why bitch about it, instead of improving your own play where you can?
I've only played maybe 4 games with you and I can tell you that you completely lack a sense for objectives or game flow. You don't do any buff control- you don't time anything, which leaves your own buffs open for counterjungling, and the enemy's buffs un-counterjunglable except by pure chance. You don't have a developed intuition for what should be happening, so you're often farming somewhere as both teams are trying to contest Baron. As jungler, these are hugely important skills, as junglers are often the ones that have the most time to view the map and decide when it's best for the team to make plays. Stop blaming your team, and start blaming yourself for not herding your team. You'll never improve unless you find faults in yourself.
At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams.
sure buddy
I feel like just leaving it at that is a dipshit move, but really, I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say. every single person in your position thinks they're the put-upon one that gets screwed every game, but you're the only common factor in all your games that led you to playing with zerker boots ashe and aa rush kassadin.
No, the common factor in all my ranked games is me doing well. Warding, not feeding, winning lane/jungle, helping other lanes, securing dragon/baron, and generally being an asset if not the best player on my team. Not one of the ranked games I have played involved me playing poorly. That's not my opinion, that's a fact I have verified by examining my games and trying to improve so I could put bad players on my back and win more.
Could I have warded more?
Was I buying the right items?
How was my CS?
Did I give the other team kills I could have avoided?
The best way to play well is to constantly review what you did, and find ways to change for the better. No one is a great player because they just naturally have skill at the game. You have to be willing to acknowledge your mistakes.
During Christmas week though? I was grouped with utter trash that I just could NOT carry to a win. That is a large chunk of my games played, and was right as I was getting assigned elo. That is the reason I am at a low elo wondering if I want to invest the number of games that will be required to climb out.
this is such profound bullshit and evasion to the point where the bolded makes me laugh out loud. not even one game played poorly? then there's no reason you should be 900 elo for reasons that are too basic and elementary for me to waste my time detailing. if you don't belong there, you should have at least begun to carry your way out. also, it's kind of weird how you never mention actual teamfights, which is kind of where the entire concept of carrying tends to culminate.
I mean, I don't think many people actually care what you tell yourself, but I don't think I'm speaking just for myself when I say that hearing ye olde league rationalization of "it's everyone else's fault all the time forever" when I'm not even playing the game is just infuriating. it tweaks my rage center and makes me want to slam words into my computer until I never read it again.
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If your team is dumb, it is your job to instruct them on how to play better, whether that be by coersion or helpful instruction. Failing that, it is your job to go with them and try to mitigate how retarded it is. Yeah, maybe you SHOULD go take baron or dragon right now, but if all your team wants to do is push bottom tower for no fucking reason, then it is your job to go push bottom tower for no fucking reason and make it the best it could be.
Right. There are clearly some very different value systems at work here.
Perhaps. I find leaving 3 other people high and dry and almost guaranteeing them a loss to be a reprehensible act. Especially when a simple command typed in chat can remove the offenders comments from ever reaching you. It is quite another story if said offender is actively making the game difficult by intentionally feeding, or calling out team positions in all chat. (Even then I would still just ignore him and report after the game was done) However according to your account this was not the case. He was simply saying things in chat that irritated you, and instead of ignoring him you quit the game screwing over 3 other people.
So I do agree, there are different value systems at work here.
You dont even need to know the command to type, just bring up the scoreboard, and click on the speech bubble for the person you want to ignore.
my teammates may suck but even they can kill someone with 700 health shield bombs that opponents simply cannot deal with
Total bullshit, Jars. If you go into a game expecting to 0 CS support, and your team sucks, you are fucked 999 times out of 1000, because you're already several thousand gold behind the fed enemy top by the time you realize everyone else sucks, and there's a decent chance your AD will birth a baby kitten right there in the middle of bottom lane if you decide they suck and you need CS too, which has implications for the teamwork you need to win late game.
I mean, I don't think many people actually care what you tell yourself, but I don't think I'm speaking just for myself when I say that hearing ye olde league rationalization of "it's everyone else's fault all the time forever" when I'm not even playing the game is just infuriating. it tweaks my rage center and makes me want to slam words into my computer until I never read it again.
