no First Contact games, I don't know why everyone wants that
The First Contact war was pretty small and lame
Agreed, but a first contact book (done by someone who knows the lore) would be interesting. I felt the story deserved more than a half page in the first ME book.
I feel like the immediate aftermath of the Reaper invasion wouldn't be all that interesting anyways. Maybe that's just me. It would also be impossible to have a direct sequel without talking about what Shepard did and all the recent choices made, which would complicate things.
I'd like to see it a bit in the future anyways. I'd like to see the long term ramifications of the Reaper wars and you'd still be close enough to run into old friends like Liara or something.
Yeah I can sorta see your point. On the other hand there were instances of missions or areas that I liked quite a bit which had nothing to do with the reapers (at least not directly); the mission to get Jack, Mordin's loyalty mission* (granted I don't know how many circumstances like this they can come up with), Garrus hunting down the crazy Salarian was nice thematically (even if execution was a bit similar to others),and even Zaeed's loyalty mission. I feel like there are more but those are the ones coming to me atm. Noveria and Feros were ultimately tied to Saren and such, but I could see plots like the the Thorian and mad scientists gone awry being established without the Reapers. Granted I'm sure people's enjoyment of those elements varied.
Granted I have to admit I do like the atmosphere of the Reapers looming. Especially with the occasional body horror popping up. But I could see "more human" villains ,so to speak, working....
The Mass Effect universe is infinitely expandable. The Reapers created a massive network of relays leading to the Citadel, exploring new relays is banned because of the Rachni and no one knows how many advanced races are out there. The Reapers have been around long enough to leave a lot of surprises, too.
The Mass Effect universe is infinitely expandable. The Reapers created a massive network of relays leading to the Citadel, exploring new relays is banned because of the Rachni and no one knows how many advanced races are out there. The Reapers have been around long enough to leave a lot of surprises, too.
We've seen mecha-Cthulhu...now bio-Cthulhu? And it's now 25 years later and Shepard is Admiral* O_o
*if not President of the Galaxy
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The Thorian is pretty much a bio-Chtulhu. Who says it is unique.
The Mass Effect universe is infinitely expandable. The Reapers created a massive network of relays leading to the Citadel, exploring new relays is banned because of the Rachni and no one knows how many advanced races are out there. The Reapers have been around long enough to leave a lot of surprises, too.
We've seen mecha-Cthulhu...now bio-Cthulhu? And it's now 25 years later and Shepard is Admiral* O_o
*if not President of the Galaxy
Shepard: We need you, Pastor, to get to the bottom of this galaxy threatening issue.
Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Human centric and power hungry, yes. But also to thank for, you know, saving the galaxy. Even if for selfish reasons.
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Yeah, 600 deaths on each side is hardly a war of the worlds.
Yeah, but you wouldn't be a soldier. I'd expect a black ops team that is secretly going around blowing shit up and investigating things before and after the war. Aggressive maneuvers and posturing start and end after the official designations. Maybe even a kind of disavowed spy after the war ends and peace is brokered, gathering intelligence and such. Plus this is the era when the seeds of the Illusive Man and Cerberus start to get sown. A First Contact War game is probably the wrong thing to say. The war itself is unremarkable. But there are lots of things to see and do.
I feel like the immediate aftermath of the Reaper invasion wouldn't be all that interesting anyways. Maybe that's just me. It would also be impossible to have a direct sequel without talking about what Shepard did and all the recent choices made, which would complicate things.
I'd like to see it a bit in the future anyways. I'd like to see the long term ramifications of the Reaper wars and you'd still be close enough to run into old friends like Liara or something.
Yeah I can sorta see your point. On the other hand there were instances of missions or areas that I liked quite a bit which had nothing to do with the reapers (at least not directly); the mission to get Jack, Mordin's loyalty mission* (granted I don't know how many circumstances like this they can come up with), Garrus hunting down the crazy Salarian was nice thematically (even if execution was a bit similar to others),and even Zaeed's loyalty mission. I feel like there are more but those are the ones coming to me atm. Noveria and Feros were ultimately tied to Saren and such, but I could see plots like the the Thorian and mad scientists gone awry being established without the Reapers. Granted I'm sure people's enjoyment of those elements varied.
Granted I have to admit I do like the atmosphere of the Reapers looming. Especially with the occasional body horror popping up. But I could see "more human" villains ,so to speak, working....
