If this has stuff like Space Marines and Necrons etc. as a playable race... I am already disappointed.
But if they make it more like Inquisitor or Necromunda with witch cults, Arbites, rogue traders, etc then I am officially quitting life and devoting myself to this game until I die.
I couldn't disagree more, i don't want to be a prissy Inquisitor, and i was never a big follower of Necromunda.
I don't see the problem with being a Space marine, if they do it right... i'm pictureing something *slightly* similiar to Planetside, as in Squad FPS combat, and instead of finding 'awesome loot' you get 'upgrades' master crafted boltguns and Artificer Armor.
Truth be told, i just want to be an Assault marine and sink my Chainsword as deep into the head of the Hereatics and mutants as i can ;P
Inquisitor had a lot more than just inquisitors in it. And most of it worked pretty well except for marines, who were broken as all fuck. But in the context of the 40k universe, that's the way they're supposed to be, which is why they'll never work in an MMO outside of a Planetside clone.
Inquisitor had a lot more than just inquisitors in it. And most of it worked pretty well except for marines, who were broken as all fuck. But in the context of the 40k universe, that's the way they're supposed to be, which is why they'll never work in an MMO outside of a Planetside clone.
How would an Inquisitor MMO work any better? you know almost everyone is going to be running around as an Inquisitor.
And Marines aren't be all end all as they used to be, and alot of that was from fluff, of course the Imperium is going to hold its Super soldiers up as some invincible, Unstoppable force, but thats not exactly the case.
i don't see how Space marines are anymore broken then an Inquisitor, or a Daemon spawn or a mutant.
I don't think it will be Inquisitor anyway, thats shafting a pretty large portion of the player base... last i checked there were no Tyranid, ork, Chaos marines, Eldar, Tau or Dark eldar in the 'Inquisitor' Game line.
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I'm going to be a Commissar. And if anyone in my party decides to run instead of facing the disgusting Xenos in His holy name, I will shoot them in the back of the fucking head.
Innocence proves nothing.
This should heal the rest of your party.
:^:
This man knows his 40K.
The best way to do this, I think, would be to have the game take place on an Imperial hiveworld where three or four of the major factions are represented initially, with more added as balance issues are resolved.
My only concern is that they are going to offer Space Marines as a playable "class," and every 9-year old with a broadband connection is going to want to be Timmy the Blood Angel. Even a Space Marine scout should be more than a match for two or three veteran IG, as well as a couple of Orks or Eldar Guardians. Having Marines as a playable class will either cause serious balance issues, or Marines will have to be a lot less tough than they are depicted in the fiction.
I'm also concerned that it will be less of a squad-based game (which it should be) and more of a traditional MMO. I know Planetside gets a lot of shit (I guess, I've never played it) but they really do need to make large-scale squad-based combat the core of the game.
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If this has stuff like Space Marines and Necrons etc. as a playable race... I am already disappointed.
But if they make it more like Inquisitor or Necromunda with witch cults, Arbites, rogue traders, etc then I am officially quitting life and devoting myself to this game until I die.
I'm in this camp. If they go for generic MMO gameplay where everyone's got a race from every major WH40k army in two or more 'factions' and they form parties and go questing, mission-hunting, PvPing the other 'faction'... It's just going to be an incoherent mess trying to be WoW by turning large-scale war into 5-man adventuring, with 75% of everyone playing Space Marines. It needs to either focus on one race or style of gameplay that isn't group RPing. Something similar to the way Inquisitor or Necromunda function, if not the same sort of scope and playable races.
EDIT: Jam ,paint your Gargant before you freeze yourself.
Inquisitor had a lot more than just inquisitors in it. And most of it worked pretty well except for marines, who were broken as all fuck. But in the context of the 40k universe, that's the way they're supposed to be, which is why they'll never work in an MMO outside of a Planetside clone.
How would an Inquisitor MMO work any better? you know almost everyone is going to be running around as an Inquisitor.
And Marines aren't be all end all as they used to be, and alot of that was from fluff, of course the Imperium is going to hold its Super soldiers up as some invincible, Unstoppable force, but thats not exactly the case.
i don't see how Space marines are anymore broken then an Inquisitor, or a Daemon spawn or a mutant.
I don't think it will be Inquisitor anyway, thats shafting a pretty large portion of the player base... last i checked there were no Tyranid, ork, Chaos marines, Eldar, Tau or Dar eldar in the 'Inquisitor' Game line.
