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Avengers: AvX CHAMPIONS. "wedabes" declares Captain America.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I tell you what blows my mind are the negative reviews for the Jason Aaron Ghost Rider omnibus.
    Had heard a lot about Jason Aaron and started with this book. BIIIIIIGGGGGGG MISTAKE! The writing is choppy and half the book has art that gave me a headache trying to discern what exactly I was looking at. Save your money or just buy the movie with Nicholas Cage if you want a fix of Ghost Rider. I know the movie was cheesy but at least it was entertaining which this book is not!
    Writing was completely stupid. The entire history of the Ghost Rider retconned to make no sense whatsoever. How could nobody have ever noticed all of those Spirits of Vengence throughout history, much less throughout the world? The kicker was the Smokey and the Bandit Ghost Riders.....seeing that felt like someone left a turd on my soul.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Some people are just awful in every way, CD

    That's the way of the world

    Best to just ignore them and move on

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Centi you just aren't taking the mythology of the flaming skeleton motorcycle riding superhero who is named JOHNNY BLAZE seriously enough

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Some people are just awful in every way, CD

    That's the way of the world

    Best to just ignore them and move on

    They sound new to comics. It takes a while to get used to the insanity that super-hero universes get up to. They'd be better off starting with titles like Captain America or Spider-man then expanding into the cosmic and super-natural titles.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I just don't understand how Smokey and the Bandit Ghost Riders could make anyone sad instead of deliriously happy

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I just don't understand how Smokey and the Bandit Ghost Riders could make anyone sad instead of deliriously happy

    Don't forget the Ghost Rider riding a Great White shark. 8-)

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I just finished reading Contest of Champions 2, which I didn't even know about until I saw it in the discount rack a few weeks ago at the LCS. Apparently it actually had fan voting for some fights back in the day (1999 Marvel), and it kind of shows in some of the fights, many of which are just panels without showing the fight. (Black Widow beats half of X-Force combined, like what.) The plot is kind of in the Secret Wars vein but at the same time tries to make it seem like when you lose it's ok because there's a bigger fight involved, but it falls apart because this is a Claremont joint, which means his pet characters, ie all the X-Women from his first run, get prime page time, along with Carol Danvers and Human Torch, who I think got some more time because Claremont was writing FF at the time. It's just that, for a book about having heroes beat each other up for a fake premise, there's so many words, even for the classic Claremont style.

    At the same time there were two fights that actually were entertaining because they went a few pages and were thought out enough to be reasonable to the losers fans, like Spider-Woman vs. Human Torch and Daredevil vs. Deadpool. And a few matches that go the way they're supposed to because the power differences are just too great and are a nice little humor moment (might post one in the Awesome Moment thread tomorrow). It just isn't enough to carry a book which kind of abandons the whole ultimate champion ninja warrior aspect of the contest. In case you're wondering who the "winner" turns out to be, it's
    Carol Danvers, who appears kind of out of nowhere in the last issue to beat Rogue, who was mind controlled (Claremont!) and was actually the Brood Queen who absorbed the powers of Thor, Phoenix, Cap, Gambit, and others, as that was her ultimate goal with the contest. So it's basically Claremont trying to have Carol win one back against Rogue in terms of what he put her through all those years ago.

    I would think Marvel would put this up on comixology in some kind of build up to AvX, but at the same time they might be hesitant were they thinking of doing some of the fights in this similar a fashion.

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  • UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    So this is the latest police station / crazy dressed up person in UCSpider-man 8. And these usually reflect current going ons in the main 616 verse, so I wonder if Nova Prime will be in AvX?
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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Probably not, no.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Nova will not be coming back for a while, I think

  • UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    wow Children's Crusade #9 sounds awful

    edit: also
    AVENGERS VS X-MEN #5 (of 12)
    MATT FRACTION (W) • JOHN ROMITA JR (a)
    Cover by JIM CHEUNG
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    • The fiery conclusion of Act One brought to you by Matt Fraction and John Romita Jr!
    • Clashing on a lunar battlefield, the tide of the conflict will be turned…
    • The Phoenix takes its host! All hope is lost?!
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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Found spoilers of Children's Crusade. It does nothing to lead into AvX, when I know Marvel said it did previously until they made X-Sanction.

    in summary
    Cassie is dead, Scott is alive
    Iron Lad kills kid Vision and acts like Kang for no real reason
    Cyclops just lets Wanda off the hook and walks away with a complete BS thing about her never being able to be forgiven
    Wonder Man is all nice to Wanda now, showing no signs of going crazy or the crazy he was in the first Avengers story following Siege
    The YA team quits, Patriot goes to live in Arizona.
    We then get a scene of everything that happened so far timeline wise (Spider-Island, Schism, Human Torch returns) that makes no sense given what we've seen previously. Can't wait for Brevoort to spin this out in terms of the timeline.
    Wiccan and Hulking seem to be engaged now, or at least that's the way the page implies, which is just weird, not because they're gay, but because they're still in high school I thought.
    The remaining YA members minus Patriot go to Avengers Mansion to see they have a statue now, woweee!

