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[Chaos] CitOW Game 66 - The Blue Scribes Have Written: Victory for Tzeentch!

blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
edited March 2012 in Critical Failures

Welcome to Chaos in the Old World, Fantasy Flight Games' boardgame take at Games Workshop's famous fantasy IP. In this game, players take the role of one of the four Ruinous Powers of the universe (and a fifth, uninvited guest). Speaking of which, I believe this calls for some introductions.

Tayrun as Khorne
Khorne loves long walks on the battlefield and nights alone with the recently deceased. He enjoys handywork, and has even so constructed a throne for himself from nothing but the skulls of the living. He's always on the lookout for new blood - in the most literal sense possible - earning him the title of "The Blood God." If Khorne were a flavor of ice cream, he would be Berserk Banana.

Overhamsteren as Nurgle
The other white meat! Or in this case, possibly white pus. Nurgle, now with 300% more pestilence! This is Great Unclean One with the new Nurgle Treatment, and you won't believe it! Have you ever been traveling around, and all of a sudden you wish you had brought your horrific ailments with you? But how are you going to fit it all in your bags? Well that's easy with the new Nurgle (or as we should say, the Old Nurgle)! Watch as it spreads the epidemic over the entire countryside as you pass. And if you order now, we'll throw in this free plaguebearer. Call now!

doldari as Tzeentch

Salvation122 as Slaanesh
"Working for Khorne? It's ok, I guess, but I worry about my future prospects. You know how I'm probably going to die? Not enough blood left in my neck. You know how those Slaanesh dudes over there are probably going to die? Too many orgasms.
You can see my consternation." - Khorne Thrall

As the Prince of Pain and Pleasure, some might say that Slaanesh 'goes both ways.' His followers don't quite have a 'lust for battle,' but enjoy the 'corruption' of the aristocracy. He finds subtle usurping 'invigorating,' and sometimes even so much that he just has to release his 'keeper of secrets.'

MrBody as The Horned Rat
The Horned Rat does not exist, nor is there such thing as the ratmen that worship it. Scholars have concluded that claims of an empire of vicious verminfolk are nothing more than stories invented to frighten the very young. Any reports of having sighted these "skaven" is seen as spreading discord amongst the faithful and, naturally, quite blasphemous. The skittering and scratching you hear deep below you at night is naught but the fevered workings of your imagination. If you insist that you have seen these creatures, please see your nearest witch hunter to be summarily executed for your blatant heresy.


This will be a Play-By-Post game of Chaos in the Old World for five players, wherein the players will vote on whether to use the Base or Morrslieb decks, and on the composition of the Old World Deck. Invitations will be taken from the discussion thread and offered to five newbies.

[Headless Hollow Rules Summary]

Credits of Chaos
Adam Bloom for his rocking Handtracker site.
FWD for the awesome board app.
Mr.Blarney for the original design of our PbP board.
Rend for the comprehensive OP.
Darian for bringing order to chaos as games manager and our resident rules lawyer.

Previous games, aka recommended reading before playing, are linked from the CF Boardgame Index

General discussion thread for Chaos in the Old World is available here

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  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    -The Turn Phases-

    The Old World Phase
    This phase is much like the crisis phase in BSG, the infection phase in Pandemic, or the "Bad Stuff" phase in any cooperative board game. Except this game isn't so much "cooperative" as it is "petty". Each turn, events will take place in the old world, and this is when they happen.

    Every turn one old world card will be drawn, and its effects will be resolved. If there are any choices to be made, the power with the least threat will make those choices. (Threat is determined by who has advanced their victory dial the farthest)

    Note: There are only 7 cards in the Old World deck. If the cards have been exhausted, the game ends at the end of the turn. If nobody has achieved a victory condition, the Old World has won- and all players lose.

    The Draw Phase
    During this phase, each power draws 2 cards, except Tzeentch. Tzeentch draws his hand up to 5. Also, this is when each player refreshes their Power Points to however many applicable.

    The Summoning Phase
    This phase always starts with Khorne, and goes:
    Horned Rat

    Starting with Khorne, each player may either summon 1 figure or play 1 chaos card. In order to do so, you spend Power Points. The cost for figures is the circled value on your power's card. Then there are also attack and defend stats, which will be explained in further detail in The Battle Phase.