I said earlier in the thread that an "Inquisitor the MMO" type game wouldn't work.
And I meant they(marines) were broken in the game "Inquisitor". And they were, and still are as far as I know. You literally couldn't kill them without getting really lucky because of the way they healed themselves and their insane ability to kill others first. However, I only know this second hand from stuff my friends have told me about Inquisitor (again, the table top game...).
And there were Kroot, Tau, Eldar, Chaos demons and Marines, Stormtroopers and regular guardsmen in Inquisitor. So uh..you're wrong there I suppose. No Orks or Tyranids because how would you roll up something like that?
edit - in case you still think I'm talking out of my ass, here's the current GW Inquisitor range. And really, there's no limit to what you could create because it's really just a glorified 40k RPG.
edit2 - hey, you could be a Genestealer in Inquisitor, so I guess the only real no model race is Orks.
If I can be an Inquisitor, a Daemonhunter, or an Ork, they can have my entire wallet.
I will give them the PIN to my debit card and all of my personal information so they can use my credit card to buy hookers
I don't care
I really, really doubt that Inquisitors will be available as anything other than a prestige class, and even then probably not.
Orks definitely need to be in the game, though, and they should include a speach filter to make everything you say sound all Orky. They also need to make an Ork's strength directly proportional to the number of them in a group. Individually, they're nothing special, but once they get the WAAAAGH!!! going, they're fucking unstoppable.
Until you kill the 'Nob, that is. Once that happens, every other Ork in your squad suddenly marks hostile, and all hell breaks lose until "wun of da boyz beats enuf 'eds in" to claim 'Nob status for himself.
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edited March 2007
If Dark Eldar are in this, I'll play it. Only elf type race I have ever, ever liked. Ever. Fantasy or sci fi.
I don't know why, I just like them a lot.
The only close second is tolkien's elves, and that's only out of respect for all the effort he put into creating their language. Otherwise, I hate all elves, elfs, whatever.
Except Dark Eldar.
I never said I come to rational conclusions, but there we go.
This had better be good.
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Inquisitor had a lot more than just inquisitors in it. And most of it worked pretty well except for marines, who were broken as all fuck. But in the context of the 40k universe, that's the way they're supposed to be, which is why they'll never work in an MMO outside of a Planetside clone.
How would an Inquisitor MMO work any better? you know almost everyone is going to be running around as an Inquisitor.
And Marines aren't be all end all as they used to be, and alot of that was from fluff, of course the Imperium is going to hold its Super soldiers up as some invincible, Unstoppable force, but thats not exactly the case.
i don't see how Space marines are anymore broken then an Inquisitor, or a Daemon spawn or a mutant.
I don't think it will be Inquisitor anyway, thats shafting a pretty large portion of the player base... last i checked there were no Tyranid, ork, Chaos marines, Eldar, Tau or Dar eldar in the 'Inquisitor' Game line.
I said earlier in the thread that an "Inquisitor the MMO" type game wouldn't work.
And I meant they(marines) were broken in the game "Inquisitor". And they were, and still are as far as I know. You literally couldn't kill them without getting really lucky because of the way they healed themselves and their insane ability to kill others first. However, I only know this second hand from stuff my friends have told me about Inquisitor (again, the table top game...).
And there were Kroot, Tau, Eldar, Chaos demons and Marines, Stormtroopers and regular guardsmen in Inquisitor. So uh..you're wrong there I suppose. No Orks or Tyranids because how would you roll up something like that?
edit - in case you still think I'm talking out of my ass, here's the current GW Inquisitor range. And really, there's no limit to what you could create because it's really just a glorified 40k RPG.
edit2 - hey, you could be a Genestealer in Inquisitor, so I guess the only real no model race is Orks.
Yeah, i just went and checked... the 'last i checked' was like a few years ago...
I just get a bit defensive, all the other times the topic of a '40k MMO' has came up its always the same 'Space marines suck. people who like space marines suck! YOU SUCK!' or 'it wouldn't work because they are zomg overpowered' or they pull the 'only twelve year olds play space marines!'
All pretty weak arguments IMO, and i've yet to see a good point brought up to include the other races of 40k but not Space marines.
i find that a lot of non-space marine players dislike space marines because they come across as beloved of games workshop
individual codices for every major chapter where similar divisions in other races get mentions or passing special rules tucked in the last couple of pages of a codex? new releases every couple of months? book after book after book talking about how awesome they are?
games workshop are only supporting the majority of the playerbase, but SPACE MARINE SPACE MARINE SPACE MARINE kind of gets boring after a while for people who don't really like them
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No, not at all. I have no problem with Marines in the game, as long as they're really fucking rare and hard to become. Think how Jedi were originally supposed to be in Star Wars Galaxy, only not quite as rare. They're like the equivalent of (and the inspiration for) the Spartans in Halo.
