Wow, I really had trouble with the Collector ship on hardcore as a vanguard. I've pretty much been cruising up to this point, but I really struggled with that.
Also, do NOT like the Krogun. Eviscerator err' day.
Getting worried about finishing this ME2 run before March 6.
Yeah I don't like the krogun much either, Eviscerator was perfectly fine
but I think the church of vanguard might lynch me for it
We'll see how happy you are when the Reapers upload a mixed number into their neural net and they suddently decide to drop a few dozen dreadnought rounds into your next of kin's face.
Rachni and Geth are at too great a risk for 'flip switch' indoctrination, traditional organics have to be taken over slowly. Those two whole swaths of their population can be rewritten at will. Kill em all.
We'll see how happy you are when the Reapers upload a mixed number into their neural net and they suddently decide to drop a few dozen dreadnought rounds into your next of kin's face.
Rachni and Geth are at too great a risk for 'flip switch' indoctrination, traditional organics have to be taken over slowly. Those two whole swaths of their population can be rewritten at will. Kill em all.
And then when my Rachni and Geth allies help me save the galaxy
I will never stop laughing at you
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Wow, I really had trouble with the Collector ship on hardcore as a vanguard. I've pretty much been cruising up to this point, but I really struggled with that.
Also, do NOT like the Krogun. Eviscerator err' day.
Getting worried about finishing this ME2 run before March 6.
Yeah I don't like the krogun much either, Eviscerator was perfectly fine
but I think the church of vanguard might lynch me for it
Honestly, it's kind of hard to deal with unless you master the reload trick; the long reload time can be a bitch.
With the reload trick though? Shooting men in the face all day long with a weapon that has recoil fit to break bones.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
It's not the nice thing. It's the "Follow the rules" thing.
Honestly though, like the genophage option
It's a situation where you need four options. Because your decision there can be based on paragon or renegade ideals and get either result.
Death is better than slavery: Paragon
I'm not risking anything, kill them: Renegade
Killing them would be wrong...we're only showing them the right path: Paragon
We can't afford to make corpses when we could be making allies to use against the Reapers: Renegade
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
As a person I think I would not be super opposed to my enemies brainwashing me into thinking that killing them is a bad idea
Especially if they nicely let me be aware that I've been brainwashed and leave me able to decide to kill them any time I like
Beats dyin'
E: Anyways Legion made the decision. What was the result of his internal argument? 681 for brainwashing, 680 for termination? Majority rules, no time for a recount.
what complicates it for me is that at some point on the loyalty mission, Legion states that it's not so much brainwashing as it is presenting them with a really really good argument
yep, the distinction lies in the fact that the geth can walk away at any time. they aren't forced to be anti-reaper.
however, they're already predisposed to assholism so I kill them every time. I don't want to risk them corrupting some of the BroGeth.
what complicates it for me is that at some point on the loyalty mission, Legion states that it's not so much brainwashing as it is presenting them with a really really good argument
Yes this exactly. You can't compare organic ethics to synthetic dilemmas. What makes me love the geth in me2 is how bioware expertly tackles the sorts of philosophic decisions and problems that true ai presents. They don't waste time having legion walking up to shepard and being like
Tell me...what is love? They look at things like how would they make decisions, how would they govern themselves, how would they process something like ethics or even a basic right/wrong dichotomy.
The virus isn't brainwashing, it's a mathmatical argument that shows the heretics what's wrong with their thinking. Legion even says later that the heretics would recuse themselves for a time and deliberate on how to proceed. They can still choose the reaper path, but they at least are given a very persuavive perspective (which is the huge thing in geth decision making).
Not to mention that the geth are the first (the non-heretics anyway) to reject the reapers and want to travel down their own technological path.
