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Chronicle: Best Superhero movie of the year?

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Jake Capps wrote:
    Jake Capps wrote:
    Found footage movie = pass. I can live my entire life just fine without ever seeing Blair Wich Superman.

    You are missing a wonderful story with good characters and great scenes, because of the way it is told.

    Well I doubt you guys like crap. I will give the DVD a chance.

    You should read this spoiler, as it's more about how the movies' technicly shot, but just in case for other people, I will spoiler it.
    Pretty much immediately after figuring out he can levitate things, he starts learning how to levitate the camera, which leads to alot more traditionally framed shots and scenes. If its the "shaky" part of the found footage system that bothers you, after he levitates the camera it stays pretty steady.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    My only criticism from the film comes from the acting and the scripting. The actual shooting was pretty near perfectly executed. The acting was strictly amateur hour, which was alright because these guys aren't like, super-pro, and it was really obvious which scenes they were allowed to ad-lib. But I did really, really, really like it.

    Although it does kind of beg the question; if the movie isn't found footage, why bother with shooting strictly from handheld devices? It doesn't really do much. The only thing I can think of is that the way the camera moved gave us more insight into how Andrew was feeling at any given moment, but he was really good about his body language so that was never an issue.

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  • SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    My only criticism from the film comes from the acting and the scripting. The actual shooting was pretty near perfectly executed. The acting was strictly amateur hour, which was alright because these guys aren't like, super-pro, and it was really obvious which scenes they were allowed to ad-lib. But I did really, really, really like it.

    Although it does kind of beg the question; if the movie isn't found footage, why bother with shooting strictly from handheld devices? It doesn't really do much. The only thing I can think of is that the way the camera moved gave us more insight into how Andrew was feeling at any given moment, but he was really good about his body language so that was never an issue.

    While I disagree with you about the acting, I think your second point is a legitimate critisim and once they got to the point where they were taking shots from people's iphones it's something I wondered myself.

  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Someone earlier in the thread had an interesting suggestion that it was to help ground the movie. While yea, these guys had super mind powers, it still felt more real due to the handheld feel.

    I haven't worked that through my head yet to see how well it works but it is one idea.

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    My only criticism from the film comes from the acting and the scripting. The actual shooting was pretty near perfectly executed. The acting was strictly amateur hour, which was alright because these guys aren't like, super-pro, and it was really obvious which scenes they were allowed to ad-lib. But I did really, really, really like it.

    Although it does kind of beg the question; if the movie isn't found footage, why bother with shooting strictly from handheld devices? It doesn't really do much. The only thing I can think of is that the way the camera moved gave us more insight into how Andrew was feeling at any given moment, but he was really good about his body language so that was never an issue.

    While I disagree with you about the acting, I think your second point is a legitimate critisim and once they got to the point where they were taking shots from people's iphones it's something I wondered myself.

    There were just a couple of points where the movie screamed, acting!!! to me. Whenever anything emotionally weighty came along, particularly. They were really great at playing teenagers, though. The actors were able to capture that really, really well.

    On another note, probably my favorite non-powered scene was when Matt visited Blondie's house; the shot with her in the mirror and him in the door was good. I also liked how the movie ended right when
    it got silly with the powers. Like, Matt flying through Andrew's window was probably the last of the super-powered posturing I could have taken, so I'm glad it pretty much went from there to FINAL BATTLE mode.

    I also have a theory that maybe the crystal underground had something to do with recording equipment, perhaps for an extraterrestrial group, to tie everything together with the cameras, etc

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    Wow, what a disappointment this film was.

    I was quite intrigued by the trailer some time back, but was pretty skeptical that it was going to be done well, and figured it was going to be some young-adult novel piece of shit. And then, elation! It was getting good reviews, and this thread picked up. Boy was I excited when I finally got around to seeing it.