    A terrible end to a terrible story with no real payoff, and what a completely cop out on the Wanda front that tries to wash everything about her craziness away with hand waving about Doom. Marvel really should be ashamed, if only because this is what took two years to be told?

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    Wow, that sounds terrible

  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Nova will not be coming back for a while, I think

    They're rolling out a new Nova. Which i'm not too fond off. Its like 1 step forward, 10 steps back.

    The character development of Richard Rider was rookie to veteran.

    Instead of carrying on Richard's story as a experienced hero they've just gone "fuck it, hit the reset button".

    I will give new Nova a fair shot though because I am gay for the Nova Corps.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Nova will not be coming back for a while, I think

    They're rolling out a new Nova. Which i'm not too fond off. Its like 1 step forward, 10 steps back.

    The character development of Richard Rider was rookie to veteran.

    Instead of carrying on Richard's story as a experienced hero they've just gone "fuck it, hit the reset button".

    I will give new Nova a fair shot though because I am gay for the Nova Corps.

    I am willing to give it a chance, certainly

    After all, Rich will likely be back some day. And really, he went out like a champ. I am fine with letting someone else take a swing of the bat first, as it were. Also that could set up the eventual return of Rich, which would then be even better for the build-up I think.

    Also yes Children's Crusade sounds awful in every way

  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    halfway done collecting the back volumes of Nova. There may or may not be a new nova by the time I get them plus the cosmic events I need.

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Hmm, probably won't get the Avengers: CC collection after all if it's really that bad.

    Although over on scans_daily...
    The kissing scene between Wiccan and Hulking was really, really well done.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    halfway done collecting the back volumes of Nova. There may or may not be a new nova by the time I get them plus the cosmic events I need.

    Still worth getting them though!

  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    Yeah wow CC#9 was straight garbage

  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    halfway done collecting the back volumes of Nova. There may or may not be a new nova by the time I get them plus the cosmic events I need.

    Still worth getting them though!

    I agree so far. Unfortunately Annihilation is my current thing to hunt down. Book 1 is the tough one to find

  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Found spoilers of Children's Crusade. It does nothing to lead into AvX, when I know Marvel said it did previously until they made X-Sanction.

    in summary
    Cassie is dead, Scott is alive
    Iron Lad kills kid Vision and acts like Kang for no real reason
    Cyclops just lets Wanda off the hook and walks away with a complete BS thing about her never being able to be forgiven
    Wonder Man is all nice to Wanda now, showing no signs of going crazy or the crazy he was in the first Avengers story following Siege
    The YA team quits, Patriot goes to live in Arizona.
    We then get a scene of everything that happened so far timeline wise (Spider-Island, Schism, Human Torch returns) that makes no sense given what we've seen previously. Can't wait for Brevoort to spin this out in terms of the timeline.
    Wiccan and Hulking seem to be engaged now, or at least that's the way the page implies, which is just weird, not because they're gay, but because they're still in high school I thought.
    The remaining YA members minus Patriot go to Avengers Mansion to see they have a statue now, woweee!

    A terrible end to a terrible story with no real payoff, and what a completely cop out on the Wanda front that tries to wash everything about her craziness away with hand waving about Doom. Marvel really should be ashamed, if only because this is what took two years to be told?

    what the fuck

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Avengers vs. X-men #1 has already sold more issues than every Children's Crusade issue combined so I don't think Marvel cares how little sense the CC miniseries made in hindsight.

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  • UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
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    SECRET AVENGERS #28
    Story by RICK REMENDER
    Art by RENATO GUEDES
    Cover by ALAN DAVIS
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    AVX TIE-IN!
    • The Avengers have devised a way to save the Kree homeworld from the Phoenix, but one man stands in their way – Captain Marvel!
    • Can Ms. Marvel and The Protector break free of Minister Marvel’s influence to aid their former companions?
    • When all else fails, one Avenger must rise and make the ultimate sacrifice…but will his death be enough?
    32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

    Protector is doooooomed.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Nah.

    I don't think he's even worth killing off at this point. That's how little he registers.

  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    Remender will kill O'Grady again you heard it here first

    That said, that is one good goddamn cover.

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    So... YA: CC was as bad as it gets.
    Two dead and Patriot gone. Shitttttttttttttttttttty.

    Waste of an awesome team. It felt like Heinberg was telling us, "stop bugging me about Young Avengers."

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    If Protector dies I will be super-pissed

    However Ms Marvel getting her Binary powers back, I approve of that

  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    Hmm.