    Chaos Cards each have a cost directly following their name in Handtracker. Additionally, if the cost of your card is followed by M, that means there is a magic symbol on it. If you play that card onto a region, that region gains 1 magic symbol.

    Chaos cards are played directly onto one of the nine regions. Each region only has room for 2 cards, but they are cleared at the end phase after all effects are resolved.

    If a player chooses neither to summon nor play a card, he passes and his power points go to 0. He may not play again this phase.
    Additionally, if a player reaches 0 power points for ANY REASON, they may not play again this phase, EVEN IF THAT PLAYER HAS 0-cost cards or effects. Once you reach 0 power points, you are out of the turn phase, and are skipped until the next turn.

    If you have no figures on the board, figures may be summoned to any region. If you have at least one figure on the board, you must summon to that region or an adjacent region. Figures may be summoned either from your reinforcements, OR from the board itself. There is no discount for summoning figures from the board, it simply allows you to move figures instead of summoning new ones if you wish. You may summon a figure from a region in order to place him in an adjacent region even if none of your other figures are adjacent to that region (ie, a single figure can "walk" across the entire map alone).

    When making a play during the summoning phase, your entire post should be colored properly. All summoning phase plays should include the PP (power points) remaining, and you should fully quote the text of any Chaos cards played in addition to linking the played card in Handtracker.

    The Battle Phase
    In this phase, dice are rolled. All combat is considered simultaneous, however, hits are chosen in the Order of Play (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Horned Rat). Each figure with at least 1 attack power rolls a number of dice equal to that attack power. Any dice of 4 or better are hits. The player then designates those hits among any enemy figures in the region.

    You may not allocate more hits than necessary to kill an opponent.
    You must allocate all hits.

    Any figures which are killed will die at the end of the phase. However, unless the hits which killed it happened before normal dice are rolled, they may still return fire.

    The Corruption Phase
    The Corruption Phase takes place in 2 steps. Domination, and Corruption

    In the Domination step, each player's domination value is calculated for each region. This value is equal to the PP cost of any chaos cards that player has played on the region, plus the number of figures (number, not attack power) that player has in the region. If this number exceeds the region's resistance (which is the number by the region's name), and that player has the highest domination score, that player dominates the region and gains Victory Points equal to the region's number.
    If two players are tied for first, or if the top player is tied with the region's resistance, no VPs are awarded. Additionally, no VPs are awarded for ruined regions.

    In the Corruption step, each cultist a player has in a region adds one Corruption Counter to that region. An exception to this rule is the Horned Rat, who is incapable of adding corruption at all. If a region should reach 12 or more corruption counters, it then becomes ruined.
    When a region becomes ruined, it indicates that the Chaos has taken it over so completely that it is no longer even recognizable. It is now a hellish, daemonic wasteland. First, one of the 5 ruination cards is flipped (the cards go in order, so the values are the same from game to game). Each player who put a corruption counter on the region DURING THE STEP IT WAS RUINED gains a small amount of VPs instantaneously, decided by the card. Also, a Horned Rat player will receive these points as well if he or she has figures occupying the region at the time of its ruination. Later this turn, the player with the most and the second most Corruption in the area gain a large lump sum of VPs as well. After the region is ruined, NO VPs will EVER come of the region again.
    If two players are tied for first, they add the first and second place values together and split them. If two players are tied for second, they split second place. If there is no second place, and only one player has counters, the second place VPs are wasted. Again, the Horned Rat is a special case, and any figures present at the time of scoring will count as corruption equal to the figure's cost. For example, a Clan Rat (1) and a Rat Ogre (2) would count as three corruption when scoring a ruined region.

    If, at the end of the turn, all 5 Ruination cards have been flipped, the game ends and the player with the most VPs wins the game.

    The End Phase
    During the end phase:
    1. Remove Chaos Cards from the Board
    2. Hero Tokens are resolved - meaning that in any region with a hero token, the daemon with the highest threat in that region must sacrifice one figure, as the hero kills it.
    3. Resolve Old World cards - If a card on the Old World track asks for a resolution during the end phase, this is when it happens.
    4. Score Ruined Regions - this is the step when first/second place ruination is scored
    5. Advance Threat Dials - If you have fulfilled your victory dial condition at least once, you turn your dial one tick. If you have fulfilled your condition more times this turn than any other player, you turn your dial two ticks. This dial gives various rewards, including Upgrades, VPs, and control of the tokens on the board.
    6. Check for Game end
    The game end conditions are checked one at a time, in this order:

    Dial Victory
    Victory Point Victory
    All 5 ruination cards drawn (most VPs wins)
    No cards in the Old World deck (All players lose)

    In the case of a dial victory tie, the player with most VPs wins. If they are tied, the victory is shared.
    In the case of a VP victory tie, the player with the highest threat wins.

