Ive been playing more ranked and diggin myself out of >1000 elo finally with jungle/top riven.
Just wanted to ask quick what your jungle routes were. I basically start with dorans blade go wraiths then red. Quick gank/gank invade jungle gank all day pretty much. Farm up to double bts/guardian and win games.
My biggest problem with riven right now is i don't buy wriggles and therefore don't ward as much as my other junglers.
Also is it better to go half half on runes with ad and arpen or just full AD. Right now Im doing half and its been working well.
Just buy Wriggles
Full AD on Riven always
I tend to do a Vamp start, although sometimes Boots+3.
Doesn't really matter where you start. Generally depends on what the enemy jungler is likely to do. I actually tend to just run the Wolves->Blue route 'cause I want to get the early levels and farm moreso then the gank, but that also might depend on what team you're on.
Ive been playing more ranked and diggin myself out of >1000 elo finally with jungle/top riven.
Just wanted to ask quick what your jungle routes were. I basically start with dorans blade go wraiths then red. Quick gank/gank invade jungle gank all day pretty much. Farm up to double bts/guardian and win games.
My biggest problem with riven right now is i don't buy wriggles and therefore don't ward as much as my other junglers.
Also is it better to go half half on runes with ad and arpen or just full AD. Right now Im doing half and its been working well.
Just buy Wriggles
Full AD on Riven always
I tend to do a Vamp start, although sometimes Boots+3.
Doesn't really matter where you start. Generally depends on what the enemy jungler is likely to do. I actually tend to just run the Wolves->Blue route 'cause I want to get the early levels and farm moreso then the gank, but that also might depend on what team you're on.
Yeah, I used to do vamp start or boots start and go wolves, steal wraiths then gank. Ive also done the wriggles route and am just debating whether its worth getting the wriggles or just getting 2-3 dorans into bt for maximum mid game pwnage.
I guess it also depends on what side i start with since after red ganking mid is ideal but i only have the option to gank top quickly when i start as purple.
A quick gank on bot usually doesn't work so I don't even bother.
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I used to try for a quick gank buy the penalty for failing is so high. You lose considerable farm time, and if the enemy jungle is paying attention, possibly a buff
I found two things recently that drastically increased my enjoyment of solo q:
1: I rediscovered where I'd put all the Touhou soundtracks. For me they're the perfect 'I'm just going to lean back and have a nice, good time interspersed with bouts of extreme frustration' songs.
2: I decided to play my own game. I.E, what the team does is less important than what I do and they damn well better sort themselves out according to my schdule. Since I'm the jungler it works out pretty well. Of course, 'my own game' does not mean 'selfish bastard', it means I play the game as well as I can within the role I've chosen and disregard what others are doing. As long as my game is good, I couldn't care less what everyone else is doing. Mid got blue then died right away? Well, I did my part as a jungler, now I'll just pop by mid and pick up my teams blue buff again. And so on. I try to avoid Support, as I find it harder to do my own thing with that role (unless I'm Nunu) and I prefer to play one of the people doing the damages, rather than the heal dispenser* :P
*I'm not ignorant of what a good support brings to the table. I'm just not one of those, and have no inclinations towards becoming one.
And so on. I try to avoid Support, as I find it harder to do my own thing with that role (unless I'm Nunu) and I prefer to play one of the people doing the damages, rather than the heal dispenser* :P
Support is definitely harder to do your own thing. I main support and will not play it for randoms in queues.
Also, I object to being a called a heal dispenser. There's no rule that says you have to play Soraka if you want to support.. Some of the supports I play don't even have heals (Leona, Nunu, Janna), and for the ones that do, I almost always level it second or last (Taric, Sona, Alistar).
I definitely agree though, playing support isn't a good way to win in solo queue.
Luckily, a good support can help in a ton w/ a decent team
I just find if i gank early and often as Riven it makes the enemy team more passive and less likely to commit in lane to kill my teammates. Also I been maxing Q first then W second for pure deeps lately and its been working wonders. Although I think Id max Q then E if I was solo top.
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And so on. I try to avoid Support, as I find it harder to do my own thing with that role (unless I'm Nunu) and I prefer to play one of the people doing the damages, rather than the heal dispenser* :P
Support is definitely harder to do your own thing. I main support and will not play it for randoms in queues.