    I could swear that CC still sounds better than some other things I've read, but the only one that comes to mind is Identity Crisis. But Cheung draws a neat Ms. Marvel, except she has that same smooth, overly-geometric face all his figures do.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I can't believe that
    Patriot left the YA

    Patriot is the best one

  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I can't believe that
    Patriot left the YA

    Patriot is the best one

    Right?
    His whole point is to try to stop them from doing stupid shit. Which they do... all the time.

    I hope that maybe there's another arc planned relatively soon, involve Kid Kang, Cassie, Vision, and Patriot returning.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    There are so many good writers Marvel could give the Young Avengers to. Let's hope after A vs. X-men we get another miniseries or maybe even an ongoing.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    So... YA: CC was as bad as it gets.
    Two dead and Patriot gone. Shitttttttttttttttttttty.

    Waste of an awesome team. It felt like Heinberg was telling us, "stop bugging me about Young Avengers."

    Then he should let another writer take over the series.

  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    I think it's just as likely that Heinberg's just not a very good writer.

    In hindsight, the original Young Avengers was predicated on a series of gimmicks, which covered up a lot of the cliches and contrivances of the story. His Wonder Woman was pretty miserable, and similarly made up of a bunch of Jeph Loeb-style gimmicks, that also plagued his Young Avengers; using popular old stories as a foundation, using several popular villains, "clever" reveals, etc.

    In retrospect, by the time he made Girl-Hawkeye's motivation for heroism a violent rape, we all should have caught onto the fact that he wasn't the most imaginative writer.

    I don't want to diminish the original Young Avengers. I liked it at the time, and I thought it set up some interesting characters. But, I have a feeling that reading it now, removed from all the events and such of the time, I'd probably be less impressed by it.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Munch wrote: »
    I think it's just as likely that Heinberg's just not a very good writer.

    In hindsight, the original Young Avengers was predicated on a series of gimmicks, which covered up a lot of the cliches and contrivances of the story. His Wonder Woman was pretty miserable, and similarly made up of a bunch of Jeph Loeb-style gimmicks, that also plagued his Young Avengers; using popular old stories as a foundation, using several popular villains, "clever" reveals, etc.

    In retrospect, by the time he made Girl-Hawkeye's motivation for heroism a violent rape, we all should have caught onto the fact that he wasn't the most imaginative writer.

    I don't want to diminish the original Young Avengers. I liked it at the time, and I thought it set up some interesting characters. But, I have a feeling that reading it now, removed from all the events and such of the time, I'd probably be less impressed by it.

    In that case he hides it better than Loeb, on Young Avengers anyway. The pages that I read on Scans Daily for CC were promising, but I haven't read the whole series. Sounds like it fell apart.

    The breaks between issues and long writing times may be a definitely reason for his comic execution failing. It certainly can't help.

    I agree making Hawkeye a rape victim was a bad idea. Which is too bad, I liked the character.

    One thing which pissed me off was how they destroyed the original Vision for Vision 2.0: Vision Harder. Heinberg should have just created a new character instead.

    Iron Lad being
    Kang
    was an excellent concept, though.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    One of the things I was worried about

    seems like Bendis is writing Dumb Hulk in Assemble despite Hulk having been pretty damn smart for quite a while now.

    Unless the Banner arc of Incredible Hulk ends with Hulk losing some IQ points, this is pretty, well, dumb.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    One of the things I was worried about

    seems like Bendis is writing Dumb Hulk in Assemble despite Hulk having been pretty damn smart for quite a while now.

    Unless the Banner arc of Incredible Hulk ends with Hulk losing some IQ points, this is pretty, well, dumb.

    I know he was smarter in Incredible Hulk but did he stop using the third person? My admittedly hazy memory of the Hulk #1 preview(I'm trade waiting) makes me think he still did that.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    He hasn't used Third Person since Loeb was writing him in Red Hulk's book and before that he didn't use it till before Planet Hulk

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    He hasn't used Third Person since Loeb was writing him in Red Hulk's book and before that he didn't use it till before Planet Hulk

    Well that is a problem then. How likely is it that Hulk will lose his intelligence?

    Cause I'll take character-rewind over Authors ignoring continuity every time.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Not super likely but still possible because the Banner arc has involved brain surgery and crazy Banner already

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    He hasn't used Third Person since Loeb was writing him in Red Hulk's book and before that he didn't use it till before Planet Hulk

    Well that is a problem then. How likely is it that Hulk will lose his intelligence?

    Cause I'll take character-rewind over Authors ignoring continuity every time.

    It isn't unusual for new writers to write Hulk reverted to his default dumb mode off-screen. That said, it's Bendis. He wants to write a dumb Hulk, he writes a dumb Hulk.

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