Consequences #3, we start to see Cyclops new plan:
He seems to be positioning himself to have his school appear after he gets out, where he trains the older people who might have developed mutant powers, the kind of people who had nothing until they became mutants. That's a good way to further explore Cyclops' goal in making the world safe for all mutants. He also won't let Magik (it seems) break him out, because he is not a criminal but a political prisoner. I still think Cable will break him out, but only after some clear miscarriage of justice or something, like he gets the prison guards beating him on tape or somesuch. Or Cable could just be throwing a wrench into Scott's plans despite his best intentions.
Storm also seems to be the one on the inside who's helping keep Cyclops' team from being found.
There is one dumb scene where Cap and Maria Hill act like they aren't the highest powers in the land, because thinking like that leads to people like Cyclops. It's like whatever dudes, your threat of force kind of started all this (especially Hill, her threat to Cap years ago started Civil War). It's one of those things where it's clearly ignoring what just happened.
A good issue, Gillen is trying to set up all the branches leading into NOW, and Scot Eaton really needs to be on a bigger profile book.
Right on everything but the school. He dosent want to set one up, He was actually giving a shoutout to Logan's school for the kid to go there.
Which, honestly, was the best part of the issue.
Cyke may hate Logan's guts, but he has always appreciated the school. The reason why Schism happend wasnt because he disagreed that Xavier's dream needed to be mantained, it was that at the time THERE WERE LITTERALLY NO MUTANTS LEFT with a billion hate groups targeting them for extinction, and that putting every mutant in one place without training would be like shooting fish in a barrell.
But now that Scott see's that mutants are saved, it's the clear alternative. Really fantastic bit thrown in there
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I thought it might be too soon to show that, but I could see that working out really well too. It shows Cyclops is always a big picture thinker.
I think what threw me was
how the guy was basically nothing until he got powers, and that might spark the mutant pride Cyclops might be seeing for the first time in a long time. Not a disability but an opportunity to be better than you could ever be.
But the idea,and it would work with Gillen, that Cyclops is even at this time above the pettiness the Avengers and X-Men are throwing at him, it's a nice touch. Haters gonna hate.
It's a preview dogg it isn't going to explain everything
I got that. Eventually. At first I thought it was something like Mini Marvels (which I like, before someone tries to stake me through the heart) with punchy little episodes wrapped up at the end of each page.
He dosent recognize Scott because he's not in costume.
Scott see's this, and puts on his costume.
I didn't recognise him either until the costume went on, and then it's like, 'why didn't he have the costume on first?', and then I'm like, 'me brain hurts'.
Isn't there like a dozen different afterlifes in Marvel? Plus you could just say that was his perception at the time and didn't necessarily represent what really happened.
Jason Aaron's Incredible Hulk run really turned itself around after that first, disappointing, arc.
The final issue was a fantastic character piece and totally sets up Indestructible Hulk beautifully.
This little monologue was easily my favorite bit:
It's all narrating two scenes being inter-cut, Hulk beating up Doom's mind assassin inside Banner/Hulk's brain and Banner out in the driver's seat blasting Doom's army of hulked out beast men with a Hulkbuster gun.
Man. Monster. Avenger. Conqueror. Killer. Savior. Genius. Mindless raging beast. Banner. Incredible Hulk. I am a Hulk united. Now and forever.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Consequences #4 preview, Iron Man talks to Cyclops with no attitude or posturing. Seriously, Gillen I want to give you money to buy your Iron Man but you have to meet me halfway and ditch your artist.
Really, where was this type of talk in the main series? Gillen is basically the writer version of Damage Control.
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I have wondered more than once how the rest of Marvel feels about Land. Especially the other artists who see him get work for literally tracing, and the writers who get stuck with him. Gillen is far too nice/polite/british to ever actually say anything but it's got to chafe.
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Consequences #4 preview, Iron Man talks to Cyclops with no attitude or posturing. Seriously, Gillen I want to give you money to buy your Iron Man but you have to meet me halfway and ditch your artist.
Really, where was this type of talk in the main series? Gillen is basically the writer version of Damage Control.
Something else that is said in that preview. It wasn't Magick he was communicating with but rather Magneto. Apparantly it was metal filings and not salt.
I'm really liking how Gillen is cleaning up some of the mess of AvX. I was going to pass on his Iron Man because of Land, but I think I may have to reconsider.
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So Tony spending six months in Mandarin City must be post-AvX, right? Or is that just not going to be reconciled timewise with other series?
