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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    Well, it makes sense for what Tolkien was trying to do, which as far as I know was essentially a symbolic tale of how English culture is the shit.

    For the knock offs I think it's not so much that they're racist as they are stupid and simplistic. That said, there's a certain sense of adventure you get in describing what should be vast cultures in broad strokes - like old timey ethnologists describing the customs and mannerisms.

    Fuck off and die.
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    LegbaLegba He did. Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Hey where can I get some skulls? I think I killed and dropped my entire supply's worth before realising that I'd need them, and now skeletons I'm fighting aren't dropping any.

    Legba on
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Standard modern fantasy fare and Tolkien are barely the same thing at all any more

    sure they have elves and dwarfs and a somewhat medieval setting

    but as far as fantasy goes Middle Earth and the Forgotten Realms are almost opposite ends of the spectrum

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    hey
    guys
    Crom Faeyr is the best

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    yeah, but you have to fight that terrifying guy in the sewers

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    Ain't nothing more terrifying than a ranger-cleric hopped up on so many kinds of magic you can't even touch em

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    buffing magic = where it is at

    my favourite fights are the ones against other adventuring groups, while we are at it

    the one in the sewers, the one where you get Celestial Fury, the one in Firkraag's dungeon

    you have to think tactically because there is this selection of variously equipped hard bastards in front of you with a wide amount of abilities and so on

    those fights are the coolest because they are actually a challenge beyond "hit the monster until it falls over or you do"

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    speaking of buff magic
    scroll of protection against undead
    kangaxx can suck it, gimme that ring

    also, what you were talking about, the other adventuring groups were some of the toughest fights because they could do crazy things

    scarlet blvd. on
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells

    so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?

    but the first time you go it's man

    man what

    why are we all dying

    oh my god what are you

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    Hahahahaha
    Were you hoping to control anything?
    sorry, lemme just hit God's Pause Button and line me up some patented Kangaxx Fucks You In The Face With Power Words

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    and there's eleven year old me (thereabouts) staring at a line of greyed out portraits and thinking "what. in. the. hell."

    I believe my mother asked me what had happened with some concern when I came into the front room to sit down and just think about what had just happened

    contemplate how much I got utterly owned

    though it was at that point that I realized

    wizards man

    I wanna be a wizard

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Jon Irenicus was such a good villain

    It's hard to match up to someone so well written who is also voiced by David Warner

    He and Alan Rickman should have a smug-off

    I really wish David Warner would elect to do more game work

    or that he would get offered more game work

    whatever needs to happen here

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    It's not really racist

    there's no actual racism

    if the elves were enslaving dwarfs then yeah sure, racism

    but they both just don't really like each other and aren't bothered that they aren't like by the others

    remember that racism in society is discrimination and also power

    standard fantasy fare is more just species essentialist, in a weird kind of way

    or as I prefer to call it "badly written monocultures"

    I'd just like to point out that in much of fantasy, elves and humans can produce viable offspring (and orcs and ogres and some others)

    which means that yes, we're talking about racism, since these groups are by definition the same species

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    hey
    guys
    Crom Faeyr is the best

    it is really, really good

    but you have to give up a few very good items to get it

    gauntlets of ogre power, girdle of hill giant strength

    both of these are outstanding and should not be given up lightly

    any time I use Viconia I pass on crom faeyr because she really needs a strength-enhancing item

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    It's not really racist

    there's no actual racism

    if the elves were enslaving dwarfs then yeah sure, racism

    but they both just don't really like each other and aren't bothered that they aren't like by the others

    remember that racism in society is discrimination and also power

    standard fantasy fare is more just species essentialist, in a weird kind of way

    or as I prefer to call it "badly written monocultures"

    I'd just like to point out that in much of fantasy, elves and humans can produce viable offspring (and orcs and ogres and some others)

    which means that yes, we're talking about racism, since these groups are by definition the same species

    My point wasn't that racism wasn't in the setting because they are different species not races

    my point was that racism is a social construct which does not really exist in forgotten realms

    elves and dwarfs do not like each other but they also don't actually oppress each other either

    remember racism is discrimination and power

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells

    so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?

    but the first time you go it's man

    man what

    why are we all dying

    oh my god what are you

    kangaxx strat spoilers
    all you need is a single protection from magic scroll and any +4 weapon on any character

    note that if it's +4 only against undead, that doesn't count

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    shorty
    everybody in your party is expendable
    game only ends if your main bro dies
    therefore, shush and gimme those things so I can make myself a hammer
    you can have these lame gauntlets of dexterity

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    kiddin though, those gauntlets of dex were totally boss too

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    also yes Viconia gets Crom Faeyr when she's in my party as well

    turns her into a bit of a wrecking machine

    even if her HP is godawful

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    I think I was always some dual wielding orc type thing. I can't even remember anymore.