Basically, if I'm a guardsman getting pinned down by a looted Leman and I see drop pods on the horizon, I want to think "FUCK YEAH! PRAISE THE EMPEROR!" not "Goddamn n00bs are going to get me killed!"
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Yeah, i just went and checked... the 'last i checked' was like a few years ago...
I just get a bit defensive, all the other times the topic of a '40k MMO' has came up its always the same 'Space marines suck. people who like space marines suck! YOU SUCK!' or 'it wouldn't work because they are zomg overpowered' or they pull the 'only twelve year olds play space marines!'
All pretty weak arguments IMO, and i've yet to see a good point brought up to include the other races of 40k but not Space marines.
Well, I'm not about to say that you suck for playing marines, because that would probably mean I suck, seeing as I own nearly 4 marine armies. But really, for guys who know the fluff well, you just can't do marines justice in an MMO like WoW or something. I support marines being included in, like, the Imperial faction of a Planetside clone.
I just enjoy the fluff way more than the actual game (sans modeling/painting). Honestly, I doubt I'll really like anything that comes out of this.
Yeah, i just went and checked... the 'last i checked' was like a few years ago...
I just get a bit defensive, all the other times the topic of a '40k MMO' has came up its always the same 'Space marines suck. people who like space marines suck! YOU SUCK!' or 'it wouldn't work because they are zomg overpowered' or they pull the 'only twelve year olds play space marines!'
All pretty weak arguments IMO, and i've yet to see a good point brought up to include the other races of 40k but not Space marines.
Well, I'm not about to say that you suck for playing marines, because that would probably mean I suck, seeing as I own nearly 4 marine armies. But really, for guys who know the fluff well, you just can't do marines justice in an MMO like WoW or something. I support marines being included in, like, the Imperial faction of a Planetside clone.
I just enjoy the fluff way more than the actual game (sans modeling/painting). Honestly, I doubt I'll really like anything that comes out of this.
I completely agree, i don't currently even *own* a combat ready, rules legal Army right now, i'm just a *massive* Fan of the fluff, i read that shit religiously (not just SM, everything.)
I guess a planetside clone *is* what i'm looking for, i actually didn't mind planetside (not *PAY* worthy but 6 months free? yes please.) But a much more enhanced and thoughtout (and supported) Planetside 40k would be great.
I don't see it necessary to make Space marines extremely rare either, as long as there balanced against the other races somehow (or make it *hard* to become one, like you start as a scout and slowly work your way up, not just some random bullshit like 'force' like skill).
I don't know, maybe what i'm looking for is more of an awesome Single player FPS where we can finally play Space marines (in a squad, of course... GoW with space marines...)
I think they should make it more like bf2 but run rampent with the rewards system and have a out of battle 3rd person view for all your normal mmo stuff. Like combat and noncombat zones (I know its warhammer, but this way you could still get a crafting system and player economy going or something). You should not be bale to start as a space marine that shit needs to be earned. Also I like bf style system more than say...WoW because you get to cap bitches in the head and blow stuff up. Which in essance is what 40k is all about. I haven't thought about this fully but I will hate it if the game ends up even a little like WoW or even WAR.
like i said, inquisitor mmo would make the most sense;
- everyone is of roughly equivalent base power
- everyone has access to the same equipment
- the inquisitors hate each other enough that they'll gladly fight (pvp)
- the inquisitors hate everything else so much they'll gladly fight it (pve)
- they wouldn't have to bother trying to work squad mechanics in there
- you could have a number of different planets to explore, perhaps each against a different race (vs. eldar, chaos, necrons etc.)
there are a myriad of problems with playing different races
heroth i think you're slightly underestimating how stupid-good space marines are
like, they can kick the ass of anything short of a daemon prince without breaking a sweat
letting someone control one would be the equivalent of, say, letting a player control onyxia while everyone else was hogger
No, i know full well what marines are capable of.
I'd just like them to find a way to balance that, and i admit i can't exactly think of a way.
Limiting there numbers wouldn't exactly work i think, that way you'd have a group of people do whatever to become them, and then stay that way. depriving anyone else of even having a chance.