Also, I object to being a called a heal dispenser. There's no rule that says you have to play Soraka if you want to support.. Some of the supports I play don't even have heals (Leona, Nunu, Janna), and for the ones that do, I almost always level it second or last (Taric, Sona, Alistar).
I definitely agree though, playing support isn't a good way to win in solo queue.
Luckily, a good support can help in a ton w/ a decent team
Oh, I agree with you. I mainly play Sona, Janna and Nunu support when in premades sometimes and that's quite fun. Like, when I play with the university team, most of whom are 1400+ ELO, it's nice to be support since I get carried so incredibly hard, while waltzing about the map and being useful with auras and buffs and wards and stuff. It's fun when with good people on vent as they'll just tell me what they need, like graves going 'Shield me' and gibbing their carry, that's amusing. But with strangers, no.
E: And I don't own Soraka precisely because she's boring (for me) to play, so I don't want to be in a situation where I have to play her.
Edit - Also, someone was talking about how good triforce was on Sivir earlier in the thread, but didn't elaborate. Is it good? It doesn't feel like it's worth the cost, and I would love some input.
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Sheen proc on Ricochet = good burst, it has a bunch of stats on there she wants, Phage proc helps make her one of the best chasers, and there's MANA ON IT which will help a bunch too.
Edit - Also, someone was talking about how good triforce was on Sivir earlier in the thread, but didn't elaborate. Is it good? It doesn't feel like it's worth the cost, and I would love some input.
3F would probably eat a Phantom Dancer spot. That's 25% less AS, 15% less Crit, and 3% less MS for 30AP (15 damage per Q), 30AD, 250HP and mana, and the Sheen effect (75dps with maxed out W).
15% less crit is negligible if you're not running an Infinity Edge, but that's a big thing if you are. The reduced AS wouldn't be worth it if it weren't for her ult and her W resetting her auto attacks. The HP and mana is negligible past level ~13, but very good before that. The Sheen proc is great, and the Phage proc is kind meh on Sivir.
It's a great item to buy if you get super fed around level 8, but past that it's kinda junk on her in the late game.
The thing with AD carries is that Attack Speed, Crit Chance, Attack Damage, and Armor Pen all multiply off eachother, meaning that late game they are so much better stats then anything else as to make it negligible. Triforce is you hoping to win early because a lot of the time late game it isn't even worth it to use some of an AD carries abilities.
I've had a lot of success running sona in solo queue, it took me from like 1100 to 1200 in two nights.
But it burnt me out, and I think I've only supported once since. I could main support and probably jump higher, but ugh. It hurts to watch a lane partner miss like half of their CS, but not want to take them because she could have gotten it, and just didn't.
I am starting to feel like I'm a decent player though, and my biggest things are the little ones. I ward regardless of role(though I need to do it more still), secure buffs or help the right person secure, correctly target, don't overextend usually. But I'll make dumb moves in team fights, or go for a kill and misjudge the situation, etc. After every game now, win or lose, I just ask myself what I could have done better, regardless of who did well, who fed, etc.
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
Edit - Also, someone was talking about how good triforce was on Sivir earlier in the thread, but didn't elaborate. Is it good? It doesn't feel like it's worth the cost, and I would love some input.
3F would probably eat a Phantom Dancer spot. That's 25% less AS, 15% less Crit, and 3% less MS for 30AP (15 damage per Q), 30AD, 250HP and mana, and the Sheen effect (75dps with maxed out W).
15% less crit is negligible if you're not running an Infinity Edge, but that's a big thing if you are. The reduced AS wouldn't be worth it if it weren't for her ult and her W resetting her auto attacks. The HP and mana is negligible past level ~13, but very good before that. The Sheen proc is great, and the Phage proc is kind meh on Sivir.
It's a great item to buy if you get super fed around level 8, but past that it's kinda junk on her in the late game.
Thank you! And that matches my feelings on the item. Maybe if W proc'd on every hit, not just the first, it would be better for her.
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
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"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
You just have to play better, man.
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
You just have to play better, man.
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
Actually, he had doublebuff and razor, while I only had vamp scepter and I ran into him at his double golems. And decided to stand and fight to see what would happen...