    Did not live up to my expectations. I know I'm walking into a hornet's nest and don't want to be the one hater in the thread, but, well. Reasons!
    From what you guys were saying in the thread it sounded like they were going to handle Andrew's character really well, and for a while they did. Except the single moment that was his turning point was...puking on some girl at a party? Really? After that he was pretty much whiny rage-douche from then on out. Complete insult after they were doing a pretty good job with the character. A few mentions of some 'apex predator' bullshit and now he's somehow justified in becoming a super-sociopath?

    There are legitimately compelling lines of reasoning to justify someone with his kind of power breaking the established rules and doing things that could be considered evil, but Chronicle barely glances at them. Instead it ignores the entire subject by pretending that our main villain spent a few minutes on Wikipedia learning about natural selection. Fuck right off.

    Things got increasingly ridiculous from there on out, and I was embarrassed when the movie went out of it's way to turn Andrew into a burn victim so he would be sufficiently evil for the finale.

    Speaking of which, the scene near the end where Andrew rips the cameras & phones away from those people in the building and surrounds him and Matt with them, I think that summed up the problem with the found footage style. It wasn't the worst use of the style by any means, but the film really had to bend over backwards to justify 1) having the camera there in the first place, and 2) occasionally having good, normal cinematic shots. I mean, the entire purpose of the love interest character for Matt was to be able to switch away from Andrew's camera for a time, but none of their interactions were at all interesting. (The only memorable scene produced by her existence was the neat 1st person view out of the car when she was with Matt going to confront Andrew and he started fucking with them.)

    I mean, if the film has to work so hard to accommodate it's own style and justify the few typically cinematic shots, then the found-footage gimmick does as much harm as good. You could do the whole movie with a more traditional style, and get interesting with the cinematography in a film where that quality would normally be overlooked. And then, just think, you can have whatever kind of shot you want, whenever you want! No need to invent one-dimensional characters or have silly little sequences to justify a brief switch to normality.

    Wasn't completely awful, but really was a tremendous disappointment for me. A well-acted one though, for the most part.

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Re: Andrew
    He came across as the type of kid that was on the brink of a school shooting; he was constantly bullied, had an abysmal home life, was regularly abused, and counted on his friends to keep him grounded. And then he blames himself for the death of one of the two people to take a chance on him.

    It found it pretty realistic that he'd flip the fuck out.

    The only thing he was yelling over and over at the end of the movie was 'Leave me alone.' I mean, he's just a guy who had one too many bad days. They stack, especially when you're young.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
    My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    Wow, what a disappointment this film was.

    I was quite intrigued by the trailer some time back, but was pretty skeptical that it was going to be done well, and figured it was going to be some young-adult novel piece of shit. And then, elation! It was getting good reviews, and this thread picked up. Boy was I excited when I finally got around to seeing it.

    Did not live up to my expectations. I know I'm walking into a hornet's nest and don't want to be the one hater in the thread, but, well. Reasons!
    From what you guys were saying in the thread it sounded like they were going to handle Andrew's character really well, and for a while they did. Except the single moment that was his turning point was...puking on some girl at a party? Really? After that he was pretty much whiny rage-douche from then on out. Complete insult after they were doing a pretty good job with the character. A few mentions of some 'apex predator' bullshit and now he's somehow justified in becoming a super-sociopath?

    There are legitimately compelling lines of reasoning to justify someone with his kind of power breaking the established rules and doing things that could be considered evil, but Chronicle barely glances at them. Instead it ignores the entire subject by pretending that our main villain spent a few minutes on Wikipedia learning about natural selection. Fuck right off.

    Things got increasingly ridiculous from there on out, and I was embarrassed when the movie went out of it's way to turn Andrew into a burn victim so he would be sufficiently evil for the finale.

    Speaking of which, the scene near the end where Andrew rips the cameras & phones away from those people in the building and surrounds him and Matt with them, I think that summed up the problem with the found footage style. It wasn't the worst use of the style by any means, but the film really had to bend over backwards to justify 1) having the camera there in the first place, and 2) occasionally having good, normal cinematic shots. I mean, the entire purpose of the love interest character for Matt was to be able to switch away from Andrew's camera for a time, but none of their interactions were at all interesting. (The only memorable scene produced by her existence was the neat 1st person view out of the car when she was with Matt going to confront Andrew and he started fucking with them.)