The problem is that this is a Big Fucking Deal. It's not Whitney Houston dying. It's like trying to set something in America a week after 9/11. Nothing gets done. It's fucking 9/11. They postponed a week of football. There's nowhere in the galaxy you can go that won't be touched by it. I guess if you want to go to barren landscapes or completely wild planets and play Mass Effect: Big Game Hunter, that might work, except this is such a massive deal that the big game hunter goes home to find his family and make sure they haven't been eaten. You probably couldn't even find mercenaries to fight because the mercenaries would be like "dude this shit is fucked up."
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Does the PC demo support a 360 gamepad?
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Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Human centric and power hungry, yes. But also to thank for, you know, saving the galaxy. Even if for selfish reasons.
Cerberus didn't save the galaxy at all.
Shepard saved humanity from the Collectors, and the Reaper directing them was unharmed.
Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Human centric and power hungry, yes. But also to thank for, you know, saving the galaxy. Even if for selfish reasons.
Cerberus didn't save the galaxy at all.
Shepard saved humanity from the Collectors, and the Reaper directing them was unharmed.
Seriously. The entire time I was telling people "This isn't a Cerberus mission, this is my mission." At the end of that mission I told him "Thanks for the ship, now go fuck yourself."
Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Human centric and power hungry, yes. But also to thank for, you know, saving the galaxy. Even if for selfish reasons.
Cerberus didn't save the galaxy at all.
Shepard saved humanity from the Collectors, and the Reaper directing them was unharmed.
This is true, but it's hardly the most terrible act and I disagree the Reapers were unharmed. They obviously weren't dealt a death blow but I doubt they counted on Shepard doing as much damage as she did.
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Honestly it would be awesome if a Krogan had a religious experience and became the Pope. A Krogan Pope, imagine the possibilities.
The Catholic Church is officially cool with aliens, I imagine it would go over well.
It'd be hard for him to get promoted that far I imagine. Not because he's an alien, or even a Krogan, but because Krogans live so long. I mean, he'd probably be wearing the pope hat for generations, to the point "Is the pope Krogan?" would be as common as "Do bears shit in the woods?"
On the other hand, Cerberus assassination teams would be in for a bit of a shock, and Terra Firma would probably burst a collective artery.
If he was as popular as say... John Paul II it might go over smoother. It would basically be like Saint Moses the Black being in charge for a few hundred years. "Look, you're trying to kill me and all and that's cute, but I don't really do the whole violence thing anymore. But seriously, you should repent before I start hitting you."
It's all good. Trust me...
...I'm the space pope.
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Now I really want to see a Krogan just punching while wearing the pope outfit yelling "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU"
Cerberus is bad guys is the only thing I've felt has been spoiled, but it's in pretty much all the marketing, and the demo, so it's impossible to avoid.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Human centric and power hungry, yes. But also to thank for, you know, saving the galaxy. Even if for selfish reasons.
Cerberus didn't save the galaxy at all.
Shepard saved humanity from the Collectors, and the Reaper directing them was unharmed.
This is true, but it's hardly the most terrible act and I disagree the Reapers were unharmed. They obviously weren't dealt a death blow but I doubt they counted on Shepard doing as much damage as she did.
My point is, the galaxy wasn't remotely at stake in 2, and Cerberus just helped Shepard, who did the actual work.
By help you mean resurrected from the dead then given a ship and crew at great cost.
Which totally makes up for slaughtering thousands of other humans in horrific experiments and unleashing rogue Rachni, Thresher Maws and Thorian Creepers on Alliance soldiers.
I'm sure they have humanity's best interest at heart when they dissect them for science. Its why they only slaughter humans instead of, I don't know, anyone or anything else.
Cerberus is completely incompetent and evil. Helping Shepard, once, doesn't change that. Especially when you send him into three death traps over the course of that help.
The great thing about ME2 is how Shepard sees the collector ship and is like "My god... they're planning on hitting Earth!"
No Shepard. No they aren't. They have literally one ship.
If Shep had done nothing at all in ME2 the Alliance would have continued putting defences on colonies and those guns would have seen off future Collector advances, just like they did on Horizon. The Human Reaper wouldn't have been finished until the rest of the Reapers showed up.
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The great thing about ME2 is how Shepard sees the collector ship and is like "My god... they're planning on hitting Earth!"
No Shepard. No they aren't. They have literally one ship.
If Shep had done nothing at all in ME2 the Alliance would have continued putting defences on colonies and those guns would have seen off future Collector advances, just like they did on Horizon. The Human Reaper wouldn't have been finished until the rest of the Reapers showed up.