    How do I gain victory points?
    Gain victory points in 5 ways:
    1. Dominating regions at the end of the battle phase
    2. Helping to ruin regions by placing corruption counters on them during the step in which ruination occurs
    3. Ruining regions and having most or second most counters on the region
    4. Sometimes, by advancing your victory dial
    5. Some chaos cards can grant you victory points.

    The most reliable points come from Domination, while the quickest points come from ruining regions.

    Useful information:
    1. Norsca
    2. Troll Country
    3. Kislev
    4. The Empire
    5. Bretonnia
    6. Estalia
    7. Tilea
    8. The Border Princes
    9. The Badlands

    Horned Rat
    Khorne: 9 ticks
    Nurgle: 10 ticks
    Tzeentch: 8 ticks
    Slaanesh: 7 ticks
    Horned Rat: 8 ticks

    Khorne Upgrades:
    Power of Blood - +1 PP per turn
    Deluge of Ferocity - Draw 3 cards instead of 2 each turn
    Bloodsworn - Stats: (1/1/1)
    Bloodletters - Bloodletters strike first and inflict casualties before opponents return fire
    Bloodthirster - Counts as 3 figures for domination value

    Nurgle Upgrades:
    Power of Pestilence - +1 PP per turn
    Provender of Ruin - Score 3 VP each time a region is ruined
    Lepers - A Leper's cost is 0 if placed in a region where you have no other figures. A given leper may only be summoned for free once per round.
    Plaguebearers - When an opponent kills one of your plaguebearers in battle, inflict one hit on any figure in the same region belonging to that opponent
    Great Unclean One - Immediately place two corruption tokens in a region when you summon a Great Unclean One there

    Tzeentch Upgrades:
    Power of Magic - +1 PP per turn
    Deluge of Magic - Draw to 6 cards per turn instead of 5
    Acolytes - When summoned from the board instead of your stockpile, an Acolyte may bring a Warpstone token if present from its origin to its destination
    Horrors - When you summon a horror, you may place it on an empty card slot in that region. Only you may play cards to that slot while the horror remains.
    Lord of Change - A Lord of Change has 2 magic symbols.

    Slaanesh Upgrades:
    Power of Pain - +1 PP per turn. If you have power of pain and power of pleasure, total +3
    Power of Pleasure - +1 PP per turn. If you have power of pain and power of pleasure, total +3
    Seductress - New stats (1/0/2)
    Daemonettes - In battle, Daemonettes can only be hit on a die result of 6
    Keeper of Secrets - At the beginning of the battle phase, choose any cultist or warrior in this region. Control it until the end of the round or until your keeper of secrets is killed, whichever comes first.

    Khorne Upgrades:
    Crimson Tide - Each time you dominate a region, draw one Chaos card.
    Vengeance - In any region where you are rolling at least one battle die, you may roll one additional battle die.
    Bloodsworn - Each Bloodworn counts as two figures toward your domination value of any region that it occupies.
    Bloodletters - You gain two victory points each time you kill a figure in a region containing a Bloodletter.
    Bloodthirster - Once per round during the summoning phase, you may summon a Bloodthirster for 0 power into a region that contains six or more corruption tokens once per round.

    Nurgle Upgrades:
    Cavalcade of Decay - Any region containing five or more Cultists is considered Populous.
    Infested Colony - When you dominate a region, place two corruption tokens in that region.
    Lepers - When your Lepers place at least one corruption token in a region during the corruption phase, you may place one additional corruption token in that region.
    Plaguebearers - When a Plaguebearer is killed during the battle phase, place one of your corruption tokens in that region.
    Great Unclean One - For every figure you kill in the same region as a Great Unclean One, you may place one corruption token in that region.