    I mean, if the film has to work so hard to accommodate it's own style and justify the few typically cinematic shots, then the found-footage gimmick does as much harm as good. You could do the whole movie with a more traditional style, and get interesting with the cinematography in a film where that quality would normally be overlooked. And then, just think, you can have whatever kind of shot you want, whenever you want! No need to invent one-dimensional characters or have silly little sequences to justify a brief switch to normality.

    Wasn't completely awful, but really was a tremendous disappointment for me. A well-acted one though, for the most part.

    I dislike your reasons, sir!
    I don't think there was a single turning point. He destroyed the truck well before the party. And the party scene seemed pretty reasonable to me. Just put yourself in his shoes. He is a teenage boy who is about to have sex for the first time, he embarrasses himself by throwing up and then his "friend" comes in and starts laughing at him. That would piss me off real quick.

    I never watched Blair Witch or Cloverfield so I'm sort of new to the "found footage" genre. I can see where you are coming from but personally I thought they did a decent job. He carried that camera around with him all the time and that development made the iphone scene at the end not that out of place for me.

    Out of curiosity what sort of compelling lines of reason could have been used to justify Andrew's actions?

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Re: Andrew
    He came across as the type of kid that was on the brink of a school shooting; he was constantly bullied, had an abysmal home life, was regularly abused, and counted on his friends to keep him grounded. And then he blames himself for the death of one of the two people to take a chance on him.

    It found it pretty realistic that he'd flip the fuck out.

    The only thing he was yelling over and over at the end of the movie was 'Leave me alone.' I mean, he's just a guy who had one too many bad days. They stack, especially when you're young.
    Note that I never said it wasn't realistic (although I'm not sure how much I'd want to defend Andrew's realism), just that his character's turnaround was profoundly disappointing.

    I mean seriously, THE turning point was when he puked on pink-haired-girl. After that he couldn't be talked to or reasoned with by anyone.

    I was thinking maybe something to do with his mother's death and father's reactions would be the trigger, but nope, they went for something completely asinine instead.

    Edit for responding to CCow!
    That absolutely was a turning point for him. He went into 'leave me alone I'm brooding!' mode precisely at that scene.

    As for what could have been a compelling reason to justify his actions, take your pick! He was arguably justified in some evildoing when he robbed those thugs to pay for his mother's medicine, and I had much less of a problem with that than I did with him raging at Matt and the whole city.

    Hell, he was probably justified in being villainous when it came to revenge on his dad, as that's another area where character established rule 1 could arguably be bent.

    There are a lot of reasons to do something bad for a good cause, and the movie even used a little of it. But it didn't really do much to bring us to the point that made his final actions and character something that was compelling or well-earned.

    As for the truck, I didn't mind that so much. It was the first time any of the characters really realized how dangerous they could be, and there already was some violent undercurrent for Andrew at that point, so he just overdid it. Like I said, they did a good job with him up to the last straw and everything after.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    I think it was more along the lines of
    He had it. For 8 hours, he had it, the life that he wanted, and then he realized he'd never have it.

    Telekenetic powers, fantastical powers or no, he'd never have a wonderful life. He'd always be the shit layer of the cake. And that's what made him crash.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    I think it was more along the lines of
    He had it. For 8 hours, he had it, the life that he wanted, and then he realized he'd never have it.

    Telekenetic powers, fantastical powers or no, he'd never have a wonderful life. He'd always be the shit layer of the cake. And that's what made him crash.
    Except it wasn't even the life he wanted, it was the life he thought he was supposed to want. It was stereotypical high-school popularity yearning, and his character was smart enough to know that that wasn't everything. Sure he got to live it out for a brief span, and it ended poorly, but he wasn't and shouldn't have been so invested in being popular to the point that losing that fleeting popularity was the point of no return for the character.