I dunno. They probably are. The Reapers would have been there pretty soon assuming the events of Arrival don't happen. From what we saw on the inside of the derelict Reaper, they don't really have extensive detention facilities, nor a groundforce of things to abduct humans. They have plenty of Husks and shit, but they don't have cells to transport things or people to pick them up. I imagine trying to pick humans up with the tentacles would not work out well.
So the Reapers are the muscle, and the Collectors are there to release the seeker swarms, pick up frozen humans, and then carry them back to the base.
Honestly it would be awesome if a Krogan had a religious experience and became the Pope. A Krogan Pope, imagine the possibilities.
The Catholic Church is officially cool with aliens, I imagine it would go over well.
It'd be hard for him to get promoted that far I imagine. Not because he's an alien, or even a Krogan, but because Krogans live so long. I mean, he'd probably be wearing the pope hat for generations, to the point "Is the pope Krogan?" would be as common as "Do bears shit in the woods?"
On the other hand, Cerberus assassination teams would be in for a bit of a shock, and Terra Firma would probably burst a collective artery.
If he was as popular as say... John Paul II it might go over smoother. It would basically be like Saint Moses the Black being in charge for a few hundred years. "Look, you're trying to kill me and all and that's cute, but I don't really do the whole violence thing anymore. But seriously, you should repent before I start hitting you."
It's all good. Trust me...
...I'm the space pope.
GOTY.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
The fact that they have one ship is why the reapening of the galaxy takes so many years. Come on Reapers, invest in some goddamn abduction infrastructure.
The great thing about ME2 is how Shepard sees the collector ship and is like "My god... they're planning on hitting Earth!"
No Shepard. No they aren't. They have literally one ship.
If Shep had done nothing at all in ME2 the Alliance would have continued putting defences on colonies and those guns would have seen off future Collector advances, just like they did on Horizon. The Human Reaper wouldn't have been finished until the rest of the Reapers showed up.
I dunno. They probably are. The Reapers would have been there pretty soon assuming the events of Arrival don't happen. From what we saw on the inside of the derelict Reaper, they don't really have extensive detention facilities, nor a groundforce of things to abduct humans. They have plenty of Husks and shit, but they don't have cells to transport things or people to pick them up. I imagine trying to pick humans up with the tentacles would not work out well.
So the Reapers are the muscle, and the Collectors are there to release the seeker swarms, pick up frozen humans, and then carry them back to the base.
That's what I said? The Collectors can't do anything by themselves save steal relatively small numbers of people; they need to wait for the Reapers before they can do anything on a significant scale. It's a clever fakeout by Bioware because it ups the stakes for the Shep and the gang, while at the same time hinting that the Collectors lack the firepower themselves with the info that it's the same ship that hit two years ago, and that the Collectors are repurposed Protheans, meaning there can't be many left.
In hindsight, while hitting the Collector base is a worthwhile enough endeavour for the tech potential it bestows, it's not really worthy of a suicide mission.
Collectors aren't muscle, they have one ship. At the time "They're going to hit Earth" was said, that fact was not known. The Collectors are there to study genetic anomalies and evaluate each species. At the end of ME1, Harby decided to get a headstart on the reaper-makin' to occupy himself while he and everyone else FTL'd to the galaxy. Reapers have muscle with husks and heretics. Not all husks are the zombie kind, they'll have some way to abduct people.
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Well you said they weren't planning on hitting Earth. I thought that meant at all or ever. And yes, hindsight being what it is, it's super unlikely that the Collectors could make it very far past the Charon relay with just the one ship. But you know...they don't actually KNOW that. They have no idea what the Collectors are doing or why they're taking anyone.
And I think your views are a little optimistic. I don't know if they're going to keep adding cannons. Remember that while these are human colonies, they aren't Alliance colonies. They're outside of Alliance space and any support isn't guaranteed. Kaidan is only on Horizon as a show of good will, as well as a cover to figure out what Shepard's up to. I think it's reasonable to say that without Shepard at the very least more colonies go dark, and I think it's worthwhile for Shepard's suicide mission to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of human lives.
Collectors aren't muscle, they have one ship. At the time "They're going to hit Earth" was said, that fact was not known. The Collectors are there to study genetic anomalies and evaluate each species. At the end of ME1, Harby decided to get a headstart on the reaper-makin' to occupy himself while he and everyone else FTL'd to the galaxy. Reapers have muscle with husks and heretics. Not all husks are the zombie kind, they'll have some way to abduct people.
