I was arguing her suggestion about removing gameplay. .
she never made this suggestion
she said there should be an option to skip gameplay
Fair enough, but that's not what video games are about.
Yeah they are. Video games are an interactive medium. Saying 'just write movies' or something isn't the same at all, viewers can't interact with a movie or affect it's outcome. There are plenty of essentially narrative only video games, just because they are more niche than space marines blowing things up it doesn't make them less viable video games. Companies can make the games they want, and consumers will buy the games they want. Your argument is the worst kind of childish patheticness that often accompanies this hobby, 'if you don't like exactly what I like you're wrong and a horrible person'.
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Fair enough, but that's not what video games are about.
Are you really arguing about what constitutes as a "video game"?
Cmon dude...
I am arguing that interactivity, gameplay, is the very essence of a video game. You take that away and what you've got is a movie.
So what? If the consumer market is paying dollars for the product, and they may pay more dollars and possibly enjoy it more if certain tedious or "not fun" gameplay segments are reduced, who the fuck are you to say "THATS WRONG AND THEYRE BAD?"
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Fair enough, but that's not what video games are about.
Are you really arguing about what constitutes as a "video game"?
Cmon dude...
I am arguing that interactivity, gameplay, is the very essence of a video game. You take that away and what you've got is a movie.
So what? If the consumer market is paying dollars for the product, and they may pay more dollars and possibly enjoy it more if certain tedious or "not fun" gameplay segments are reduced, who the fuck are you to say "THATS WRONG AND THEYRE BAD?"
I'm not casting judgement on you or anyone else who is bad at video games or doesn't like the particular gameplay of a particular game and just wants to sit through a story. My issue here is, specifically, someone who works in the video game industry voicing her willingness to undermine the one thing that makes video games better than books or movies.
Guys. GUYS. We need to stop arguing that silliness and immediately address the huge news that a beloved gaming character is coming back, namely:
The classic Dreamcast virtual pet sim Seaman will be revived on the 3DS, according to a report at the online edition of Nikkei.
In a feature about Nintendo, Nikkei mentions a plan from the company to revive other publisher's titles on the 3DS as part of a strategy to bring new strong titles to the system. The paper mentions Seaman as an example of this, but does not provide specifics.
Seaman creator Yoot Saito, who's currently making one of the four games in Level-5's Guild 01 on 3DS, hinted back in June 2010 that Seaman could appear on 3DS.
Released by Sega in 1999, Seaman caused a sensation throughout Japan and became one of the Dreamcast's best selling games.
Nikkei's mention of Seaman came as part of a general report about Nintendo's earnings and future prospects.
...then again that game didn't really contain any "gameplay" and therefore must be destroyed retroactively.
Oh, the same article mentioned that Nintendo is so doomed they're expanding:
The report also has a look at the construction grounds of Nintendo's new development studio, which is scheduled to open at the end of December 2013. Construction is taking place on the land of a former golf practice grounds. Iwata was a regular at an Italian restaurant on the second floor of the facility, and his companion was always Shigeru Miyamoto. According to Nikkei, it's at this restaurant that the two finalized the concept for the Nintendo DS.
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I bought a dreamcast over the winter break and was really sad to see copies of Seaman are expensive.
Too bad I won't buy a 3ds =[
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Because you are deathly allergic to Nintendo handhelds? :P
Fair enough, but that's not what video games are about.
Are you really arguing about what constitutes as a "video game"?
Cmon dude...
I am arguing that interactivity, gameplay, is the very essence of a video game. You take that away and what you've got is a movie.
So what? If the consumer market is paying dollars for the product, and they may pay more dollars and possibly enjoy it more if certain tedious or "not fun" gameplay segments are reduced, who the fuck are you to say "THATS WRONG AND THEYRE BAD?"
I'm not casting judgement on you or anyone else who is bad at video games or doesn't like the particular gameplay of a particular game and just wants to sit through a story. My issue here is, specifically, someone who works in the video game industry voicing her willingness to undermine the one thing that makes video games better than books or movies.
In your typical Bioware game, there is interactivity outside of combat. So if someone wants to play Mass Effect 3 as a Choose Your Own Adventure visual novel, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
And like someone else mentioned, an alternate mode that's just combat and leveling up that skips all the story & just gives you a short synopsis of the plot between levels would be cool too.
I thought about offering a story-only mode in our own games, but our games are pretty short already.