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Of course, this is a year that will see both The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises, as well as Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Spider-Man, Dredd, and John Carter.


    Let's review the OP in about 9 months.

    What the shit? I thought this was just a joke in Party Down. This is real????

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    I think it was more along the lines of
    He had it. For 8 hours, he had it, the life that he wanted, and then he realized he'd never have it.

    Telekenetic powers, fantastical powers or no, he'd never have a wonderful life. He'd always be the shit layer of the cake. And that's what made him crash.
    Except it wasn't even the life he wanted, it was the life he thought he was supposed to want. It was stereotypical high-school popularity yearning, and his character was smart enough to know that that wasn't everything. Sure he got to live it out for a brief span, and it ended poorly, but he wasn't and shouldn't have been so invested in being popular to the point that losing that fleeting popularity was the point of no return for the character.

    Ahh, except
    Any life would have been better than the one he had. Plus, whose to say he knew it would be fleeting? Life seemed to be pretty solidly in his corner. He wowed the world that shunned him with enormous power, and even that wasn't enough to get them to like him. He was God, and they still hated him, and not even his tremendous potential would ever change that.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
    My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    I think it was more along the lines of
    He had it. For 8 hours, he had it, the life that he wanted, and then he realized he'd never have it.

    Telekenetic powers, fantastical powers or no, he'd never have a wonderful life. He'd always be the shit layer of the cake. And that's what made him crash.
    Except it wasn't even the life he wanted, it was the life he thought he was supposed to want. It was stereotypical high-school popularity yearning, and his character was smart enough to know that that wasn't everything. Sure he got to live it out for a brief span, and it ended poorly, but he wasn't and shouldn't have been so invested in being popular to the point that losing that fleeting popularity was the point of no return for the character.

    Ahh, except
    Any life would have been better than the one he had. Plus, whose to say he knew it would be fleeting? Life seemed to be pretty solidly in his corner. He wowed the world that shunned him with enormous power, and even that wasn't enough to get them to like him. He was God, and they still hated him, and not even his tremendous potential would ever change that.
    He was presented as smarter than that, though. At least, smart enough to know that high school only lasts so long. Remember, he was Tibet while Matt and Steve were Maui or whatever.

    Of course I understand that when you're in high school it seems like the only world there is. But he was already experiencing so much more than that, and being gratified by it. The best day of his life was flying around with two of his friends, remember? With all that was available to him with such tremendous powers, I don't feel satisfied that losing out on being the cool kid at school was the straw that broke the camel's back on him turning into hyper-evil-douche.

    I just don't think they followed through very well on the progression of the central, most potentially interesting character.

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    I think it was more along the lines of
    He had it. For 8 hours, he had it, the life that he wanted, and then he realized he'd never have it.

    Telekenetic powers, fantastical powers or no, he'd never have a wonderful life. He'd always be the shit layer of the cake. And that's what made him crash.
    Except it wasn't even the life he wanted, it was the life he thought he was supposed to want. It was stereotypical high-school popularity yearning, and his character was smart enough to know that that wasn't everything. Sure he got to live it out for a brief span, and it ended poorly, but he wasn't and shouldn't have been so invested in being popular to the point that losing that fleeting popularity was the point of no return for the character.

    Ahh, except
    Any life would have been better than the one he had. Plus, whose to say he knew it would be fleeting? Life seemed to be pretty solidly in his corner. He wowed the world that shunned him with enormous power, and even that wasn't enough to get them to like him. He was God, and they still hated him, and not even his tremendous potential would ever change that.
    He was presented as smarter than that, though. At least, smart enough to know that high school only lasts so long. Remember, he was Tibet while Matt and Steve were Maui or whatever.

    Of course I understand that when you're in high school it seems like the only world there is. But he was already experiencing so much more than that, and being gratified by it. The best day of his life was flying around with two of his friends, remember? With all that was available to him with such tremendous powers, I don't feel satisfied that losing out on being the cool kid at school was the straw that broke the camel's back on him turning into hyper-evil-douche.