    Tzeentch Upgrades:
    Mystical Disregard - Once per round, you may play a Chaos card on top of an opponent's Chaos card, canceling its effect. The card you play must have power equal to or greater than the card you cover.
    Well of Power - During the summoning phase, instead of summoning a figure or playing a Chaos card, you may spend one power point to draw one Chaos card.
    Acolytes - Once per round during the battle phase, you may discard a card from your hand to cancel one hit assigned to one of your Acolytes.
    Horrors - When you play a Chaos card with a magic symbol, you may immediately summon a Horror to that region for 0 power.
    Lord of Change - When you summon a Lord of Change into a region, you may place one Warpstone token in that region.

    Slaanesh Upgrades:
    Fall from Grace - If you place three or more corruption tokens in a region with a Noble or Hero token, collect two dial advancement counters instead of only one.
    Rise to Glory - When calculating domination in a region, each noble token adds one to your domination value in that region.
    Seductresses - When summoned from the board (rather than from your stockpile), a Seductress figure may bring a Noble token (if present) from its origin region to its destination region.
    Daemonettes - When you summon a Daemonette into a region, you may take control of an opponent's Cultist in that region until the end of the turn. (Place the Cultist next to the Daemonette as a reminder.)
    Keeper of Secrets - A Keeper of Secrets counts as three Noble tokens.

    Horned Rat* Upgrades:
    The Council of Thirteen - Once per round during the summoning phase, you may play a Chaos card into a region whose card spaces are full. (Place this third Chaos card near the other card spaces in the region.)
    The Under Empire - You treat all regions with Skaven tokens as adjacent regions. When a region is ruined, you may immediately move any number of your figures from that region into one adjacent region.
    Clan Rats - When you summon a Clan Rat into a region where you do not currently have any Clan Rats, you may summon one additional Clan Rat to that region for 0 power.
    Rat Ogres - Opponents cannot assign hits to Clan Rats until they first assign enough hits to kill all Rat Ogres in the region.
    Vermin Lord - You may summon a Vermin Lord from the board (rather than from your stockpile) for 1 power.
    *The Horned Rat has only one set of upgrades.

    Delmain wrote: »
    Hey guys, helpful IC tidbit here.
    Roll Xd6.hitsopen(4,6). It'll reroll 6s and then count all the dice 4 and above and give you a convenient number of hits.

    Alternatively, you can make battle rolls via orokos (thanks, Infidel!)
    Delmain wrote: »
    Use Xd6o6h4.

    o is for Open, it rolls them over and over until you get a not-6. e6 just rerolls 6s once, even if another 6 comes up.

    Battle dice probabilities:
    MrBlarney wrote: »
    I made a table for expected results up to 6 battle dice. Cells without values have probabilities below 0.1%. There is some rounding, so the values won't be exact, but they'll be close enough for most purposes.


    We'll be using admanb's handtracker for this game; you'll need to make an account for the handtracker (if you haven't already).