It's weird I don't have more losses in my match history, since every single game I've played lately have been dominated by "Hmm, what will happen if I attack this guy?" But since I pla y Shyv or WW, it usually comes down to 'Oh, I killed him. And his friends.', 'trololololol, can't catch dragons', or 'ok, 3 people can kill me. But I got two of them so it's fine.'
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
You just have to play better, man.
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
Actually, he had doublebuff and razor, while I only had vamp scepter and I ran into him at his double golems. And decided to stand and fight to see what would happen...
It's weird I don't have more losses in my match history, since every single game I've played lately have been dominated by "Hmm, what will happen if I attack this guy?" But since I pla y Shyv or WW, it usually comes down to 'Oh, I killed him. And his friends.', 'trololololol, can't catch dragons', or 'ok, 3 people can kill me. But I got two of them so it's fine.'
Spectrum was also referencing a post made by a different member of the forums. +1 to Spectrum.
And the fact that you went toe-toe with a double buff Udyr is ballsy.
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
You just have to play better, man.
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
Actually, he had doublebuff and razor, while I only had vamp scepter and I ran into him at his double golems. And decided to stand and fight to see what would happen...
It's weird I don't have more losses in my match history, since every single game I've played lately have been dominated by "Hmm, what will happen if I attack this guy?" But since I pla y Shyv or WW, it usually comes down to 'Oh, I killed him. And his friends.', 'trololololol, can't catch dragons', or 'ok, 3 people can kill me. But I got two of them so it's fine.'
Spectrum was also referencing a post made by a different member of the forums. +1 to Spectrum.
And the fact that you went toe-toe with a double buff Udyr is ballsy.
Oh yeah, lol. Wine and injokes don't go together. If there was a bush there I might have won, maybe.
I had to try it! And I'll keep trying it. Because I'm a dragon, dammit.
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
You just have to play better, man.
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
Actually, he had doublebuff and razor, while I only had vamp scepter and I ran into him at his double golems. And decided to stand and fight to see what would happen...
It's weird I don't have more losses in my match history, since every single game I've played lately have been dominated by "Hmm, what will happen if I attack this guy?" But since I pla y Shyv or WW, it usually comes down to 'Oh, I killed him. And his friends.', 'trololololol, can't catch dragons', or 'ok, 3 people can kill me. But I got two of them so it's fine.'
Spectrum was also referencing a post made by a different member of the forums. +1 to Spectrum.
And the fact that you went toe-toe with a double buff Udyr is ballsy.
Oh yeah, lol. Wine and injokes don't go together. If there was a bush there I might have won, maybe.
I had to try it! And I'll keep trying it. Because I'm a dragon, dammit.
So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
Flat AD reds, MPen reds
Flat Armor yellows, scaling MP5 yellows
Flat MR blues, scaling AP blues
Flat AD quints, flat AP quints
Those will let you jungle pretty well, and run 90% of champions with no problems. They're not ideal for support, though.
Supported the shit out of the opposing Singed. Please, fling me into your minion blob! I want to pop a Mantra'd shield in your face and then casually toss a Mantra'd Heavenly Wave over my shoulder while heading back to my side, with you at half health and my shield not worn off yet!
Alright, the second half you listed (MP red, MP5 scaling yellow, scaling AP blue, and flat AP quints) is what I built already, so that's good. I'll get that other set you said, it looks good. Thanks!
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So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
Flat AD reds, MPen reds
Flat Armor yellows, scaling MP5 yellows
Flat MR blues, scaling AP blues
Flat AD quints, flat AP quints
Those will let you jungle pretty well, and run 90% of champions with no problems. They're not ideal for support, though.
Throw in GP10 quints, HP regen quints, and armor quints to round that out and you're pretty much good. Flat AS reds on some characters also, but that's starting to break into specifics.
So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
Flat AD reds, MPen reds
Flat Armor yellows, scaling MP5 yellows
Flat MR blues, scaling AP blues
Flat AD quints, flat AP quints
Those will let you jungle pretty well, and run 90% of champions with no problems. They're not ideal for support, though.
Throw in GP10 quints, HP regen quints, and armor quints to round that out and you're pretty much good. Flat AS reds on some characters also, but that's starting to break into specifics.
MR/level blues are good too. I use those whenever I'm not up against an AP in lane.