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Skipping gameplay is something that some companies have done. Metroid: Other M had a movie mode, as did Metal Gear Solid 3. But those are narratives that can be experienced within a couple of hours. The games she works on at Bioware are entirely too massive to condense into some sort of story mode. But maybe she can work on that internally in the future? I dunno. She isn't suggesting video games be done away with permanently or by force. What she's said is that she wishes you can skip gameplay elements by mashing X repeatedly, just like you can for game dialog if you choose to do so. Again, she's a writer, and she doesn't want the work she puts in to be ignored. Then again, she's still getting the paycheck and it's not like her bosses are ignoring her work.
The bottom line is, she voiced an opinion, she wants more recognition. Now in that regard, while I can understand that sentiment to some degree, that's her fucking problem, and maybe it is a weak sign of character for her to jump up in the background going "HARUMPH PEOPLE OVERLOOK MY WORK!" Hell, I don't think I've seen a music composer bitch about people who turn off the audio in a game (but then again I guess they get the Sound Test modes). But really, who gives a shit. She's not in a position to make sweeping changes overnight, let alone at all. If they do include the ability to skip the gameplay, then I seriously doubt it will come at the exclusion of gameplay itself.
Some people don't give a shit about any video game narratives. That's okay. Some people do give a shit about them. Also okay. Video games are capable of more than just the gameplay itself, there's all sorts of shit going on. It's a huge industry that involves a lot of supporting work from other industries to make some things happen (film direction, voice acting direction, music composition, etc etc etc). Yes, at the core there is gameplay, but your primary means of enjoyment doesn't mean everyone elses' is invalid to them.
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Because you are deathly allergic to Nintendo handhelds? :P
Im one of those people who hates having pockets full. I barley game on the go, and my iphone scratches that itch with game dev story. Also being a college student doesnt help.
Fair enough, but that's not what video games are about.
Are you really arguing about what constitutes as a "video game"?
Cmon dude...
I am arguing that interactivity, gameplay, is the very essence of a video game. You take that away and what you've got is a movie.
So what? If the consumer market is paying dollars for the product, and they may pay more dollars and possibly enjoy it more if certain tedious or "not fun" gameplay segments are reduced, who the fuck are you to say "THATS WRONG AND THEYRE BAD?"
I'm not casting judgement on you or anyone else who is bad at video games or doesn't like the particular gameplay of a particular game and just wants to sit through a story. My issue here is, specifically, someone who works in the video game industry voicing her willingness to undermine the one thing that makes video games better than books or movies.
In your typical Bioware game, there is interactivity outside of combat. So if someone wants to play Mass Effect 3 as a Choose Your Own Adventure visual novel, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
And like someone else mentioned, an alternate mode that's just combat and leveling up that skips all the story & just gives you a short synopsis of the plot between levels would be cool too.
I thought about offering a story-only mode in our own games, but our games are pretty short already.
I thought about offering a story-only mode in our own games, but our games are pretty short already.
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Gentlemen, I have very important news. The most important Kickstarter has begun today, possibly rivaling Double Fine's Kickstarter in importance.
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In your typical Bioware game, there is interactivity outside of combat. So if someone wants to play Mass Effect 3 as a Choose Your Own Adventure visual novel, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
Alpha Protocol would have been game of the year if there was an option to ditch the combat (well, technically Stealth&Pistol is that but it still takes time).
And like someone else mentioned, an alternate mode that's just combat and leveling up that skips all the story & just gives you a short synopsis of the plot between levels would be cool too.
Read the details. They're stepping things up to a more professional level. But that aside, it also takes time and money out of their own pocket to produce a podcast to begin with.
I'm more interested in how diverse these additional packages will get. Will movies (unrelated to the main franchise) come attached with DLC? Figures? Other outside products?
IIRC, Green Lantern on Blu-Ray came with a code for the Sinestro Corp Batman Suit in Arkham City.
Bioware's Jennifer Hepler vs /v/. Yeah, this is not going to end well. The amount of vitrol and hate that /v/ had for this woman is pretty pathetic.
While it's true that the attack on her is completely out of line, I'm not sure I trust anything written by Jim Sterling that criticizes internet trolls
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I'm just worried about the inevitable bandwagoning this will cause.
That bandwagon may already be here. But don't worry, the bandwagon will end when some high-profile Kickstarter misuses the funds or doesn't deliver to expectations by a long shot. Then people will be like "FUCK KICKSTARTERS" and it won't work anymore.
Bioware's Jennifer Hepler vs /v/. Yeah, this is not going to end well. The amount of vitrol and hate that /v/ had for this woman is pretty pathetic.
While it's true that the attack on her is completely out of line, I'm not sure I trust anything written by Jim Sterling that criticizes internet trolls
People like Jim Sterling are the reason I can never take gaming journalism serious.