    Once the game begins, you'll use the "Draw to hand" command on handtracker to draw cards. To play cards or discard them, click the "Play" button on the card in your hand, then link the action in the thread with the name of the card.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Darian's personal Unofficial FAQ for the Horned Rat (Now with some official rulings):
    1. Set up - how many Old World Cards should be used for a 3 player game including the Horned Rat? 4p? 5p?
      [FAQ - 7 cards for 4 or 5 players, 8 for 3, regardless of the Horned Rat's presence.]
    2. Dial advancement counters for Tzeentch, and Slaanesh -- are these once per region per phase, or can Tzeentch and Slaanesh spread out their corruption placement across phases? Can Tzeentch or Slaanesh earn more than one DAC from a single region during a round (e.g. from Havoc in battle then from corruption placement)?
      [FAQ states that Tzeentch can earn a DAC during the summoning phase.
      My ruling: One DAC may be earned in a region per phase per player. I'm going to interpret this as meaning that the condition must be met entirely within a phase. This was partially clarified by the FAQ but still leaves a bit of interpretation needed.]
    3. Horned Rat's dial -- for Summon X, does the summoned figure need to be adjacent to your current figures?
      [My ruling - Yes, it must be adjacent since it does not say "in any region".]
    4. Rampage -- Essentially, does this act like the battle phase in all ways, or is it simply a battle?
      [FAQ - This is just a battle, not acting like the battle phase. Things that specify "battle phase" do not trigger from a [COLOR="Red"]Rampage[/COLOR] battle, but things like Vengeance (which only mentions battle dice) do.
      Reference summary:
      Trigger: Vengeance, Bloodbath, Skulltaker, Bloodletters, Great Unclean One, Pleasure Shield, Strength in Numbers, Vermin Outbreak
      Do not trigger: Choking Stench, Plaguebearers, Warpstorm, Havoc, Transmorgrify, Acolytes, Shroud of Secrets, Greenskins Invade, Electors Sue for Peace]
    5. Skulltaker followed by Rampage - can the killed units be summoned away from the region?
      [FAQ - No; the figures cannot be removed before the card is discarded in the end phase.]
    6. Terror - can you choose to move only some cultists, leaving behind the cultists from another god?
      [My ruling - Yes, you make the choice to move or not separately for each god. And all the ones you move must go to the same region.]
    7. Bloodletter upgrade - Is it limited to once per region, or does every figure killed grant VP?
      [FAQ - Each figure killed is worth 2 VP.]
    8. Bloodthirster upgrade - Does this summoning get around the adjacency requirement? Do Warpstones count as corruption when determining whether a region is a valid target?
      [FAQ - No. It changes the cost if the destination region matches the requirement, but it is missing the "any region" key phrase that usually indicates teleportation effects.
      My ruling - No. Warpstones are considered as corruption only when checking for Ruination, not at other times.]
    9. Does corruption placed by Filth or Blue Scribes grant a DAC? (For Filth, of course, it would take 2 of them in the same region)
      [FAQ - Yes; move, place, same thing. As an errata, they changed Filth to be two separate events-remove, then place.]
    10. Do Quicken Decay and Festival of Sinew trigger on figures that are moved by other effects? What if their own figures are moved out by an opponent (e.g., by Terror)?
      [FAQ - Bolt of Change using a new key word "replace" which does not trigger Quicken or Festival.
      My ruling - Yes; move, summon, place, same thing. And it looks for the source of the movement, not the owner of the figure.]
    11. Can Convocation pull figures from more than one region?
      [FAQ - They must come from the same region.]
    12. How many corruption tokens will each warrior or greater daemon place if two Havoc cards are in the same region?
      [My ruling - Havoc is a replacement effect--instead of rolling battle dice, the warriors place one corruption. I can see this one argued either way:
      A. when the second Havoc resolves, they are no longer rolling battle dice, so it has no effect.
      B. Havoc stops them from rolling battle dice then has them place a corruption; they would place one corruption for each Havoc card in the region.
      I will go with interpretation A, so they will only place one corruption each.]
    13. Warp Portal with an upgraded Horror -- is the newly placed Horror a valid target for the Portal's teleportation?
      [FAQ - No, the new horror is not placed until the card has been resolved.]
    14. Acolytes upgrade -- after you cancel a hit, can the opponent still kill your acolyte by applying their next hit to it? Can another opponent kill the acolyte with their hits?
      [FAQ - This upgrade triggers after all powers assign their hits for the region, but before killed figures are removed.]
    15. Lord of Change upgrade -- if it is moved by Warp Portal, can it place a Warpstone? What if it is moved by Lambs to the Slaughter?
      [FAQ - Only triggers if Tzeentch does the summoning. Warp Portal, yes, Lambs to the Slaughter, no.]
    16. Shroud of Secrets -- if a player does not have enough hits left to kill an opponent's figure, can they apply the remaining hits to Slaanesh's? (e.g., if a Rat Ogre is present with some Seductresses and no Peasants, and Khorne only rolls one hit, can he target the Seductress or must he waste the hit?)
      [My ruling - No; the Slaanesh figures are not legal targets while anything else is alive.]
    17. Daemonette upgrade -- if the Daemonette dies or is summoned away from the region, does the cultist remain under Slaanesh's control?
      [My ruling - Since they didn't specify, as they did for the KoS in the base set, I'm going to guess they intended the control to persist, regardless, so I'll rule yes. This also implies that Slaanesh can summon the cultist away without losing control, just as with Soporific Musk in the base game.]
    18. Can Slaanesh take advantage of the Leper upgrade if his Daemonette upgrade gives him control of one?
      [My ruling - Yes. You in the Leper upgrade refers to the controller of the Leper, not just to Nurgle.]
    19. Grey Seer with the Clan Rat upgrade - How many rats are summoned?
      [FAQ - The upgrade gives one additional rat when you summon to a region with no rats present, so the Grey Seer will summon 3 rats instead of 2.]
    20. Strength in Numbers and Verminous Horde -- what is the trigger condition for these? Are they the same, or is there a difference between them?
      [FAQ - The same; the Horned Rat must have more figures than at least one opponent who is present in the region.
      My ruling - Following this to its logical conclusion, the cards will give no effect if only the horned rat is in the region. That seems odd to me, so as a house rule it will also trigger if only the rat has figures present.]
    21. The Under Empire -- are the figures moved before or after the ruination bonus VP are awarded for being present in the region? (Essentially, if HR moves all his figures out, does he still get the ruination bonus? I know he won't be eligible for 1st/2nd place if he uses this.)
      Also, are regions with a Skaven token considered adjacent to all other regions, or just to other regions containing Skaven tokens?
      [FAQ - Timing of this happens after the contributing bonus for presence, so that the same rat can take part in more than one ruination.
      My ruling - Regions containing Skaven are adjacent to each other, not to all regions.]
    22. The Light of Day/High Elf Protection -- can players choose a ruined region, to avoid placing the token? If so, can more than one player choose the same ruined region? Essentially, I'm wondering whether you meant "In order of Threat level (highest first), each player places one Event token in a different region."
      [FAQ - Ruined regions cannot be chosen for Old World card effects. Only if there is not valid region can the placement be avoided.]
    23. How do effects which grant additional dice or corruption interact with effects which limit or reduce? For example, if Choking Stench and another Nurgle card would reduce a bloodletter's dice to zero, will Vengeance still grant Khorne a battle die? If there is a single upgraded Leper in a region with Call to Arms! in play, does it place it's bonus corruption?
      [FAQ - Old World effects are persistent and apply first; then, disabling effects are applied before enabling effects.
      My ruling - "Additional" effects apply only if you would still have regular dice/corruption after all reductions. You can never have only the additional ones; in the examples above, Khorne would not roll any dice and Nurgle would not place any corruption.]
    24. Does Vermin Outbreak apply a cost to free summons from upgraded figures? Does it change the cost of figures summoned or moved by spells?
      [My ruling - Free summons are affected; a cost of 0 is still a cost. Upgraded horrors would cost 1 PP in addition to the cost of the spell; the Bloodthirster could be summoned once at a cost of 1 PP.
      Chaos card effects are noted as being immune to Vermin Outbreak, so summons from Convocation or Grey Seer would not be affected.]

