I find her opinions about skipping gameplay content reprehensible. Go write movies or books, lady. Gameplay is the thing that separates video games from those two things. It is the fucking core, the life blood, the essence of the entire medium.
Reprehensible? Really?
Maybe some people really like the Mass Effect universe and want to see it play out, but never really liked the combat in the games. Are these people reprehensible?
But I buy VIDEOGAMES! This entitles me to call the people who work on them (and that I disagree with) 'cancerous' and to hope for their deaths, going so far as to look up their personal details that I may tell them myself. That is how important this is.
To be fair the woman does sound like a total buffoon, and she's in charge of writing some of the most popular games today? "Games shouldn't force you to play them! Why are you skipping dialog? WAHHHHHH".
I'm with 4chan on this one, it's funny when they put their collective effort into ruining someone/something.
She's a buffoon for making a valid point? People want the option to skip the story in story driven games, is it really a crazy idea to also have the option to skip combat in story driven games? And even if you think it's a bad idea, presenting her statement as her going "WAHHHHHH" is some pretty silly goosery.
The 4chan people like usual are being massive geese. Please don't side with them.
Seriously? It's an option. Since when are options bad? And 4chan always takes things way too far.
A lot of people have no self control and complain because options are too hard to resist.
"Why doesn't this game have perma-death? It's so easy! And there's absolutely no way I could just pretend the character died permanently and stop using them!"
"Why does this game have quick saves? Now I save and load before every major fight, and it's the game's fault for not limiting me to save in certain areas!"
Pretty much. I really liked how adding quick saves to SRPGs somehow killed the strategy, when to me it just allowed me the convenience of saving a game and coming back and playing it later.
Bioware's Jennifer Hepler vs /v/. Yeah, this is not going to end well. The amount of vitrol and hate that /v/ had for this woman is pretty pathetic.
Poor Hepler did not exactly help her case, publicly stating: "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."
ICE BURN
The worst part of it all is that these are people arguing over the narrative in a video game. It's beyond stupid. It's like arguing over which bottom tier fast food restaurant has the better and more respectable artery clogging pile of grease.
Seriously? It's an option. Since when are options bad? And 4chan always takes things way too far.
A lot of people have no self control and complain because options are too hard to resist.
"Why doesn't this game have perma-death? It's so easy! And there's absolutely no way I could just pretend the character died permanently and stop using them!"
"Why does this game have quick saves? Now I save and load before every major fight, and it's the game's fault for not limiting me to save in certain areas!"
Pretty much. I really liked how adding quick saves to SRPGs somehow killed the strategy, when to me it just allowed me the convenience of saving a game and coming back and playing it later.
Or seeing a strategy didn't work and going back and trying new ones.
Oh right I guess the only "true way" to play SRPGs is permadeath no take backsies
To be fair the woman does sound like a total buffoon, and she's in charge of writing some of the most popular games today? "Games shouldn't force you to play them! Why are you skipping dialog? WAHHHHHH".
I'm with 4chan on this one, it's funny when they put their collective effort into ruining someone/something.
She's a buffoon for making a valid point? People want the option to skip the story in story driven games, is it really a crazy idea to also have the option to skip combat in story driven games? And even if you think it's a bad idea, presenting her statement as her going "WAHHHHHH" is some pretty silly goosery.
The 4chan people like usual are being massive geese. Please don't side with them.
Didn't the "all terrible story, no action" genre bless the PS3 with a highly acclaimed entry?
I find her opinions about skipping gameplay content reprehensible. Go write movies or books, lady. Gameplay is the thing that separates video games from those two things. It is the fucking core, the life blood, the essence of the entire medium.
Reprehensible? Really?
I find it reprehensible that someone who works on video games would advocate the destruction of the one thing that makes video games better than other forms of entertainment. You take away the gameplay, and what do we got left? Stories so embarrassingly bad that even Uwe Boll doesn't treat them with respect? Yeah, let's make video games all about that!