I wonder if that Kassadin was like "god I'm so fucking good at this game how am I stuck in the 800s? I carry my team every game. I've got the best summoner skill combo (CV/Ignite, to save my allies from enemy ganks but they still don't notice); I've got the best item build (Rushing AA, look how good it was best KDA on the team!); best gold on the team. But my allies always lose. I can't carry hard enough for them."
Edit: I also love the chat. Jayden006 says, "wth +6 elo," because this matchup totally should have been worth more elo gain. SpartanofGods is cheering because he's back out of the 800s where he doesn't belong. And GarciaVega complains that he loses all his elo on weekends because he only gets matched with noobs. Nevermind that none of them broke 100 CS in a 20 minute match.
I'm 6-1 on support sion in ranked and the last game was an easy win until someone left and we still almost won the 4v5. that was at 1400 anyway, 1200 I would have won the 4v5
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Thanks for the input guys. I'll take the time to respond in kind:
Chaos, you are entirely right. I started playing Shyvana a lot more after Christmas time mainly because she can carry harder than a lot of my other mains. I have been turning around my elo by actually playing more game. Hence my griping that it takes so many games to do so. I have also improved my Leona a bit, and am starting to become more of a force as her. My biggest fear is i might be falling off a bit as an ability power middle lane from all the support/jungle play.
Zyrxil, I'm really not sure where you're even coming from with a lot of what you're saying. With the exception of timing the buffs precisely. I do not jot down the specific time mobs will be respawning. I am really good about keeping up with the time though. Generally speaking, I don't lose a lot of jungle and I steal a hell of a lot of it. I have seen a trend where if I am losing a buff to the enemy team, it is because they are stealing at the same time I am, or they are bringing more than one person into our jungler and my team isn't helping me even the numbers. I have had games where I literally would have every single enemy blue or red buff over the course of the entire game.
As to game flow or not being around for team fights... I don't know what to say to that. I'll admit it was a bit of an issue when I started playing Shyvana, but I have worked on that and it has become less and less of an issue. Lately if I am in a situation where I was out of position, or my team was, it's more a lack of communication than me being a klepto jungler. Often times, even in PA games, what I type out gets ignored and we end up with our team out of position. I have taken to just following what other people are saying to an extent, but I can't just bring myself to sometimes. My comment about the AD carry wandering off because the team decides to abandon the lane when the enemy is still pushing it pertains to PA groups as well as normal games. I don't really feel your criticisms are accurate, and at best some of them are dated. Also, when did I bring KDA into things? I will be kind of miffed if my Shyvana score ends up looking like a Leona score, but I don't put weight on the statistic past it's actual value.
Torgairon, you're jumping to conclusions you can't back up or validate. You can have a good game, and look back and find mistakes. I never said I was perfect. You read 'good' and assumed I was under the impression I thought I played flawless games. That's a mistake on your part. Try laughing less and thinking more, maybe I'll take what you say as having any value. Until you have anything constructive, or even remotely intelligent, I don't have much more to say to you.
my teammates may suck but even they can kill someone with 700 health shield bombs that opponents simply cannot deal with
Total bullshit, Jars. If you go into a game expecting to 0 CS support, and your team sucks, you are fucked 999 times out of 1000, because you're already several thousand gold behind the fed enemy top by the time you realize everyone else sucks, and there's a decent chance your AD will birth a baby kitten right there in the middle of bottom lane if you decide they suck and you need CS too, which has implications for the teamwork you need to win late game.
I have had games as support where I felt like I carried a team. Supports like Alistair, Sona, Leona, and Sion can go a long way to turn around people not playing well. Hard CC and good support can really tip a game. Even a bad ranged ad who is out of position, can't land a skillshot, or misuses abilities can kill someone locked down and dropped in their lap gift wrapped.
That said, I did totally just win my 1497 ranked game due to both winning my lane and then giving good direction at the right time to my teammates. Now, in their credit, Skarner's level 4 gank was awesome, and they did listen (I mean, I've seen people who when warned not to stick their dicks into the fire, did it anyways, despite the fact they ought to have known not to, and were told not to, but whatever...), but 2/3 lanes lost their lanes, though we still crushed them badly due to map objectives (Baron ) and team fights.
Still, I've seen basically every possible permutation of the game in terms of how much effect one player has on a win.