I'd just like a fair shot at playing them, just like everyone else will easily be able to play there Favorite Race because they aren't deemed 'over-powered'...
And everyone knows Hogger can easily beat Nef, let alone Onyxia.
When this comes out I am never going to see my brother again. WoW has made him enough of a recluse, but this? When this hits, he may as well cease to exist.
I want to play as one of Fulgrim's men so that my space marine can have pink armor.
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I have no idea how this could even work as an MMO. I love the setting, but MMO players won't think such a hardcore setting will be fun, and to do less would be to do the setting a disservice.
Verdict: Either this will be fun and not 40k, or it will suck balls.
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I couldn't disagree more, i don't want to be a prissy Inquisitor, and i was never a big follower of Necromunda.
I don't see the problem with being a Space marine, if they do it right... i'm pictureing something *slightly* similiar to Planetside, as in Squad FPS combat, and instead of finding 'awesome loot' you get 'upgrades' master crafted boltguns and Artificer Armor.
Truth be told, i just want to be an Assault marine and sink my Chainsword as deep into the head of the Hereatics and mutants as i can ;P
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How would an Inquisitor MMO work any better? you know almost everyone is going to be running around as an Inquisitor.
And Marines aren't be all end all as they used to be, and alot of that was from fluff, of course the Imperium is going to hold its Super soldiers up as some invincible, Unstoppable force, but thats not exactly the case.
i don't see how Space marines are anymore broken then an Inquisitor, or a Daemon spawn or a mutant.
I don't think it will be Inquisitor anyway, thats shafting a pretty large portion of the player base... last i checked there were no Tyranid, ork, Chaos marines, Eldar, Tau or Dark eldar in the 'Inquisitor' Game line.
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This man knows his 40K.
The best way to do this, I think, would be to have the game take place on an Imperial hiveworld where three or four of the major factions are represented initially, with more added as balance issues are resolved.
My only concern is that they are going to offer Space Marines as a playable "class," and every 9-year old with a broadband connection is going to want to be Timmy the Blood Angel. Even a Space Marine scout should be more than a match for two or three veteran IG, as well as a couple of Orks or Eldar Guardians. Having Marines as a playable class will either cause serious balance issues, or Marines will have to be a lot less tough than they are depicted in the fiction.
I'm also concerned that it will be less of a squad-based game (which it should be) and more of a traditional MMO. I know Planetside gets a lot of shit (I guess, I've never played it) but they really do need to make large-scale squad-based combat the core of the game.
instead of a race you'll pick an inquisitorial allegiance
the setting is just too vast to let you do anything more
I will give them the PIN to my debit card and all of my personal information so they can use my credit card to buy hookers
I don't care
1) 'Planetside 40,000'
2) '*Not* World of Warcraft 40,000'
I'm in this camp. If they go for generic MMO gameplay where everyone's got a race from every major WH40k army in two or more 'factions' and they form parties and go questing, mission-hunting, PvPing the other 'faction'... It's just going to be an incoherent mess trying to be WoW by turning large-scale war into 5-man adventuring, with 75% of everyone playing Space Marines. It needs to either focus on one race or style of gameplay that isn't group RPing. Something similar to the way Inquisitor or Necromunda function, if not the same sort of scope and playable races.
EDIT: Jam ,paint your Gargant before you freeze yourself.
I said earlier in the thread that an "Inquisitor the MMO" type game wouldn't work.
And I meant they(marines) were broken in the game "Inquisitor". And they were, and still are as far as I know. You literally couldn't kill them without getting really lucky because of the way they healed themselves and their insane ability to kill others first. However, I only know this second hand from stuff my friends have told me about Inquisitor (again, the table top game...).
And there were Kroot, Tau, Eldar, Chaos demons and Marines, Stormtroopers and regular guardsmen in Inquisitor. So uh..you're wrong there I suppose. No Orks or Tyranids because how would you roll up something like that?
edit - in case you still think I'm talking out of my ass, here's the current GW Inquisitor range. And really, there's no limit to what you could create because it's really just a glorified 40k RPG.
edit2 - hey, you could be a Genestealer in Inquisitor, so I guess the only real no model race is Orks.
Oh that would be cool too, but only if they make the game rated M.
Because I would take a bolt pistol and chainsword setup and cut things in half.
I really, really doubt that Inquisitors will be available as anything other than a prestige class, and even then probably not.