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Invitations have been sent; should any of the invitees not respond by Monday, I'll send invites down the signup list until we have five players. Players, please remember to state your preferences for deck, OWCs, and god when you check in here.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure that if we end up playing with Morrslieb cards/upgrades, at least two of our players don't have the experience to have an opinion when it comes to nerfing the Bloodletter upgrade, but I'll put a feeler out there anyway.

  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I'm in! :)

    I would like Morrslieb cards and upgrades but no expert old world cards.

    I've never tried Tzeentch so I would to play as him, apart from that I have no preference.

    I wouldn't mind if the Bloodletter upgrade got a nerf.

    Overhamsteren on
    make art until someone dies
  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Preference for Skaven but I could play whatever (Morrslieb cards in either case)

    I'd go for an expert or mixed deck, just because I haven't run into them all yet and am curious with how they affect games.

    I also wouldn't mind if the Bloodletter upgrade got a nerf!

  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    I guess I should also ask this at the very start:

    Can Khorne get two dial tokens in the summoning phase if he plays 2 rampages in the same region and gets kills with each?

    Does Slaanesh earn dial tokens per phase or per turn?

    Does Verminous Horde work if only the Horned Rat has models present?

    make art until someone dies
  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I guess I should also ask this at the very start:

    Can Khorne get two dial tokens in the summoning phase if he plays 2 rampages in the same region and gets kills with each?


    Does Slaanesh earn dial tokens per phase or per turn?

    Per phase, like everyone else.

    Does Verminous Horde work if only the Horned Rat has models present?

    We are going to house rule that as yes, although I still read the FAQ as (stupidly) saying otherwise.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Replied via PM, but, having no experience with Horned Rat:

    Base chaos/upgrade deck
    Base old world (there's enough "fuck you" cards in there anyway)
    I'd prefer Slaanesh or Khorne, after that no preference.