Friendly's is an ice-cream shop that also has decent clam chowder and hot dogs. They probably serve other stuff, too, but if you're not going there for those, you're doing it wrong.
Quite frankly there are many game stories I have found well told and enjoyable, including most of Bioware's stuff. I don't buy the "video game stories suck" argument. Even the ones that eventually fall apart like GTA4 and Heavy Rain had a lot of good stuff in them.
She has every right to say whatever she wants in response to people flaming her for making a legitimate idea. Including the option to skip fights would not effect gameplay in any way/shape/form for people who decide not to use it.
I find her opinions about skipping gameplay content reprehensible. Go write movies or books, lady. Gameplay is the thing that separates video games from those two things. It is the fucking core, the life blood, the essence of the entire medium.
Reprehensible? Really?
I find it reprehensible that someone who works on video games would advocate the destruction of the one thing that makes video games better than other forms of entertainment. You take away the gameplay, and what do we got left? Stories so embarrassingly bad that even Uwe Boll doesn't treat them with respect? Yeah, let's make video games all about that!
Yeah except she isn't advocating destroying anything. She said if people want to, why shouldn't they have the option to.
Also lots of games have quite good stories. Like Mass Effect.
I find her opinions about skipping gameplay content reprehensible. Go write movies or books, lady. Gameplay is the thing that separates video games from those two things. It is the fucking core, the life blood, the essence of the entire medium.
Reprehensible? Really?
I find it reprehensible that she would destroy the one thing that makes video games better than other forms of entertainment. You take away the gameplay, and what do we got left? Stories so embarrassingly bad that even Uwe Boll doesn't treat them with respect? Yeah, let's make video games all about that!
Except...she isn't saying we destroy them. She's saying that gameplay should be optional for people who don't want it.
I know we like to go "lolvideogameplots" in here but the simple truth is that there are some people who enjoy them.
I know whenever my sister watches me play a game like Mass Effect, Final Fantasy, or Dead Space she always comments on how she would like to play but she isn't really good at games.
And I don't see any reason that you can't give those type of people something. And all the bitching about a comment like that stinks of "Well, this is how we did things back in my day! And that's how things should be!"
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Super Guide too. Those games don't even have much of a story but the option to skip levels still exists and doesn't negatively affect the gameplay.
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edited February 2012
Alright, so, specifically in the context of BioWare games, giving players the option to skip the combat makes sense. You've still got the conversation gameplay and suddenly it's an entirely different kind of game.
But in general it's a stupid fucking suggestion, and her original quote isn't in the context of BioWare games but games in general.
I saw the option for Narrative difficulty and thought that was pretty cool... Turns out people are raging over it? Jesus Christ what is wrong with the world today?
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Super Guide too. Those games don't even have much of a story but the option to skip levels still exists and doesn't negatively affect the gameplay.
Totally. If something like that can work fine in a gameplay driven game, then I see no reason why it couldn't work in a story driven game, where the concept actually makes a lot more sense.
...so other than that comment, she didn't actually do anything in Mass Effect itself that people hate, right?
She doesn't even do the writing for Mass Effect.
She works on Dragon Age.
I think part of it is just people still raging about Mass Effect adding "Story Mode, RPG Mode, and Action Mode"
And what is even funnier is that the way Hepler was talking she was moreso in favor of "Story Mode"-ish gametypes and it was the "Action Mode" that got people in a rage.
Alright, so, specifically in the context of Mass Effect, giving players the option to skip the combat makes sense. You've still got the conversation gameplay and suddenly it's an entirely different kind of game.
But in general it's a stupid fucking suggestion and her original quote isn't in the context of Mass Effect but games in general.
And what if I like the story in LA Noire/Gears of War/Assassin's Creed/Uncharted/etc but hate the gameplay? Should I go watch the LA Noire/Gears of War/Assassin's Creed/Uncharted/etc movies?