Jason Aaron's Incredible Hulk run really turned itself around after that first, disappointing, arc.
The final issue was a fantastic character piece and totally sets up Indestructible Hulk beautifully.
This little monologue was easily my favorite bit:
It's all narrating two scenes being inter-cut, Hulk beating up Doom's mind assassin inside Banner/Hulk's brain and Banner out in the driver's seat blasting Doom's army of hulked out beast men with a Hulkbuster gun.
Man. Monster. Avenger. Conqueror. Killer. Savior. Genius. Mindless raging beast. Banner. Incredible Hulk. I am a Hulk united. Now and forever.
Yeah, those last few issues of Incredible Hulk made me happy I stuck with the series. The new #1 last year was one of the reasons I decided to jump back into comics, but turned out to be a bit of a let down at the start.
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Consequences #4, continues to get better and better, but like JiM Gillen is getting rather meta in his books now:
Brand was the actual insider who was helping keep Scott's team one step ahead, because mutants first, it's why she always went to Scott for help instead of Hank's team or the Avengers. Storm finds Peter but won't turn him in because he doesn't know whether to be a pacifist or to go crazy, and Magneto meets her and tells her it was fun to be united for a bit, but the role of hero and villain is nothing more than how the times choose to cast us (pretty on the nose, huh?)
Jake, the other mutant in Scott's prison, gets killed by other prisoners and that makes Cyclops decide to break out, even after Wolverine talks to him telling him Cyclops was his real role model. They're really pushing Wolverine as the super #1 mutant, but it's at least nice to show that the two were allies for years and there is weight to his words as opposed to how he acted in recent months. It's like hey, Wolverine was an X-Man for way longer than an Avenger, remember those days? In the end Magneto, Danger, and Magik look to break Cyclops out of jail, saying they're role has been chosen, "villains it is" I think Gillen will just use Magneto as meta-spokesman any chance he can now.
It's been so long since I've seen Mark Brooks draw interiors, it's a nice look, it would be nice if he could draw an arc without a fill-in or inkers.
Is anyone else unable to buy Consequences #4 in the Marvel app? It's the only one of this week's issues that will load up everything except the buy button... Weird.
I am expecting Bendis to write a great Magneto and Cyclops, based off of the interview where he outlines Cykes role as a revolutionary, not an outright villain.
I think Cyclops will occupy the role of revolutionary far better than Magneto ever did. Magneto just had too much baggage from The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and multiple schemes to end the world.
Cyclops is much more credible as the militant agent of change.
I want to see Magneto act as the backseat advisor to Cyclops, surreptiously manipulating him to become more and more like him. Because Magneto realizes that Cyclops is just like him, but without the bad PR baggage. (Oh sure, bring up the submarine incident...again!!!)
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Consequences #5 delivers on the Cyclops plot, fizzles on the Hope plot completely
Magneto, Danger, and Magik break Cyclops out, and he sends the people who killed Jake to Limbo. The prison owner lives but the prison is destroyed because no one will profit off abusing mutants (Danger also cut his face to have a big X on it, that seems a bit forced). The Avengers arrive too late, but Scott left a letter to Logan saying he wants the school to succeed, and he will be the one to make sure the mutants get a chance to go to the school. Cyclops is basically saying Wolverine wants to act like the goody goody now, here's his chance. And the end of the issue is reenforcing Cyclops protecting the world that fears and hates them.
One thing that didn't make any sense was that Hope was found by the Avengers because Wanda used a magic spell to locate her. That seem......unwise given her using magic is what made her cause all this in the first place. And then Cable says he'll always watch over Hope, yada yada not really anything changing with Hope.
And really, the whole Cable/Cyclops thing from X-Sanction seemed to be ignored, which seems like Cable just being a bad son. Shame Nathan, shame.
Hernandez Walta seemed an odd choice for the issue but does a good enough job, he was much better on FF.
Since the Cable-being-there-for-Scott-when-he-needed-it-most thing wasn't explored during AvX at all, it definitely didn't need to be used during Consequences. I do agree that the Hope issue seemed like it got glazed over, and I'm not at all sure how she's supposed to fit into this post AvX universe yet.
Side note, I like where Gillen has left Magneto, along-side Scott, because he has potential to be a character who does questionable things for the right reasons. I just hope that Bendis can keep making Magneto a strong character without turning him into a full-on villain again.
Since the Cable-being-there-for-Scott-when-he-needed-it-most thing wasn't explored during AvX at all, it definitely didn't need to be used during Consequences. I do agree that the Hope issue seemed like it got glazed over, and I'm not at all sure how she's supposed to fit into this post AvX universe yet.