Also if you hit reload on at least the viper in MP and then immediately hit heavy melee, you'll have a round loaded waiting for you
I haven't tried it with the krogun yet
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
what complicates it for me is that at some point on the loyalty mission, Legion states that it's not so much brainwashing as it is presenting them with a really really good argument
Yes this exactly. You can't compare organic ethics to synthetic dilemmas. What makes me love the geth in me2 is how bioware expertly tackles the sorts of philosophic decisions and problems that true ai presents. They don't waste time having legion walking up to shepard and being like
Tell me...what is love? They look at things like how would they make decisions, how would they govern themselves, how would they process something like ethics or even a basic right/wrong dichotomy.
The virus isn't brainwashing, it's a mathmatical argument that shows the heretics what's wrong with their thinking. Legion even says later that the heretics would recuse themselves for a time and deliberate on how to proceed. They can still choose the reaper path, but they at least are given a very persuavive perspective (which is the huge thing in geth decision making).
Not to mention that the geth are the first (the non-heretics anyway) to reject the reapers and want to travel down their own technological path.
The geth are just really, really well done.
Yeah, part of the reason that I love the Geth so much is that they are written incredibly well, and with a lot more subtlety and dramatic flair than most sci-fi AI races.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Guys, put the discussion about the ending to Legion's loyalty in spoilers. I know most everyone has played it...but still. Label em and spoiler em!
Legion Loyalty:
It's a virus. It's basically like brainwashing. Legion says that it will 'correct' a faulty logic equation that led them to follow the reapers. It is straight up unethical by his standards, which is why he is split between killing them and using the virus. He's split half and half, seeing that on the one hand, they'd be dead, on the other hand, they might as well be dead.
He says sure, we are correcting their thinking with a virus, but we are changing fundamentally who they are.
But hey, those dick ass fuckers were gonna use it against Legion and his bros, so fuck those heretics. BRAIN WASH THEM PUT EM ON THE FRONT LINES
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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BugBoyboy.EXE has stopped functioning.only bugs remainRegistered Userregular
I brainwashed them, but I'd kill them if I ever played it again
kill all geth
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Shepard in that jacket (coming soon to a store near you) looks like he should be promising Vega that he can be his wing man anytime
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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Baroque And RollEvery spark of friendship and loveWill die without a homeRegistered Userregular
indoctrinated against the geth motherfuckers itt
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BugBoyboy.EXE has stopped functioning.only bugs remainRegistered Userregular
Shepard in that jacket (coming soon to a store near you) looks like he should be promising Vega that he can be his wing man anytime
I regret to inform you I beat you to that joke by approximately 8 minutes.
There are still many Top Gun jokes left unclaimed if you want them.
You are DEAD to me sir
Also it's going to be really tragic when Shep tries to eat food off of Tali's stomach and she has a massive allergic reaction
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Guys, put the discussion about the ending to Legion's loyalty in spoilers. I know most everyone has played it...but still. Label em and spoiler em!
Legion Loyalty:
It's a virus. It's basically like brainwashing. Legion says that it will 'correct' a faulty logic equation that led them to follow the reapers. It is straight up unethical by his standards, which is why he is split between killing them and using the virus. He's split half and half, seeing that on the one hand, they'd be dead, on the other hand, they might as well be dead.
He says sure, we are correcting their thinking with a virus, but we are changing fundamentally who they are.
But hey, those dick ass fuckers were gonna use it against Legion and his bros, so fuck those heretics. BRAIN WASH THEM PUT EM ON THE FRONT LINES
I really had trouble with this decision
I think after some deliberation I ended up killing them as a result of ,oddly, showing respect for them as creatures with the freedom to choose..Which didn't seem like it was my place (apparently I was alright with killing them though, huh?) Which yeah doesn't quite sound right.. haha
Granted if the person in question is on a destructive path and you are gonna bring them on brighter path (potentially) .. Well "brain washing" doesn't sound so bad...
Wow, I really had trouble with the Collector ship on hardcore as a vanguard. I've pretty much been cruising up to this point, but I really struggled with that.
Also, do NOT like the Krogun. Eviscerator err' day.
Getting worried about finishing this ME2 run before March 6.
Yeah I don't like the krogun much either, Eviscerator was perfectly fine
but I think the church of vanguard might lynch me for it
No way man I rolled Eviscerator on my Insanity Vanguard playthrough too.