Man they did a fantastic job making the Mass Effect universe an interesting sci fi setting, I think calling it "shit stuck together" really dismisses the obvious effort put Into it.
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Exactly this.
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She's a buffoon for making a valid point? People want the option to skip the story in story driven games, is it really a crazy idea to also have the option to skip combat in story driven games? And even if you think it's a bad idea, presenting her statement as her going "WAHHHHHH" is some pretty silly goosery.
The 4chan people like usual are being massive geese. Please don't side with them.
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Pretty much. I really liked how adding quick saves to SRPGs somehow killed the strategy, when to me it just allowed me the convenience of saving a game and coming back and playing it later.
The worst part of it all is that these are people arguing over the narrative in a video game. It's beyond stupid. It's like arguing over which bottom tier fast food restaurant has the better and more respectable artery clogging pile of grease.
FRIENDLY'S HAS THE BETTER BURGER!
NO! DENNYS!
Or seeing a strategy didn't work and going back and trying new ones.
Oh right I guess the only "true way" to play SRPGs is permadeath no take backsies
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Didn't the "all terrible story, no action" genre bless the PS3 with a highly acclaimed entry?
Come on, GTAIV has an "Oscar worthy" plot. PFffffff hahaha.
but that was IGN, not rockstar or any forum.
complaining all the way through their 10th playthrough
I find it reprehensible that someone who works on video games would advocate the destruction of the one thing that makes video games better than other forms of entertainment. You take away the gameplay, and what do we got left? Stories so embarrassingly bad that even Uwe Boll doesn't treat them with respect? Yeah, let's make video games all about that!
Friendly's is an ice-cream shop that also has decent clam chowder and hot dogs. They probably serve other stuff, too, but if you're not going there for those, you're doing it wrong.
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Yeah except she isn't advocating destroying anything. She said if people want to, why shouldn't they have the option to.
Also lots of games have quite good stories. Like Mass Effect.
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Except...she isn't saying we destroy them. She's saying that gameplay should be optional for people who don't want it.
I know we like to go "lolvideogameplots" in here but the simple truth is that there are some people who enjoy them.
I know whenever my sister watches me play a game like Mass Effect, Final Fantasy, or Dead Space she always comments on how she would like to play but she isn't really good at games.
And I don't see any reason that you can't give those type of people something. And all the bitching about a comment like that stinks of "Well, this is how we did things back in my day! And that's how things should be!"
Which is silly.
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ME would have a good story if the writing and voice acting wasn't so bad.
...
Wut?
Okay, now you're just making shit up.
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Dude, seriously. Review whose side you are arguing in this matter.
Go home and think about your life.
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So did The King's Speech, The Hurt Locker, and Titanic.
It's almost as if, like video games, there are movies with good stories and movies with bad stories!
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I guess that means it has a good story then.
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But in general it's a stupid fucking suggestion, and her original quote isn't in the context of BioWare games but games in general.
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Totally. If something like that can work fine in a gameplay driven game, then I see no reason why it couldn't work in a story driven game, where the concept actually makes a lot more sense.
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She doesn't even do the writing for Mass Effect.
She works on Dragon Age.
I think part of it is just people still raging about Mass Effect adding "Story Mode, RPG Mode, and Action Mode"
And what is even funnier is that the way Hepler was talking she was moreso in favor of "Story Mode"-ish gametypes and it was the "Action Mode" that got people in a rage.
And what if I like the story in LA Noire/Gears of War/Assassin's Creed/Uncharted/etc but hate the gameplay? Should I go watch the LA Noire/Gears of War/Assassin's Creed/Uncharted/etc movies?
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Man, don't talk ill about Star Wars that way
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But she was a writer on DA2, and people get so mad about that game.
I love how people rage over things that are optional and don't change their experience gamewise at all.
You can still play Mass Effect the same way as always, and if you don't want $800 worth of optional DLC, you don't have to buy it. But no...
RAAAAAAAGE!
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