Torgairon, you're jumping to conclusions you can't back up or validate. You can have a good game, and look back and find mistakes. I never said I was perfect. You read 'good' and assumed I was under the impression I thought I played flawless games. That's a mistake on your part. Try laughing less and thinking more, maybe I'll take what you say as having any value. Until you have anything constructive, or even remotely intelligent, I don't have much more to say to you.
Not one of the ranked games I have played involved me playing poorly
At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams
alrighty then
also, there's no point in saying anything constructive to the guy that's convinced he has nowhere to go but to the thrift store to buy a lucky charm to help him get into lobbies with people on the enemy team that are substantially worse than him. even if I liked you in general from your posting, I wouldn't bluesky this stuff for you and tell you that even though you never give any reasoning for your own faults, or even indicate that you have any at all, somehow you're at 900 elo because the system is fucking you. it's a goddamn joke and I really dislike you even more for making me have to explicitly explain all of this to you.
edit: daris, if you thought that I or anyone here could help your game in any way, what would it be?
That said, I did totally just win my 1497 ranked game due to both winning my lane and then giving good direction at the right time to my teammates. Now, in their credit, Skarner's level 4 gank was awesome, and they did listen (I mean, I've seen people who when warned not to stick their dicks into the fire, did it anyways, despite the fact they ought to have known not to, and were told not to, but whatever...), but 2/3 lanes lost their lanes, though we still crushed them badly due to map objectives (Baron ) and team fights.
Still, I've seen basically every possible permutation of the game in terms of how much effect one player has on a win.
My thing is just to win the lane so damn hard that 2 people automatically want to quit at 20 minutes. It's worked fantastically well, except for the one time Lee Sin was everywhere at all times and wouldn't let us kill his ad carry, and the one time that the surrender vote failed 3/2 and our Vlad proceeded to go rambo and initiaate 1v3s, 1v4s and 2v5s. Oh, and a dc in there. Those are my three losses in my last 16 ranked.
Those intermediate bots love to pull off stuff like a flash galio ult into MF + Fiddlesticks AoE massacre.
I played what was definitely the hardest Dominion game that I've ever won (out of ~60 games), and ended the match with a "GG WP". Then I scoreboard came up and I found out that I had accidentally done a bot game. Those fuckers are murderous, and I could not tell them from humans at all in 22 minutes.
Also, I asked you about a Riven guide to jungling that (I think) you posted a while back for someone else. Any chance you can repost that?
which reinforces my point. if my crappy self with absolutely no map awareness can stomp 1200 elo like it's nothing then maybe the problem isn't your teammates
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Hehe. Speaking of Nunu and Galio I'm been meaning to check if Nautilus' passive would interrupt their ults. I may test this tonight.
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That is GLORIOUS. Automatic Anti-Galio passive.
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Awwww. I'll test it anyways tonight to be sure.
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Of course, every game I catch with a team that can't do a single thing right, that will knock me back down under eight hundred.
Someone explain to me why elo doesn't suck? It's highly inaccurate, and you have to play a huge amount of games to counteract that inaccuracy. At least, if you're like me and end up with a losing streak that is due entirely to having god awful teams. Thank goodness the other team was zero threat in team fights. Engage, let Wukong ultimate, run out with burnout. Then, if you survive with enough health, turn around and help your team butcher them.
Edit: Two of my deaths were to turret. The first was due to pathfinding BS when I dived Kass. Yes, I dived Kassadin at six. He had no mana left after getting away from me, low health, and I had exhaust and my ultimate. The second was due to Shen running out of turret after one hit and I ended up tanking it chasing someone...
sure buddy
I feel like just leaving it at that is a dipshit move, but really, I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say. every single person in your position thinks they're the put-upon one that gets screwed every game, but you're the only common factor in all your games that led you to playing with zerker boots ashe and aa rush kassadin.
Elo is only inaccurate at lower numbers of games played. Keep playing and it will get pretty close to your "true" Elo.
According to that pic you have 34 games played. Keep playing, you'll get to your "true" Elo eventually.
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Yeah, that's one of my gripes. Elo can get out of whack really fast, but takes time to fix.
That's the thing though, it will fix itself eventually. You seem to keep forgetting that the game doesn't just saddle you with bad players, those bad players are on the opposite team as well. If you are truly at an Elo that is not appropriate for your skill level then the net positive will be on your team since you will be more skilled than the others on your team and the ones on the enemy team. By this logic you should win more games and subsequently raise your Elo.