    I just don't think they followed through very well on the progression of the central, most potentially interesting character.

    At the end of the day, though, he was still human. A very fractured human.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
    My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    On Andrew:
    I didn't take him as all that smart. Academically speaking, his cousin was the one who was well-read and smart (to a fault, it seems - even the blond girlfriend chastises him when we first meet her for trying to portray his intelligence as aloofness). Now, obviously being book smart doesn't mean you're clever in other ways, but I can't think of anything about how Andrew was depicted that made me think he was anything other than a kid embroiled in the losing end of the teenage popularity contest.

    He was convinced by Steve that one strong talent (in this case supernatural) is all it takes to be liked by others, and that almost seems to be the case until he realized that playing the game at that level just means more eyes on you when you screw up. After that, considering the delicate state he was in anyway, he pretty much put two and two together and figured out that he could actually enact his teenage power fantasies.

    My friend who I saw it with also said he disliked the whole "apex predator" bit, and I responded to it like I am here: He's a dumb teenager, of course you're not going to like his justifications for being an asshole.

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    On Andrew:
    I didn't take him as all that smart. Academically speaking, his cousin was the one who was well-read and smart (to a fault, it seems - even the blond girlfriend chastises him when we first meet her for trying to portray his intelligence as aloofness). Now, obviously being book smart doesn't mean you're clever in other ways, but I can't think of anything about how Andrew was depicted that made me think he was anything other than a kid embroiled in the losing end of the teenage popularity contest.

    He was convinced by Steve that one strong talent (in this case supernatural) is all it takes to be liked by others, and that almost seems to be the case until he realized that playing the game at that level just means more eyes on you when you screw up. After that, considering the delicate state he was in anyway, he pretty much put two and two together and figured out that he could actually enact his teenage power fantasies.

    My friend who I saw it with also said he disliked the whole "apex predator" bit, and I responded to it like I am here: He's a dumb teenager, of course you're not going to like his justifications for being an asshole.

    So what you're saying is that we have the choice to either A) like the character and his arc and his motivations or B) we weren't supposed to because he's a dumb teenager. Do I have that right? That's pretty much what's going on here.

  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    He also doesn't really and truly snap until his mom dies. Even though he hurts people, he was trying to get meds for his mom.

    At the risk of buying in to the overread character, I also thought it was interesting that Matt talks about Hobbes in the beginning, and the fact that Andrew starts to act like a total asshole right when he feels no one can keep him in check. Seemed pretty Hobbesian

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    He also doesn't really and truly snap until his mom dies. Even though he hurts people, he was trying to get meds for his mom.

    At the risk of buying in to the overread character, I also thought it was interesting that Matt talks about Hobbes in the beginning, and the fact that Andrew starts to act like a total asshole right when he feels no one can keep him in check. Seemed pretty Hobbesian
    Except Hobbes was pretty clearly against might-makes-right, and much of his philosophy hinges on what could, should, and is done to prevent that kind of anarchy from fucking over everyone. If anything Andrew's actions are fundamentally anti-Hobbesian.

    Also, when was the Hobbes reference? I remember Matt talking about Schopenhauer, Plato, and Jung, didn't catch anything beyond that though.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    He also doesn't really and truly snap until his mom dies. Even though he hurts people, he was trying to get meds for his mom.

    At the risk of buying in to the overread character, I also thought it was interesting that Matt talks about Hobbes in the beginning, and the fact that Andrew starts to act like a total asshole right when he feels no one can keep him in check. Seemed pretty Hobbesian
    Except Hobbes was pretty clearly against might-makes-right, and much of his philosophy hinges on what could, should, and is done to prevent that kind of anarchy from fucking over everyone. If anything Andrew's actions are fundamentally anti-Hobbesian.