Side note, I like where Gillen has left Magneto, along-side Scott, because he has potential to be a character who does questionable things for the right reasons. I just hope that Bendis can keep making Magneto a strong character without turning him into a full-on villain again.
Magneto is in good hands. Hell, he's one of the ones who put Mags down the "complicated" path again(House of M). It might not be as great as Keiron's, but he wont be doing outright bad Mags from him.
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Which, honestly, was the best part of the issue.
Cyke may hate Logan's guts, but he has always appreciated the school. The reason why Schism happend wasnt because he disagreed that Xavier's dream needed to be mantained, it was that at the time THERE WERE LITTERALLY NO MUTANTS LEFT with a billion hate groups targeting them for extinction, and that putting every mutant in one place without training would be like shooting fish in a barrell.
But now that Scott see's that mutants are saved, it's the clear alternative. Really fantastic bit thrown in there
I think what threw me was
But the idea,and it would work with Gillen, that Cyclops is even at this time above the pettiness the Avengers and X-Men are throwing at him, it's a nice touch. Haters gonna hate.
I don't like Pet Avengers or MLP either. :winky:
I got that. Eventually. At first I thought it was something like Mini Marvels (which I like, before someone tries to stake me through the heart) with punchy little episodes wrapped up at the end of each page.
I didn't recognise him either until the costume went on, and then it's like, 'why didn't he have the costume on first?', and then I'm like, 'me brain hurts'.
And now I'm done.
I don't care about MLP, but not liking Pet Avengers doesn't mean you just have no soul; you're a monster.
Isn't there like a dozen different afterlifes in Marvel? Plus you could just say that was his perception at the time and didn't necessarily represent what really happened.
Comparing AvX Babies and Pet Avengers to MLP is a crime
Innocent!
The sentence is death!
Comparing the comics to the show? Sure. Comparing AvX Babies and Pet Avengers to the MLP comic coming out next month? That's more fair.
The final issue was a fantastic character piece and totally sets up Indestructible Hulk beautifully.
This little monologue was easily my favorite bit:
Man. Monster. Avenger. Conqueror. Killer. Savior. Genius. Mindless raging beast. Banner. Incredible Hulk. I am a Hulk united. Now and forever.
Really, where was this type of talk in the main series? Gillen is basically the writer version of Damage Control.
Yeah, those last few issues of Incredible Hulk made me happy I stuck with the series. The new #1 last year was one of the reasons I decided to jump back into comics, but turned out to be a bit of a let down at the start.
Jake, the other mutant in Scott's prison, gets killed by other prisoners and that makes Cyclops decide to break out, even after Wolverine talks to him telling him Cyclops was his real role model. They're really pushing Wolverine as the super #1 mutant, but it's at least nice to show that the two were allies for years and there is weight to his words as opposed to how he acted in recent months. It's like hey, Wolverine was an X-Man for way longer than an Avenger, remember those days? In the end Magneto, Danger, and Magik look to break Cyclops out of jail, saying they're role has been chosen, "villains it is" I think Gillen will just use Magneto as meta-spokesman any chance he can now.
It's been so long since I've seen Mark Brooks draw interiors, it's a nice look, it would be nice if he could draw an arc without a fill-in or inkers.
don't fuck him up Bendis!
true, was still the only Bendis Magneto moment I could think of heh, but ya at least it was all purged really quick.
edit: and actually the Magneto diary of that issue was pretty good now that I think of it.
Cyclops is much more credible as the militant agent of change.
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I looked it up, but GIS only links back to other scans posted here.
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One thing that didn't make any sense was that Hope was found by the Avengers because Wanda used a magic spell to locate her. That seem......unwise given her using magic is what made her cause all this in the first place. And then Cable says he'll always watch over Hope, yada yada not really anything changing with Hope.
And really, the whole Cable/Cyclops thing from X-Sanction seemed to be ignored, which seems like Cable just being a bad son. Shame Nathan, shame.
Hernandez Walta seemed an odd choice for the issue but does a good enough job, he was much better on FF.
Side note, I like where Gillen has left Magneto, along-side Scott, because he has potential to be a character who does questionable things for the right reasons. I just hope that Bendis can keep making Magneto a strong character without turning him into a full-on villain again.
Magneto is in good hands. Hell, he's one of the ones who put Mags down the "complicated" path again(House of M). It might not be as great as Keiron's, but he wont be doing outright bad Mags from him.