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Are you really arguing about what constitutes as a "video game"?
Cmon dude...
I am arguing that interactivity, gameplay, is the very essence of a video game. You take that away and what you've got is a movie.
Yeah they are. Video games are an interactive medium. Saying 'just write movies' or something isn't the same at all, viewers can't interact with a movie or affect it's outcome. There are plenty of essentially narrative only video games, just because they are more niche than space marines blowing things up it doesn't make them less viable video games. Companies can make the games they want, and consumers will buy the games they want. Your argument is the worst kind of childish patheticness that often accompanies this hobby, 'if you don't like exactly what I like you're wrong and a horrible person'.
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Okay.
And? Some people want that. Nobody is forcing you to play it that way.
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Ever watch IFC?
Niche is not a determinant of quality.
*Note: I like some indie films, but what I'm saying is that you have your stinkers there too.
So what? If the consumer market is paying dollars for the product, and they may pay more dollars and possibly enjoy it more if certain tedious or "not fun" gameplay segments are reduced, who the fuck are you to say "THATS WRONG AND THEYRE BAD?"
I'm not casting judgement on you or anyone else who is bad at video games or doesn't like the particular gameplay of a particular game and just wants to sit through a story. My issue here is, specifically, someone who works in the video game industry voicing her willingness to undermine the one thing that makes video games better than books or movies.
http://andriasang.com/con012/seaman_3ds/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Oh my lord that's awesome. If you don't know why that's awesome, check this out:
...then again that game didn't really contain any "gameplay" and therefore must be destroyed retroactively.
Oh, the same article mentioned that Nintendo is so doomed they're expanding:
Too bad I won't buy a 3ds =[
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In your typical Bioware game, there is interactivity outside of combat. So if someone wants to play Mass Effect 3 as a Choose Your Own Adventure visual novel, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
And like someone else mentioned, an alternate mode that's just combat and leveling up that skips all the story & just gives you a short synopsis of the plot between levels would be cool too.
I thought about offering a story-only mode in our own games, but our games are pretty short already.
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The bottom line is, she voiced an opinion, she wants more recognition. Now in that regard, while I can understand that sentiment to some degree, that's her fucking problem, and maybe it is a weak sign of character for her to jump up in the background going "HARUMPH PEOPLE OVERLOOK MY WORK!" Hell, I don't think I've seen a music composer bitch about people who turn off the audio in a game (but then again I guess they get the Sound Test modes). But really, who gives a shit. She's not in a position to make sweeping changes overnight, let alone at all. If they do include the ability to skip the gameplay, then I seriously doubt it will come at the exclusion of gameplay itself.
Some people don't give a shit about any video game narratives. That's okay. Some people do give a shit about them. Also okay. Video games are capable of more than just the gameplay itself, there's all sorts of shit going on. It's a huge industry that involves a lot of supporting work from other industries to make some things happen (film direction, voice acting direction, music composition, etc etc etc). Yes, at the core there is gameplay, but your primary means of enjoyment doesn't mean everyone elses' is invalid to them.
Im one of those people who hates having pockets full. I barley game on the go, and my iphone scratches that itch with game dev story. Also being a college student doesnt help.
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Holy crap are you serious.
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Ah, so she's already implemented her "gameplay is optional" plan.
Ba dump-bump!
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Man have you played those games? If anything their biggest problem is there is too much combat between story events.
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Alpha Protocol would have been game of the year if there was an option to ditch the combat (well, technically Stealth&Pistol is that but it still takes time).
Grandia II would have been vastly improved.
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
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Wow, two thirds of the way to their modest goal already.
That reminds me... the Double Fine kickstarter has hit two million.
I think we're discovering that Kickstarters are very much a smash success to anything / anyone that's a cult or sleeper success.
Defining any deeper that that gets you genres of video games.
That right there? That's a video game. Don't like it? Then you think your favourite genre is super special. That's your problem to deal with.
30k for a podcast?
Read the details. They're stepping things up to a more professional level. But that aside, it also takes time and money out of their own pocket to produce a podcast to begin with.
IIRC, Green Lantern on Blu-Ray came with a code for the Sinestro Corp Batman Suit in Arkham City.
That bandwagon may already be here. But don't worry, the bandwagon will end when some high-profile Kickstarter misuses the funds or doesn't deliver to expectations by a long shot. Then people will be like "FUCK KICKSTARTERS" and it won't work anymore.
People like Jim Sterling are the reason I can never take gaming journalism serious.