    Also, when was the Hobbes reference? I remember Matt talking about Schopenhauer, Plato, and Jung, didn't catch anything beyond that though.
    Hobbes endorses what you said, yes, I meant that the way he acted fit the state of nature model. My bad, I see how it was unclear.

    He references it in the first 5 mins iirc. They are in the car.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Andrew definitely wasn't a smart kid. I mean... dude didn't even know what hubris meant. Like, cmon, really? Really now?

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  • SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I never got the impression that Andrew as all that smart or above it all.
    I mean when Steve finds him the first time he's outside the party crying because a guy threw a drink on him. That certainly doesn't strike me as a guy who's above the typical high school bs. He's obviously heavily affected by it. He's just a typical alienated high schooler who just happens to want to go to Tibet and train with monks. He never struck me as a brilliant outsider, and his "apex predator" schtick is exactly the sort of bullshit philosophy a kid would come up with to justify his actions.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I never saw that Andrew was particularly smart but I don't think he was dumb either.
    I do think he had severe mental issues brought on both by the horrible household situation and the fact that, at least to me, it seemed he quite possibly had some form Asperger's. He wasn't just shy, he had trouble communicating even with people he was familiar with. Which is part of why I liked his character so much. He wasn't evil and in need of being defeated. He was broken after everything and in need of help.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Just to be clear on Andrew:
    When I say he is a dumb teenager, I don't mean he is a teenager who is particularly dumb, I mean he is stunted in all the same ways that many teenagers are. Of course we can be sympathetic with him - dude has a messed up family life and is under the constant threat of abuse no matter where he is.

    That said, we don't have to particularly like him once he goes beast mode. He's not a hero, pretty much everything he does is in retribution for past abuse (I think they sort of imply that the dicks hanging around his neighborhood are drug dealers, but even still mugging a bunch of suburban wannabe bangers in Canadian tuxedos doesn't strike me as very lucrative), and his self-rationalization is facile and borderline cartoonish.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I don't see it as cartoonish at all.
    He's treating everyone the way it's been made very clear most of his life and from his own experience it's okay to treat people. Specifically that those who had the power to constantly made him suffer. Now he's in the reversed position. It also becomes much more believable if you do accept that he has mental issues.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    Nah, simple retribution or turning the tables isn't really cartoonish at all, I agree.

    Telling yourself it's fine to do it because
    the lion doesn't mourn for the gazelle / you don't feel bad squashing a fly / I just read about evolution and I'm the new apex predator
    ...is perhaps even believable for his character. But it's also silly - which isn't a criticism of the film, it is a criticism of Andrew. I can believe a teenager would start talking like a comic book villain far more than I would believe the same from an adult, at least.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I do agree with that much. It was a silly line, but it's a silly thing he would believe. Hell, he'd been the fly for most of his life.

  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    The whole story is very reminiscent of Magneto.
    Andrew thinks he's the new apex predator. Magneto believes that mutants are the next stage of human evolution.

    Andrew gets bullied and abused through life. Magneto went through the Holocaust.

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    The whole story is very reminiscent of Magneto.
    Andrew thinks he's the new apex predator. Magneto believes that mutants are the next stage of human evolution.

    Andrew gets bullied and abused through life. Magneto went through the Holocaust.
    G-G-G-G-Goooodwin breaker.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    Also, regarding the end,
    it was pointed out to me that Andrew talks about how humans rule as predators because of weapons, and then Matt kills him with a spear. Neat!

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    Also, regarding the end,
    it was pointed out to me that Andrew talks about how humans rule as predators because of weapons, and then Matt kills him with a spear. Neat!

    That is really interesting, but I would write it off as coincidental.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    Also, regarding the end,
    it was pointed out to me that Andrew talks about how humans rule as predators because of weapons, and then Matt kills him with a spear. Neat!

    That is really interesting, but I would write it off as coincidental.

    I sorta thought of something along different lines:
    In the beginning, Matt talks to Andrew about hubris. This seems significant. Now, where do you commonly think of hubris? Generally, they're quite prominent in Greek mythology. Greek tragedies.