So, guys, I'm having trouble finding a good Runes guide. I'm not swimming in IP so I try to be careful about what I buy, but I only have an AP set and I don't even know if that is good, so I went looking for a guide, couldn't find a good one.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
Flat AD reds, MPen reds
Flat Armor yellows, scaling MP5 yellows
Flat MR blues, scaling AP blues
Flat AD quints, flat AP quints
Those will let you jungle pretty well, and run 90% of champions with no problems. They're not ideal for support, though.
Throw in GP10 quints, HP regen quints, and armor quints to round that out and you're pretty much good. Flat AS reds on some characters also, but that's starting to break into specifics.
How can the GP10 quints help? With all 3, it's 3GP10, so that 18 per minute. 180 per ten, and so in a half hour game you only get 540 gold. That doesn't seem like enough to give up the 15 AP you could have had for the whole game.
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Full AD on Riven always
I tend to do a Vamp start, although sometimes Boots+3.
Doesn't really matter where you start. Generally depends on what the enemy jungler is likely to do. I actually tend to just run the Wolves->Blue route 'cause I want to get the early levels and farm moreso then the gank, but that also might depend on what team you're on.
Yeah, I used to do vamp start or boots start and go wolves, steal wraiths then gank. Ive also done the wriggles route and am just debating whether its worth getting the wriggles or just getting 2-3 dorans into bt for maximum mid game pwnage.
I guess it also depends on what side i start with since after red ganking mid is ideal but i only have the option to gank top quickly when i start as purple.
A quick gank on bot usually doesn't work so I don't even bother.
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1: I rediscovered where I'd put all the Touhou soundtracks. For me they're the perfect 'I'm just going to lean back and have a nice, good time interspersed with bouts of extreme frustration' songs.
2: I decided to play my own game. I.E, what the team does is less important than what I do and they damn well better sort themselves out according to my schdule. Since I'm the jungler it works out pretty well. Of course, 'my own game' does not mean 'selfish bastard', it means I play the game as well as I can within the role I've chosen and disregard what others are doing. As long as my game is good, I couldn't care less what everyone else is doing. Mid got blue then died right away? Well, I did my part as a jungler, now I'll just pop by mid and pick up my teams blue buff again. And so on. I try to avoid Support, as I find it harder to do my own thing with that role (unless I'm Nunu) and I prefer to play one of the people doing the damages, rather than the heal dispenser* :P
*I'm not ignorant of what a good support brings to the table. I'm just not one of those, and have no inclinations towards becoming one.
Support is definitely harder to do your own thing. I main support and will not play it for randoms in queues.
Also, I object to being a called a heal dispenser. There's no rule that says you have to play Soraka if you want to support.. Some of the supports I play don't even have heals (Leona, Nunu, Janna), and for the ones that do, I almost always level it second or last (Taric, Sona, Alistar).
I definitely agree though, playing support isn't a good way to win in solo queue.
Luckily, a good support can help in a ton w/ a decent team
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Oh, I agree with you. I mainly play Sona, Janna and Nunu support when in premades sometimes and that's quite fun. Like, when I play with the university team, most of whom are 1400+ ELO, it's nice to be support since I get carried so incredibly hard, while waltzing about the map and being useful with auras and buffs and wards and stuff. It's fun when with good people on vent as they'll just tell me what they need, like graves going 'Shield me' and gibbing their carry, that's amusing. But with strangers, no.
E: And I don't own Soraka precisely because she's boring (for me) to play, so I don't want to be in a situation where I have to play her.
Same. Sent me running back to normals really quickly. But now I'm almost back to where I was and the fear is gone.
Have you tried a long sword or cloth armor + pots?
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Edit - Also, someone was talking about how good triforce was on Sivir earlier in the thread, but didn't elaborate. Is it good? It doesn't feel like it's worth the cost, and I would love some input.
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3F would probably eat a Phantom Dancer spot. That's 25% less AS, 15% less Crit, and 3% less MS for 30AP (15 damage per Q), 30AD, 250HP and mana, and the Sheen effect (75dps with maxed out W).
15% less crit is negligible if you're not running an Infinity Edge, but that's a big thing if you are. The reduced AS wouldn't be worth it if it weren't for her ult and her W resetting her auto attacks. The HP and mana is negligible past level ~13, but very good before that. The Sheen proc is great, and the Phage proc is kind meh on Sivir.
