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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Decepticons?

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    eh, the fuck reddit stance is legit. to hell with that darn site

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    man, portland is nice. Its like eugene with taller buildings and Black People™

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    ReginaldReginald When I am Pres., I will create the Department of ______Registered User regular
    Yin the PDX permanently Anjin-San-dog?

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Weaver wrote: »
    I''m really not enjoying the blanket reddit hate. Most people just want political news or funny things to look at while wasting time at work. The deep shit, you have to actively search it out. Sure, get rid of it, but come on don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. (I hate that phrase but it is apt)

    through great lengths of critical discussion among peers I have decided that if I am in a library that allows and has knowledge of a persistant club of child porn readers, exchanging photos of children in illegal sex acts I am well within reason condemning the institution and library goers, as child porn night isn't going to go unnoticed

    I'd tell my friends not to go there, the cops been called

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Reginald wrote: »
    Yin the PDX permanently Anjin-San-dog?

    No

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
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    I

    love

    this commercial

    refresh my memory

    what was weird about this ad

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
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    I

    love

    this commercial

    refresh my memory

    what was weird about this ad

    what wasn't weird about that ad

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM

    e: specifically it's the weird uncompromising stare-into-the-camera style it's made in, the inexplicable cigarette and the all-too-explicable rapesmile at the end that get me

    ee: also that it has embedding disabled by request, what the hell herman cain

    Arang on
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    AnosognosAnosognos Who wants to play video games?Registered User regular
    I've never seen that.

    Cigarette drag + music sold it.

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Do yourself a favor, if you're ever in portland visit ground kontrol. Many great arcade classics, 25 cents for a single credit, chili dogs, nachos, liquor after 5, closes at 2:30.

    Extensive arcade, big ass pinball area, indoor lighting owns, even the tables look like tron

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I need to get to Portland some day. I've only heard good things.

    If only I had a legitimate reason...

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    (vacation, visiting me. Insult my girlfriend)

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    haha what

    dude

    see?

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    I''m really not enjoying the blanket reddit hate. Most people just want political news or funny things to look at while wasting time at work. The deep shit, you have to actively search it out. Sure, get rid of it, but come on don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. (I hate that phrase but it is apt)

    through great lengths of critical discussion among peers I have decided that if I am in a library that allows and has knowledge of a persistant club of child porn readers, exchanging photos of children in illegal sex acts I am well within reason condemning the institution and library goers, as child porn night isn't going to go unnoticed

    I'd tell my friends not to go there, the cops been called

    I think this analogy is flawed on a lot of levels! For one "allows and has knowledge" is pretty accusatory and I've never seen any real evidence to back that up. It could be argued that once it was brought to their attention, they shut it down. Also, "photos of children in illegal sex acts" does not seem to be germane? From my understanding (which is admittedly mostly second hand), the controversy was over the exchange of explicitly not illegal photos of children which were merely disgusting to all right thinking people.

    Beyond that, to assume that every person who uses a shared facility must have knowledge/association with every other single user is pretty radical. You think the people who are participating in a transgender awareness community should be demonized because they happened to start it on the same website that gross people use to trade sexualized pictures of children? That's kind of crazy, man!

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Its been documented that reddit staff has kept in contact with a proprioter of child porn

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Has it? I saw Buttlord post a screenshot of a comment, written in a comment box by the person in question, which claimed to be in a conversation between them and a reddit staff member. If that's what you're talking about, I don't really see how that's evidence? Like I said, I could claim I'm in contact with the Reddit admins but that doesn't mean it's true.

    If you're talking about something else, I'm all about documentation!

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    HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    From my observations, Reddit is everything terrible about 4chan with none of what makes 4chan compelling.

    I will freely admit that this is an opinion, and moreover, it is an opinion not really substantiated by a whole lot of time spent on Reddit itself. I've mostly judged Reddit based on its original content, not just memes but any of the things they produce creatively. I'm sure there are lots of great people on Reddit, especially because Reddit seems to see more traffic from 'socially acceptable' people than 4chan does.

    I don't wanna kill anybody. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they're from.
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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    But seriously Anjin, brass tacks

    Are the people on r/transgender who are creating a supportive community for transpeople all despicable monsters because they use the same website as gross pervs? I mean, they are redditors, and "fuck redditors", right?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Well I think there is a line to be drawn here

    Online communities are often large communities with little interaction between disparate elements. There are people who post in certain parts of the PA forums that don't post in others, as the traditional rivalry between SE++ and, well, everyone else shows. I post in GV, CF and SE++ regularly, and there are several people that don't cross over.

    But at the same time, Reddit did not simply have a problem with child pornography. It had a problem in that child pornography was accepted there by the moderators, and it had become something of a safe space for these people.

    Is it reasonable to blame all of those on Reddit for the actions of a few on sub-reddits? Of course not, I doubt that a lot of people on Reddit even knew about the kiddie porn subs. On the other hand, the community leaders themselves were implicated in the acceptance and allowance of this and other horrible sub reddits. And so I feel that one can criticise Reddit very strongly for their behaviour in this situation. It is difficult to know where to draw the line. But in this case, I feel quite strongly that Reddit is culpable for what has gone on there.

    I also feel that the backlash against the banning of these sub-reddits does not do them any favours. Sometimes it is indeed better to go quietly into the night. You do not look good when you defend the right of some neckbeard to jack off to a picture of a thirteen year old girl on holiday.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Yes, they should be, tossrock.