If you notice that your Elo is not gradually rising than you may want to reevaluate your playstyle and look long and hard at your own games to correct any mistakes you may be making. I suggest using LoLreplay and really sitting down and evaluating your losses to see what you could have done differently to change the outcome.
The system itself is not at fault here.
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No, the common factor in all my ranked games is me doing well. Warding, not feeding, winning lane/jungle, helping other lanes, securing dragon/baron, and generally being an asset if not the best player on my team. Not one of the ranked games I have played involved me playing poorly. That's not my opinion, that's a fact I have verified by examining my games and trying to improve so I could put bad players on my back and win more.
Could I have warded more?
Was I buying the right items?
How was my CS?
Did I give the other team kills I could have avoided?
The best way to play well is to constantly review what you did, and find ways to change for the better. No one is a great player because they just naturally have skill at the game. You have to be willing to acknowledge your mistakes.
During Christmas week though? I was grouped with utter trash that I just could NOT carry to a win. That is a large chunk of my games played, and was right as I was getting assigned elo. That is the reason I am at a low elo wondering if I want to invest the number of games that will be required to climb out.
You might be better than your allies but you are obviously not good enough to the point where you're capable of pulling those guys across the finish line. Plus I see you play jungler a lot in your screenshots, which is arguably the role which can have the most impact on the game (solo mid would be the other one). Maybe try a more aggressive ganking jungler instead of Shyvana who has garbage town ganks.
Regardless, the system isn't out to get you. As people have told you time and time again, if you're legitimately that good, then you should win more often than you lose by sheer virtue of the other team having 5 chances at someone terrible and your team only having four. It is also hard to take you seriously when you say you do well every game and your teammates are always terrible. Everyone has off games sometimes.
Maybe you should try duo queuing.
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my teammates may suck but even they can kill someone with 700 health shield bombs that opponents simply cannot deal with
Take this reply as constructive criticism and not as an insult: Your entire post is completely meaningless. KDA is meaningless if you win, and most players can maintain a positive KDA if that's all they cared about in a game. Yes, you always have a chance of getting terrible team mates, but that's true for everyone at any Elo, and for the other team as well. You can't help it, so why bitch about it, instead of improving your own play where you can?
I've only played maybe 4 games with you and I can tell you that you completely lack a sense for objectives or game flow. You don't do any buff control- you don't time anything, which leaves your own buffs open for counterjungling, and the enemy's buffs un-counterjunglable except by pure chance. You don't have a developed intuition for what should be happening, so you're often farming somewhere as both teams are trying to contest Baron. As jungler, these are hugely important skills, as junglers are often the ones that have the most time to view the map and decide when it's best for the team to make plays. Stop blaming your team, and start blaming yourself for not herding your team. You'll never improve unless you find faults in yourself.
this is such profound bullshit and evasion to the point where the bolded makes me laugh out loud. not even one game played poorly? then there's no reason you should be 900 elo for reasons that are too basic and elementary for me to waste my time detailing. if you don't belong there, you should have at least begun to carry your way out. also, it's kind of weird how you never mention actual teamfights, which is kind of where the entire concept of carrying tends to culminate.
I mean, I don't think many people actually care what you tell yourself, but I don't think I'm speaking just for myself when I say that hearing ye olde league rationalization of "it's everyone else's fault all the time forever" when I'm not even playing the game is just infuriating. it tweaks my rage center and makes me want to slam words into my computer until I never read it again.
Words to live and die by.
MWO: Adamski
Total bullshit, Jars. If you go into a game expecting to 0 CS support, and your team sucks, you are fucked 999 times out of 1000, because you're already several thousand gold behind the fed enemy top by the time you realize everyone else sucks, and there's a decent chance your AD will birth a baby kitten right there in the middle of bottom lane if you decide they suck and you need CS too, which has implications for the teamwork you need to win late game.
I wonder if that Kassadin was like "god I'm so fucking good at this game how am I stuck in the 800s? I carry my team every game. I've got the best summoner skill combo (CV/Ignite, to save my allies from enemy ganks but they still don't notice); I've got the best item build (Rushing AA, look how good it was best KDA on the team!); best gold on the team. But my allies always lose. I can't carry hard enough for them."