Basically the Collectors are the Reaper's STG. STill a worthwhile target, but they're not frontline sluggers.
I'm sorry, but this talk of a space pope being Krogan is just blowing my mind. Even more so the:
Is the pope a krogan? Does an Asari earn a paycheck on her knees? Of course the pope is Krogan! He's the friggen pope!
Earlier today there was an attempt made on the pope's life. Arsis Grunt the third was walking among the people, a tradition he started eighty years ago despite the outcry from the faithful over the personal risk, when a Batarian radical approached him from behind and stabbed him with a seven inch knife several times. The pope responded with his usual method of greeting those of the Morman faith, and the Batarian was soon released to C-sec custody after emergency personal tended to his wounds.
Asked to comment on the assault, the Pontiff had this to say:
"It is regretful that those of different belief can not always see eye to eye. I do as god would will, and try to meet all those who voice dissent to my faith face to face."
After that, the pontiff continued his walk, stopping only to welcome Joanna Shepard, grandaughter of the late hero Jennifer Shepard, to the vatican.
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It is worth pointing out that the first thing the Collector's did was take down the individual responsible for stopping Sovereign.
I think that assuming that's because of Shepard is the Neo like One responsible for the unravelling of the Reapers as foretold by Globulus the Many Eyed over thirty cycles ago is a bit too far.
I like to think it was like a gangland revenge shooting. "Hey, isn't that the guy who killed Sovs?" "Hey yeah it is. Let's waste that fool."
I'm sorry, but this talk of a space pope being Krogan is just blowing my mind. Even more so the:
Is the pope a krogan? Does an Asari earn a paycheck on her knees? Of course the pope is Krogan! He's the friggen pope!
Earlier today there was an attempt made on the pope's life. Arsis Grunt the third was walking among the people, a tradition he started eighty years ago despite the outcry from the faithful over the personal risk, when a Batarian radical approached him from behind and stabbed him with a seven inch knife several times. The pope responded with his usual method of greeting those of the Morman faith, firing two rounds to the knees, and the Batarian was soon released to C-sec custody after emergency personal tended to his wounds.
Asked to comment on the assault, the Pontiff had this to say:
"It is regretful that those of different beliefs can not always see eye to eye. I do as god would will, and try to meet all those who voice dissent to my faith face to face. Thankfully, the good book is somewhat fuzzy on rules about kneecaps."
After that, the pontiff continued his walk, stopping only to welcome Joanna Shepard, grandaughter of the late hero Jennifer Shepard, to the vatican.
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Good point. I forgot how small it was.
Edit Is there a single place I can read all the codex entries for ME 1 and 2?
The TIM origin comic is set during the war.
Yeah I can sorta see your point. On the other hand there were instances of missions or areas that I liked quite a bit which had nothing to do with the reapers (at least not directly); the mission to get Jack, Mordin's loyalty mission* (granted I don't know how many circumstances like this they can come up with), Garrus hunting down the crazy Salarian was nice thematically (even if execution was a bit similar to others),and even Zaeed's loyalty mission. I feel like there are more but those are the ones coming to me atm. Noveria and Feros were ultimately tied to Saren and such, but I could see plots like the the Thorian and mad scientists gone awry being established without the Reapers. Granted I'm sure people's enjoyment of those elements varied.
Granted I have to admit I do like the atmosphere of the Reapers looming. Especially with the occasional body horror popping up. But I could see "more human" villains ,so to speak, working....
We've seen mecha-Cthulhu...now bio-Cthulhu? And it's now 25 years later and Shepard is Admiral* O_o
Shepard: We need you, Pastor, to get to the bottom of this galaxy threatening issue.
I don't understand this. Cerberus was always the bad guys.
I'm not surprised they will be but I disagree.
Yeah, but you wouldn't be a soldier. I'd expect a black ops team that is secretly going around blowing shit up and investigating things before and after the war. Aggressive maneuvers and posturing start and end after the official designations. Maybe even a kind of disavowed spy after the war ends and peace is brokered, gathering intelligence and such. Plus this is the era when the seeds of the Illusive Man and Cerberus start to get sown. A First Contact War game is probably the wrong thing to say. The war itself is unremarkable. But there are lots of things to see and do.