Orks definitely need to be in the game, though, and they should include a speach filter to make everything you say sound all Orky. They also need to make an Ork's strength directly proportional to the number of them in a group. Individually, they're nothing special, but once they get the WAAAAGH!!! going, they're fucking unstoppable.
Until you kill the 'Nob, that is. Once that happens, every other Ork in your squad suddenly marks hostile, and all hell breaks lose until "wun of da boyz beats enuf 'eds in" to claim 'Nob status for himself.
Sneaky..
I don't know why, I just like them a lot.
The only close second is tolkien's elves, and that's only out of respect for all the effort he put into creating their language. Otherwise, I hate all elves, elfs, whatever.
Except Dark Eldar.
I never said I come to rational conclusions, but there we go.
This had better be good.
Yeah, i just went and checked... the 'last i checked' was like a few years ago...
I just get a bit defensive, all the other times the topic of a '40k MMO' has came up its always the same 'Space marines suck. people who like space marines suck! YOU SUCK!' or 'it wouldn't work because they are zomg overpowered' or they pull the 'only twelve year olds play space marines!'
All pretty weak arguments IMO, and i've yet to see a good point brought up to include the other races of 40k but not Space marines.
i find that a lot of non-space marine players dislike space marines because they come across as beloved of games workshop
individual codices for every major chapter where similar divisions in other races get mentions or passing special rules tucked in the last couple of pages of a codex? new releases every couple of months? book after book after book talking about how awesome they are?
games workshop are only supporting the majority of the playerbase, but SPACE MARINE SPACE MARINE SPACE MARINE kind of gets boring after a while for people who don't really like them
No, not at all. I have no problem with Marines in the game, as long as they're really fucking rare and hard to become. Think how Jedi were originally supposed to be in Star Wars Galaxy, only not quite as rare. They're like the equivalent of (and the inspiration for) the Spartans in Halo.
Basically, if I'm a guardsman getting pinned down by a looted Leman and I see drop pods on the horizon, I want to think "FUCK YEAH! PRAISE THE EMPEROR!" not "Goddamn n00bs are going to get me killed!"
Well, I'm not about to say that you suck for playing marines, because that would probably mean I suck, seeing as I own nearly 4 marine armies. But really, for guys who know the fluff well, you just can't do marines justice in an MMO like WoW or something. I support marines being included in, like, the Imperial faction of a Planetside clone.
I just enjoy the fluff way more than the actual game (sans modeling/painting). Honestly, I doubt I'll really like anything that comes out of this.
it just makes the most sense from a game design standpoint
I completely agree, i don't currently even *own* a combat ready, rules legal Army right now, i'm just a *massive* Fan of the fluff, i read that shit religiously (not just SM, everything.)
I guess a planetside clone *is* what i'm looking for, i actually didn't mind planetside (not *PAY* worthy but 6 months free? yes please.) But a much more enhanced and thoughtout (and supported) Planetside 40k would be great.
I don't see it necessary to make Space marines extremely rare either, as long as there balanced against the other races somehow (or make it *hard* to become one, like you start as a scout and slowly work your way up, not just some random bullshit like 'force' like skill).
I don't know, maybe what i'm looking for is more of an awesome Single player FPS where we can finally play Space marines (in a squad, of course... GoW with space marines...)
like, they can kick the ass of anything short of a daemon prince without breaking a sweat
letting someone control one would be the equivalent of, say, letting a player control onyxia while everyone else was hogger
You probably wouldn't start out as a full-blown terminator.
Once it is confirmed I can play as Tau, that is when I will start caring.
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like i said, inquisitor mmo would make the most sense;
- everyone is of roughly equivalent base power
- everyone has access to the same equipment
- the inquisitors hate each other enough that they'll gladly fight (pvp)
- the inquisitors hate everything else so much they'll gladly fight it (pve)
- they wouldn't have to bother trying to work squad mechanics in there
- you could have a number of different planets to explore, perhaps each against a different race (vs. eldar, chaos, necrons etc.)
there are a myriad of problems with playing different races
No, i know full well what marines are capable of.
I'd just like them to find a way to balance that, and i admit i can't exactly think of a way.
Limiting there numbers wouldn't exactly work i think, that way you'd have a group of people do whatever to become them, and then stay that way. depriving anyone else of even having a chance.
I'd just like a fair shot at playing them, just like everyone else will easily be able to play there Favorite Race because they aren't deemed 'over-powered'...
And everyone knows Hogger can easily beat Nef, let alone Onyxia.
Verdict: Either this will be fun and not 40k, or it will suck balls.
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