  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Is base chaos cards & upgrades even an option with 5 players?

  • DarianDarian Registered User regular
    Yes. HR always uses his Morrslieb set, but the others have the choice of all base or all Morrslieb.

  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    I've never tried the base cards and upgrades but I guess I could manage.

    make art until someone dies
  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    That's one way to nerf the HR bloodletter upgrade.

  • TayrunTayrun Registered User regular
    To someone who has never played before, online or in person, this is quite a confusing conversation to follow.

    I pick stuff up fairly fast though, so I guess I'm fine with whatever. I'd rather play whatever is considered the "full game"/"most advanced level" rather than some watered-down newbie version. Learn by doing, and getting beaten down, etc.

    As for which god, I don't mind really. If there are any which have a reputation for being tricky for new players to handle then not those please.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Well, the base game isn't watered down or only for newbies, it's just different from the expansion. The expansion might be a bit more advanced, but the base game has a steep learning curve of its own. And I doubt anyone here has ever played the base game with The Horned Rat, so it should be new for everyone if that's what we end up doing (and what I'm leaning toward with the votes so far).

  • TayrunTayrun Registered User regular
    I have faith in your ability to pick something that I'll enjoy and be able to learn from, rather than just flounder uselessly until someone puts me out of my misery. Toaster.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I honestly think it's better to start with the base game here, so cool. And haha, sorry about that. You can at least partially blame Phyphor for your ongoing misery; it'd already be over if I'd just gone with my first instinct and airlocked you instead of encountering Kendra.

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  • TayrunTayrun Registered User regular
    Oh it's fine. The game has been over for like a week already. I offered to concede pages ago but someone (YOU!) suggested we should keep playing. :P

  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    While the outcome is inevitable, where or not I fulfill my objective is far less certain, consider it a favor to me to play the game out. Appears I have helped derail your own thread, how exciting.

    PSN SeGaTai
  • TayrunTayrun Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote:
    While the outcome is inevitable, where or not I fulfill my objective is far less certain, consider it a favor to me to play the game out. Appears I have helped derail your own thread, how exciting.

    I had come to this conclusion, Seggy, no worries. We'll keep going.

  • DarianDarian Registered User regular
    Tayrun wrote:
    To someone who has never played before, online or in person, this is quite a confusing conversation to follow.

    If you're curious, have a look at the decks on handtracker. The ones that just say "CitOW - (power) Chaos Cards" are the original, base decks. Further down is the deck for the Horned Rat and the expansion Morrslieb decks for the other powers.

  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    (powers) confused me in the start :lol: , power=chaos god, so could be any of their names instead in the sentence. :)

    If it's the same to you what cards we use Tayrun I do think(without having tried base cards) that the expansion cards are cooler(except maybe Nurgle's) just thematically and what not.

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  • doldaridoldari Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I'm in!

    I would like Morrslieb cards and upgrades, and mixed expert old world cards.

    I wouldn't mind if the Bloodletter upgrade got a nerf.

    Thanks blahmcblah.

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  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    doldari, are you and Overhamsteren related somehow? Your response was exactly like his at first. Maybe you just quote and edit to save time or something. A few other issues to sort out:

    Despite my wanting an excuse to do a base game + HR, the majority wants Morrslieb (sorry, Salvation - you can always play a base game another time - @stever777 runs them every so often), and the majority also wants a Bloodletter upgrade nerf, so we need to vote on how to nerf it.

    The choices are:

    A. 1 point per kill
    B. 2 points max per region
    C. Complete nerf, replace with Base upgrade

    Tayrun and Salvation each need to make an account at handtracker. Don't use a password that you use for anything else, as they're stored in plaintext there.

    Last thing: not a real requirement, but it'd be useful to me if either doldari, MrBody, or both would upload an avatar so I have an easier time telling you apart. Thanks!

  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    There, that should help keep track of which god I am.

    Has anyone tried nerfing the upgrade via "only bloodletter dice count for 2 VP"?

    I guess I'll vote for 1 point per kill. Although the 2 points max per region also sounds maybe balanced, it's too much playing exactly like a dial strategy.

  • doldaridoldari Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    No relationship with Overhamsteren.
    Just copied... :winky:

    I'll vote for A. 1 point per kill

    My handtracker account is same. 'doldari'

    Thanks blahmcblah.