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Yeah I don't like the krogun much either, Eviscerator was perfectly fine
but I think the church of vanguard might lynch me for it
after i went through the baptism by fire that is the object rho fight on insanity, i learned to love it
the other day i actually reloaded an earlier save and replayed a chunk of the game again just to take it out for a roll
every
geth
so that no-good pharezon's gotten to you too, huh
We'll see how happy you are when the Reapers upload a mixed number into their neural net and they suddently decide to drop a few dozen dreadnought rounds into your next of kin's face.
Rachni and Geth are at too great a risk for 'flip switch' indoctrination, traditional organics have to be taken over slowly. Those two whole swaths of their population can be rewritten at will. Kill em all.
this is all me, baby
But he had to use his AK.
I will never stop laughing at you
Honestly, it's kind of hard to deal with unless you master the reload trick; the long reload time can be a bitch.
With the reload trick though? Shooting men in the face all day long with a weapon that has recoil fit to break bones.
and then the reapers say hey thanks for the reinforcements and they snap their fingers and both of the bad guy aliens become bad guys again
and then an NPC looks at you and looks back to his console, muttering "thanks for being such a nice guy, shepard"
Is somehow the 'nice' thing
It's not the nice thing. It's the "Follow the rules" thing.
Honestly though, like the genophage option
Death is better than slavery: Paragon
I'm not risking anything, kill them: Renegade
Killing them would be wrong...we're only showing them the right path: Paragon
We can't afford to make corpses when we could be making allies to use against the Reapers: Renegade
Especially if they nicely let me be aware that I've been brainwashed and leave me able to decide to kill them any time I like
Beats dyin'
E: Anyways Legion made the decision. What was the result of his internal argument? 681 for brainwashing, 680 for termination? Majority rules, no time for a recount.
Down with Dichotomy
http://www.audioentropy.com/
yep, the distinction lies in the fact that the geth can walk away at any time. they aren't forced to be anti-reaper.
however, they're already predisposed to assholism so I kill them every time. I don't want to risk them corrupting some of the BroGeth.
I would like to buy one.
Yes this exactly. You can't compare organic ethics to synthetic dilemmas. What makes me love the geth in me2 is how bioware expertly tackles the sorts of philosophic decisions and problems that true ai presents. They don't waste time having legion walking up to shepard and being like
Tell me...what is love? They look at things like how would they make decisions, how would they govern themselves, how would they process something like ethics or even a basic right/wrong dichotomy.
The virus isn't brainwashing, it's a mathmatical argument that shows the heretics what's wrong with their thinking. Legion even says later that the heretics would recuse themselves for a time and deliberate on how to proceed. They can still choose the reaper path, but they at least are given a very persuavive perspective (which is the huge thing in geth decision making).
Not to mention that the geth are the first (the non-heretics anyway) to reject the reapers and want to travel down their own technological path.
The geth are just really, really well done.
I haven't tried it with the krogun yet
that is pretty cool
better than pretty much all of the captain's outfits in ME2
I like how Shepard declares that he is a special forces commander everywhere he goes, even when off duty
Biker Shepard!
Legion Loyalty:
He says sure, we are correcting their thinking with a virus, but we are changing fundamentally who they are.
But hey, those dick ass fuckers were gonna use it against Legion and his bros, so fuck those heretics. BRAIN WASH THEM PUT EM ON THE FRONT LINES
kill all geth
Who would want to live on a Playstation 3 save file anyway.
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jack shepard begs for death
I regret to inform you I beat you to that joke by approximately 8 minutes.
There are still many Top Gun jokes left unclaimed if you want them.
You are DEAD to me sir
Also it's going to be really tragic when Shep tries to eat food off of Tali's stomach and she has a massive allergic reaction
I really had trouble with this decision
Granted if the person in question is on a destructive path and you are gonna bring them on brighter path (potentially) .. Well "brain washing" doesn't sound so bad...
Still conflicted about that.
No way man I rolled Eviscerator on my Insanity Vanguard playthrough too.
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