It's a great item to buy if you get super fed around level 8, but past that it's kinda junk on her in the late game.
Also, Tiamat is legitimately a good item on her. If the team clusters wrong they are dead.
My build on her is Wriggle's, Merc, Black Cleaver, Tiamat x2, Vitality Stone OR Frozen.
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But it burnt me out, and I think I've only supported once since. I could main support and probably jump higher, but ugh. It hurts to watch a lane partner miss like half of their CS, but not want to take them because she could have gotten it, and just didn't.
I am starting to feel like I'm a decent player though, and my biggest things are the little ones. I ward regardless of role(though I need to do it more still), secure buffs or help the right person secure, correctly target, don't overextend usually. But I'll make dumb moves in team fights, or go for a kill and misjudge the situation, etc. After every game now, win or lose, I just ask myself what I could have done better, regardless of who did well, who fed, etc.
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Er, Kindlegem.
Also, wish I could find the link on the forums, but the more I think about it the more I like the idea for a Astronautilus skin.
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Cloth/Boots->Wriggles
Boots2 of choice (ideally Zerker's)
(Hexdrinker)
Phage
Zeal
(Vamp)
(Chain Vest)
finish FM and PD
(finish Atma's)
finish BT
Usually level W first for free stats
"If you aren't sure if something you want to try will work, try it. If you think it didn't work because of the situation, try it again. Only by trying things in different situations are you going to know if something works. Don't stop because it didn't work once. Eventually you will really know if something works or not and it will turn into "You have been slain" to "You have slain an enemy"."
I'm paraphrasing, but the man had a great point. You'll never really know the limits of your champ if you don't take risks and put yourself in bad situations. Playing safe all the time will only get you so far. He even said something about diving two towers to get a kill if you have to, cause then you'll know next time what you need to kill someone running away.
Thank you! And that matches my feelings on the item. Maybe if W proc'd on every hit, not just the first, it would be better for her.
This. This so much. It's why I keep building BC on Shyv if I don't think I need more tankiness. The only way to know if you can do something is by doing it.
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have slain an enemy!'
"Oh hey, there's an enemy Udyr in the jungle" 'You have been slain.'
OK, what was different? Why could I kill the first one, but not the second one?
Like, who cares that the second Udyr had red buff, just play better
Actually, he had doublebuff and razor, while I only had vamp scepter and I ran into him at his double golems. And decided to stand and fight to see what would happen...
It's weird I don't have more losses in my match history, since every single game I've played lately have been dominated by "Hmm, what will happen if I attack this guy?" But since I pla y Shyv or WW, it usually comes down to 'Oh, I killed him. And his friends.', 'trololololol, can't catch dragons', or 'ok, 3 people can kill me. But I got two of them so it's fine.'
Spectrum was also referencing a post made by a different member of the forums. +1 to Spectrum.
And the fact that you went toe-toe with a double buff Udyr is ballsy.
Oh yeah, lol. Wine and injokes don't go together. If there was a bush there I might have won, maybe.
I had to try it! And I'll keep trying it. Because I'm a dragon, dammit.
the funny thing is people think mid nocturne sucks because "he pushes the lane abloo abloo"
who cares, nocturne is practically immune to ganks
Yes! Try to eat EVERYTHING.
Any suggestions?
IMHO, (correct type penetration or Flat AD)/Flat armor / flat MR / Flat HP is good on every champ in the game, even if not hyper optimized on some champs. I use that on almost every non-jungle I play.
Flat AD reds, MPen reds
Flat Armor yellows, scaling MP5 yellows
Flat MR blues, scaling AP blues
Flat AD quints, flat AP quints
Those will let you jungle pretty well, and run 90% of champions with no problems. They're not ideal for support, though.
Supported the shit out of the opposing Singed. Please, fling me into your minion blob! I want to pop a Mantra'd shield in your face and then casually toss a Mantra'd Heavenly Wave over my shoulder while heading back to my side, with you at half health and my shield not worn off yet!
MR/level blues are good too. I use those whenever I'm not up against an AP in lane.
How can the GP10 quints help? With all 3, it's 3GP10, so that 18 per minute. 180 per ten, and so in a half hour game you only get 540 gold. That doesn't seem like enough to give up the 15 AP you could have had for the whole game.