    At the end, Andrew gets killed by a spear from a statue. It looked to me like some sort of a Greek statue, with a muscular man wielding a spear.

  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Saw this with my buddies tonight, LOVED IT. This is the first movie in a long time where we had no snarky comments, just pure focus. Favorite subtle joke was when they were playing with their powers in the store, I forget if it was Matt or Andrew but one of them was holding a toy lightsaber.
    Also, the entire theatre audibly cringed during the spider scene. I think this is the first time in fiction history that people have empathized with an arachnid.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    Saw it. Had fun. All the girls hated it.

  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    zeeny wrote:
    Saw it. Had fun. All the girls hated it.

    Really? You mean they all couldn't empathize with the guys that they ignored in high school?

    Shocking.

  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    Oh yeah... I have some comic book recommendations for you guys who really liked Chronicle but don't really read comics and would like some books that are along the lines of the film. Chronicle reminded me quite heavily of Unbreakable, but also of certain comics I've read. There's a lot of different influences that went in this film, other than just Akira.

    First of all, check out Kurt Busiek's Secret Identity graphic novel. Busiek is best known for Astro City and Marvels (two books I'd recommend without reservation), but Secret Identity is another fantastic work that highlights his tremendous storytelling skills and love for the medium. SI is a Superman story, but not about Superman. Essentially, it's about a teenage boy in the real world who just so happens to be named Clark Kent by his parents as a joke. He's sick of his name and getting made fun of at school, until the day he actually does get superpowers identical to Superman's. It's never explained in the story how he gets them, he just does. The story isn't about that, but about what it would be like if a kid in real life actually got Superman's powers. You can obviously see the similarity to Chronicle, as they're both about teenagers in a realistic world getting powers. However, SI is quite different as Clark in the book takes the responsibility and uses his powers to help people, becoming a real Superman, while Chronicle goes off in the opposite direction. In the course of the story, he finds love in the big city, deals with an incredibly suspicious and hostile US government, and eventually even raises a family. I tend not to consider SI a "true" Superman story, as it does not take place in the DC universe or contain the actual character of Superman, but rather a kid named after Superman, but it's still a very good read.

    The other comic I'd recommend is Brian Bendis's long-running series Powers. In a nutshell, Powers is about police detectives who investigate superhero, or "powers" crimes. They're just your average gritty cops, trying to do their job in a world filled with insanely powerful superheroes who demolish buildings and occasionally maim innocents. Of course, sometimes these superheroes turn insane, or end up getting murdered, and then they have to do their best to solve it. Unlike traditional comics where the superhero and supervillain are entangled in this intimate conflict to the exclusion of the outside world, Powers has a lot of collateral damage. People get their faces melted off, or just torn apart, because supervillains are sadistic fuckers. It's a comic that's alternately very funny, or very grim and dark.

  • ValaenaValaena Registered User regular
    Saw this movie today. Its very rare that I get physically pumped up in a movie, but in pretty much every scene I wanted to jump up and just be like "fuck yes I want to do that that is so badass"

    The only scene that I felt could have had a simple change to turn way more awesome was
    the hospital scene, where his dad goes to hit or slap him or whatever, instead of him grabbing his arm, his dad goes to slap him and he telekenetically stops his hand, and then the room explodes. I just felt it was weird to have him physically grab him because at that point in the movie, he was using his powers for pretty much everything.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    zeeny wrote:
    Saw it. Had fun. All the girls hated it.

    Really? You mean they all couldn't empathize with the guys that they ignored in high school?

    Shocking.

    The who what?

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    zeeny wrote:
    Saw it. Had fun. All the girls hated it.

    Really? You mean they all couldn't empathize with the guys that they ignored in high school?

    Shocking.

    Projecting much there son?

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    My snap judgements lately have all been totally wrong, I guess.

    FFXIII-2 is good, Vita might be the handheld for me, Chronicle is good.

    Did not see any of these things coming.

    Oh brilliant
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