    If you are on a website where those things are publicly viewable, it is easy to plead ignorance but if you're using so specific as reddit or hell any website you can be spineless and shirk the idea of being informed or by golly you could recognize people purposely look away, and acknowledge it for once

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Yeah I mean people who knew about it

    and were cool with it

    they should be ashamed of themselves, and share culpability for it. We all gots responsibility, yo

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    BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    I personally just want to reboot reddit with rules from the start to stop shit like suggestive kiddie pictures. Also round those pervs up and launch them into the sun, but that's another issue all together.

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    "Yes they should be" as in, anyone who uses r/transgender is a child pornography supporter? That's an interesting position!

    Child pornographers probably use Facebook (I mean, who doesn't?); is everyone who uses Facebook a child pornography supporter? You can probably use Google to find child pornography websites; is everyone who uses Google a child pornography supporter?

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Like can we drop the insipid pretense

    Yes you're a redditor

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    No I'm not? I mean yeah I have an account, but if you want to check my comment history, you'll see that I haven't used it in months.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Tossrock wrote: »
    "Yes they should be" as in, anyone who uses r/transgender is a child pornography supporter? That's an interesting position!

    Child pornographers probably use Facebook (I mean, who doesn't?); is everyone who uses Facebook a child pornography supporter? You can probably use Google to find child pornography websites; is everyone who uses Google a child pornography supporter?

    Barring an act of god someone internet savvy enough to visit a forum is going to have to knowledge that they are not in a vacuum

    oh im sorry its eventuality of free form communication, I too can fucking play dumb

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    BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    Toss I'm not saying every person on that site is a kiddie-porn-peddler. I'm saying individuals who do look at/trade/create it should be punished. Whether they use reddit, google, or PA.

    I think reddit is just too far messed up where when one subreddit gets shut down because it is enabling kiddie porn, another 3 pop up. That's a problem with the users, admins, and the structure of reddit. I agree with you that reddit does have some good subs and can promote legit discussion, but it is unfortunately marred by the rest of the garbage.

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Anjin either you're not making sense or I am completely not understanding what you're trying to say.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    So, nothing to do with PA, but a funny story about online community and all that. Last night on facebook, a friend posted a picture of two men kissing, one was in an army uniform and it was obvious he was coming home from overseas. Someone responded "This isn't right" and a bunch of us got into an argument with him (his stance being "It makes the military I served in look sissy") after responding a few times and getting ready to rip into him I run some figures and info through my head that he has revealed about himself, then I think about his name. I then realisized that I'm suppose to interview him on Thursday for a job. I am in charge of deciding if he is hired or not. He won't be, but not because of that, because he mentioned his "felony charge" which he lied about on his application.

    Still, weird.

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Bedigunz wrote: »
    Toss I'm not saying every person on that site is a kiddie-porn-peddler. I'm saying individuals who do look at/trade/create it should be punished.

    I don't think anyone disagrees with that!
    Bedigunz wrote: »
    I think reddit is just too far messed up where when one subreddit gets shut down because it is enabling kiddie porn, another 3 pop up. That's a problem with the users, admins, and the structure of reddit.

    Or that! In fact, that's what prompted me to make this topic in the first place. Well, actually reaching 20k posts was. But anyway, discussing how communities interact and govern was the real point of this topic, but people only seem to want to talk about Reddit. How frustrating!

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    BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Tossrock wrote: »
    "Yes they should be" as in, anyone who uses r/transgender is a child pornography supporter? That's an interesting position!

    Child pornographers probably use Facebook (I mean, who doesn't?); is everyone who uses Facebook a child pornography supporter? You can probably use Google to find child pornography websites; is everyone who uses Google a child pornography supporter?

    No where in my original post did I say that anyone who uses reddit should be punished. I said people who promote kiddie porn should be punished, and it seems like a lot of them hang out in creepy sub-reddits.

    Accusing me of thinking that individuals who use the r/transgender or any of the other supportive subs are enabling horrible shit and should all be punished is insulting and offensive.

    I like you Toss, but that shit hurts.

    edit: I guess based on my wording it could be inferred that I meant everyone using reddit, but it can go either way. If you read it like that, then I apologize. If you read it the way I meant it (where the perverts and assholes in reddit should be punished and no one else) and you're still pissed at me, then I don't know what to say.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Tossrock wrote: »
    Anjin either you're not making sense or I am completely not understanding what you're trying to say.

    Playing dumb: pleading ignorance despite knowledge at hand

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    TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    Tossrock wrote: »
    Anjin either you're not making sense or I am completely not understanding what you're trying to say.

    Playing dumb: pleading ignorance despite knowledge at hand

    When I wrote that, your post read "Barring an act of god someone internet savvy enough to visit a forum" which is pretty difficult to interpet! You edited in some more which makes it somewhat more intelligible; is your position that it is unthinkable for a person to have used Reddit without knowing about the whole jailbait situation? Because I would dispute that!

    If you think I'm "playing dumb" about something else, I would invite you to dispense whatever knowledge is at hand!

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    your citation of the transgender community, like that is going to sway me.

    As for google, if they willingly collaborate and establish a rapport with child pornographers yeah we are all scum

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    Do yourself a favor, if you're ever in portland visit ground kontrol. Many great arcade classics, 25 cents for a single credit, chili dogs, nachos, liquor after 5, closes at 2:30.

    Extensive arcade, big ass pinball area, indoor lighting owns, even the tables look like tron

    We should go hit up some food trucks next time we're down that way.

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    UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    your citation of the transgender community, like that is going to sway me.

    As for google, if they willingly collaborate and establish a rapport with child pornographers yeah we are all scum

    even if the google end-user is unaware of the collaboration/rapport?

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    I am arguing that if someone is capable of using the internet, they are aware enough to realize child porn may be on the public forum they converse with people on.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Like child porn as an eventuality of that site's size is the basest form of cyber-apologism I have seen

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