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  • doldaridoldari Registered User regular
    Let me know.

    Do l select a God?? or randomly??

  • DarianDarian Registered User regular
    You can make a list of powers in the order you'd like to play them, or just let blah assign them randomly. Overhamsteren has requested Tzeentch and MrBody has asked for the Rat. Salvation said S then K, and Tayrun said anyone but Tzeentch.

  • doldaridoldari Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Thanks Darian.

    Tzzentch > Slaanesh > khorne > Horned Rat > Nurgle

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  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    1 VP per kill sounds ok, still one of the best upgrades in the game. :o

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I remember the first expansion game our group played, we all did "That CAN'T be right!" double takes when we first saw that upgrade. Plenty of games where Khorne blundered into victory with an awful first turn, taking the bloodletter upgrade second at the end of the 4th turn, not even realizing how powerful it was to maximize it, and still beating the 2nd place player by over 10 VP.

    Have a bunch of spare desk room next to the computer at the moment. Figure I'll set up the physical board and have it run our game too! It might get awkward explaining to company why there is an illustration of stretched out human skin on my table, which is incentive for me to win as quickly as possible.

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  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I'm gonna shoot for getting this started in earnest in about 3 hours from now. Anybody want to volunteer to take Nurgle so I don't end up sticking Tayrun with him? It's his first game ever, and I'd consider Morrslieb Nurgle to be pretty tricky.

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  • doldaridoldari Registered User regular
    blahmcblah wrote:
    Anybody want to volunteer to take Nurgle so I don't end up sticking Tayrun with him? It's his first game ever, and I'd consider Morrslieb Nurgle to be pretty tricky.
    I wouldn't mind anything.

    OK. So I'll check about 8 hour leter. because sleepy. :lol:

    Thanks blahmcblah. :rotate:

  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Anyone outside North/South America timezones?

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Overhamsteren is in Denmark, Tayrun in the UK. Don't know about the other two.

  • TayrunTayrun Registered User regular
    blahmcblah wrote:
    Overhamsteren is in Denmark, Tayrun in the UK. Don't know about the other two.

    Someone finally remembered!! <3

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Ok, so it's going to be Morrslieb chaos cards and upgrades, base Old World cards, and the Bloodletter upgrade knocked down to 1 point per kill. People have conflicting preferences, so I'm rolling to see who gets what. Rolling for powers (o,m,s,t,d): 5d100=28, 69, 92, 92, 41. So that gives us...

    Tayrun as Khorne (red)

    Overhamsteren as Nurgle (limegreen)
    doldari as Tzeentch (dodgerblue)
    Salvation122 as Slaanesh (mediumorchid)
    MrBody as The Horned Rat (gray)

    Permissions have been updated on handtracker (for everyone but @Tayrun, who still needs to make an account), so you should all draw your first three cards. Board coming shortly.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    Round 1, Old World and Draw Phases

    Weak, but sort of appropriate.

    Plunged into Chaos
    Each player immediately scores 1 victory point for each Peasant token he has claimed. The player who has claimed the most Peasant tokens scores 3 additional victory points. - Discard this card instead of adding it to the Old World track.

    No dead Peasants yet (obviously), so no points.


    Draw Phase:

    Tzeentch may choose to discard one card (discards are done just by playing the card on handtracker, then linking it here) before drawing to 5.

    Draw 2, 5 in hand, 19 left in deck
    Draw 2, 5 in hand, 19 left in deck
    Draw 2 or 3, 5 in hand, 19 or 18 left in deck
    Draw 2, 5 in hand, 19 left in deck
    Draw 2, 5 in hand, 19 left in deck

    Once Tzeentch has decided whether or not to discard, Khorne will be active to begin the first summoning phase.

  • blahmcblahblahmcblah Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Tayrun wrote:
    blahmcblah wrote:
    Overhamsteren is in Denmark, Tayrun in the UK. Don't know about the other two.

    Someone finally remembered!! <3

    Either that or I just clicked your sig at some point. :P But really I think you mentioned not being able to find something in Blighty in the board game thread at some point.

    Edit: It was the Summoner Wars Master Set.

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  • OverhamsterenOverhamsteren Registered User regular
    Noooooo I am stinky! :o

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