The problem is that this is a Big Fucking Deal. It's not Whitney Houston dying. It's like trying to set something in America a week after 9/11. Nothing gets done. It's fucking 9/11. They postponed a week of football. There's nowhere in the galaxy you can go that won't be touched by it. I guess if you want to go to barren landscapes or completely wild planets and play Mass Effect: Big Game Hunter, that might work, except this is such a massive deal that the big game hunter goes home to find his family and make sure they haven't been eaten. You probably couldn't even find mercenaries to fight because the mercenaries would be like "dude this shit is fucked up."
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Cerberus didn't save the galaxy at all.
Seriously. The entire time I was telling people "This isn't a Cerberus mission, this is my mission." At the end of that mission I told him "Thanks for the ship, now go fuck yourself."
fuck Origin
why when I make a public match on PC, NO ONE JOINS
but yeah, is there a way to use a 360 gamepad on the PC demo?
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fucking bullshit
I hope the full game supports a controller
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But other than that you're fucked.
It's all good. Trust me...
...I'm the space pope.
My point is, the galaxy wasn't remotely at stake in 2, and Cerberus just helped Shepard, who did the actual work.
Which totally makes up for slaughtering thousands of other humans in horrific experiments and unleashing rogue Rachni, Thresher Maws and Thorian Creepers on Alliance soldiers.
I'm sure they have humanity's best interest at heart when they dissect them for science. Its why they only slaughter humans instead of, I don't know, anyone or anything else.
Cerberus is completely incompetent and evil. Helping Shepard, once, doesn't change that. Especially when you send him into three death traps over the course of that help.
No Shepard. No they aren't. They have literally one ship.
If Shep had done nothing at all in ME2 the Alliance would have continued putting defences on colonies and those guns would have seen off future Collector advances, just like they did on Horizon. The Human Reaper wouldn't have been finished until the rest of the Reapers showed up.
I dunno. They probably are. The Reapers would have been there pretty soon assuming the events of Arrival don't happen. From what we saw on the inside of the derelict Reaper, they don't really have extensive detention facilities, nor a groundforce of things to abduct humans. They have plenty of Husks and shit, but they don't have cells to transport things or people to pick them up. I imagine trying to pick humans up with the tentacles would not work out well.
So the Reapers are the muscle, and the Collectors are there to release the seeker swarms, pick up frozen humans, and then carry them back to the base.
GOTY.
That's what I said? The Collectors can't do anything by themselves save steal relatively small numbers of people; they need to wait for the Reapers before they can do anything on a significant scale. It's a clever fakeout by Bioware because it ups the stakes for the Shep and the gang, while at the same time hinting that the Collectors lack the firepower themselves with the info that it's the same ship that hit two years ago, and that the Collectors are repurposed Protheans, meaning there can't be many left.
In hindsight, while hitting the Collector base is a worthwhile enough endeavour for the tech potential it bestows, it's not really worthy of a suicide mission.
And I think your views are a little optimistic. I don't know if they're going to keep adding cannons. Remember that while these are human colonies, they aren't Alliance colonies. They're outside of Alliance space and any support isn't guaranteed. Kaidan is only on Horizon as a show of good will, as well as a cover to figure out what Shepard's up to. I think it's reasonable to say that without Shepard at the very least more colonies go dark, and I think it's worthwhile for Shepard's suicide mission to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of human lives.
Basically the Collectors are the Reaper's STG. STill a worthwhile target, but they're not frontline sluggers.
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Is the pope a krogan? Does an Asari earn a paycheck on her knees? Of course the pope is Krogan! He's the friggen pope!
Earlier today there was an attempt made on the pope's life. Arsis Grunt the third was walking among the people, a tradition he started eighty years ago despite the outcry from the faithful over the personal risk, when a Batarian radical approached him from behind and stabbed him with a seven inch knife several times. The pope responded with his usual method of greeting those of the Morman faith, and the Batarian was soon released to C-sec custody after emergency personal tended to his wounds.
Asked to comment on the assault, the Pontiff had this to say:
"It is regretful that those of different belief can not always see eye to eye. I do as god would will, and try to meet all those who voice dissent to my faith face to face."
After that, the pontiff continued his walk, stopping only to welcome Joanna Shepard, grandaughter of the late hero Jennifer Shepard, to the vatican.
I think that assuming that's because of Shepard is the Neo like One responsible for the unravelling of the Reapers as foretold by Globulus the Many Eyed over thirty cycles ago is a bit too far.
I like to think it was like a gangland revenge shooting. "Hey, isn't that the guy who killed Sovs?" "Hey yeah it is. Let's waste that fool."
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The Collectors were the Reapers Spec Ops team. They'd have been a major theat in any war, so it was worthwhile to end them before the Reapers show.