Edit: I also love the chat. Jayden006 says, "wth +6 elo," because this matchup totally should have been worth more elo gain. SpartanofGods is cheering because he's back out of the 800s where he doesn't belong. And GarciaVega complains that he loses all his elo on weekends because he only gets matched with noobs. Nevermind that none of them broke 100 CS in a 20 minute match.
Chaos, you are entirely right. I started playing Shyvana a lot more after Christmas time mainly because she can carry harder than a lot of my other mains. I have been turning around my elo by actually playing more game. Hence my griping that it takes so many games to do so. I have also improved my Leona a bit, and am starting to become more of a force as her. My biggest fear is i might be falling off a bit as an ability power middle lane from all the support/jungle play.
Zyrxil, I'm really not sure where you're even coming from with a lot of what you're saying. With the exception of timing the buffs precisely. I do not jot down the specific time mobs will be respawning. I am really good about keeping up with the time though. Generally speaking, I don't lose a lot of jungle and I steal a hell of a lot of it. I have seen a trend where if I am losing a buff to the enemy team, it is because they are stealing at the same time I am, or they are bringing more than one person into our jungler and my team isn't helping me even the numbers. I have had games where I literally would have every single enemy blue or red buff over the course of the entire game.
As to game flow or not being around for team fights... I don't know what to say to that. I'll admit it was a bit of an issue when I started playing Shyvana, but I have worked on that and it has become less and less of an issue. Lately if I am in a situation where I was out of position, or my team was, it's more a lack of communication than me being a klepto jungler. Often times, even in PA games, what I type out gets ignored and we end up with our team out of position. I have taken to just following what other people are saying to an extent, but I can't just bring myself to sometimes. My comment about the AD carry wandering off because the team decides to abandon the lane when the enemy is still pushing it pertains to PA groups as well as normal games. I don't really feel your criticisms are accurate, and at best some of them are dated. Also, when did I bring KDA into things? I will be kind of miffed if my Shyvana score ends up looking like a Leona score, but I don't put weight on the statistic past it's actual value.
Torgairon, you're jumping to conclusions you can't back up or validate. You can have a good game, and look back and find mistakes. I never said I was perfect. You read 'good' and assumed I was under the impression I thought I played flawless games. That's a mistake on your part. Try laughing less and thinking more, maybe I'll take what you say as having any value. Until you have anything constructive, or even remotely intelligent, I don't have much more to say to you.
I live by them. Even saying that, people will still assume you don't.
I have had games as support where I felt like I carried a team. Supports like Alistair, Sona, Leona, and Sion can go a long way to turn around people not playing well. Hard CC and good support can really tip a game. Even a bad ranged ad who is out of position, can't land a skillshot, or misuses abilities can kill someone locked down and dropped in their lap gift wrapped.
Still, I've seen basically every possible permutation of the game in terms of how much effect one player has on a win.
alrighty then
also, there's no point in saying anything constructive to the guy that's convinced he has nowhere to go but to the thrift store to buy a lucky charm to help him get into lobbies with people on the enemy team that are substantially worse than him. even if I liked you in general from your posting, I wouldn't bluesky this stuff for you and tell you that even though you never give any reasoning for your own faults, or even indicate that you have any at all, somehow you're at 900 elo because the system is fucking you. it's a goddamn joke and I really dislike you even more for making me have to explicitly explain all of this to you.
edit: daris, if you thought that I or anyone here could help your game in any way, what would it be?
My thing is just to win the lane so damn hard that 2 people automatically want to quit at 20 minutes. It's worked fantastically well, except for the one time Lee Sin was everywhere at all times and wouldn't let us kill his ad carry, and the one time that the surrender vote failed 3/2 and our Vlad proceeded to go rambo and initiaate 1v3s, 1v4s and 2v5s. Oh, and a dc in there. Those are my three losses in my last 16 ranked.
I played what was definitely the hardest Dominion game that I've ever won (out of ~60 games), and ended the match with a "GG WP". Then I scoreboard came up and I found out that I had accidentally done a bot game. Those fuckers are murderous, and I could not tell them from humans at all in 22 minutes.
Also, I asked you about a Riven guide to jungling that (I think) you posted a while back for someone else. Any chance you can repost that?
I'm not
which reinforces my point. if my crappy self with absolutely no map awareness can stomp 1200 elo like it's nothing then maybe the problem isn't your teammates