    Anyways, I was about the swording. Shit got sworded.

    Fuck off and die.
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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    kiddin though, those gauntlets of dex were totally boss too

    it doesn't require those

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    It's not really racist

    there's no actual racism

    if the elves were enslaving dwarfs then yeah sure, racism

    but they both just don't really like each other and aren't bothered that they aren't like by the others

    remember that racism in society is discrimination and also power

    standard fantasy fare is more just species essentialist, in a weird kind of way

    or as I prefer to call it "badly written monocultures"

    I'd just like to point out that in much of fantasy, elves and humans can produce viable offspring (and orcs and ogres and some others)

    which means that yes, we're talking about racism, since these groups are by definition the same species

    My point wasn't that racism wasn't in the setting because they are different species not races

    my point was that racism is a social construct which does not really exist in forgotten realms

    elves and dwarfs do not like each other but they also don't actually oppress each other either

    remember racism is discrimination and power

    I think that's a pretty narrow definition of racism

    but upon reflection I also do not want to have a discussion about racism as observed in fantasy roleplay settings

    so I'm just going to let it lie

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    scarlet blvd.scarlet blvd. Bebop Cola Goooood!Registered User regular
    yea, but that's what I gave the poor bugger I snagged the gauntlets of ogre strength from

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    you gotta respect Kangaxx's style

    all he does is scream at you until everyone is dead

    nothing fancy

    just makes you die

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    I think it's okay to have racism in your setting. it's okay to have racist elves.

    That said, lots of writers involved with fantasy aren't good enough to handle racism in anything but the most superficial saturday morning cartoon morality way.

    Fuck off and die.
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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells

    so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?

    but the first time you go it's man

    man what

    why are we all dying

    oh my god what are you

    it was more like, you think you're so fucking smart, I've already busted two of your friends out of sarcophaguses exactly like this one

    step right out into these here traps and oh

    what

    why won't you die

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    kangaxx is a little too easy if you know what you are doing

    aerie: casts spell immunity: abjuration
    aerie: undead destroyed
    kangaxx: death

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    kangaxx is a little too easy if you know what you are doing

    aerie: casts spell immunity: abjuration
    aerie: undead destroyed
    kangaxx: death

    yeah, maybe if aerie is level 52

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    improved mace of disruption bro

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    yeah, maybe if aerie gets her strength up over 4

    why can't you do ANYTHING RIGHT aerie? you want me DEAD or somethin?

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    it's pretty easy to pump her str up to 25, actually. at which point you bop kanaxx on the head and instakill him. aerie is the strongest npc in the game

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    at high levels yeah she's pretty hardcore

    but she's also a fantastically annoying person so

    sorry babe

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    so I'm about to beat BG:EE

    killed the last guy, and right as the final video triggers, my main character's berserk ends, and she died

    PROGRAM CRASH

    Shorty on
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Does anyone remember the mods that you could install that made the game super, super hard?

    Irenicus at the end would shapechange to a dragon when he died and then a balor and so on

    I installed that mod aged about thirteen or something, thirsty for the challenge

    well I had my party of hardcore shitkickers tooled up the the nine's with awesome gear (me as a Wizard, I think maybe Jaheira since romance choice, Keldorn, Anomen, Valygar, perhaps Nalia? Anyway it was mostly spellcasters with Keldorn using Carsomyr, Anomen with Crom Faeyr, Valygar with Celestial Fury etc).

    and I was having a right nightmare of it beating Irenicus at the end

    just could never finish him off, the soul-less wizardy fucker, hating his guts while simultaneously respecting his mighty arcane power

    finally, after god knows how many tries, I manage to do it. Victory is mine fuck yes!

    And then

    blue screen of death before the autosave

    I screamed and punched the screen and it broke

    my mum comes running in all "what's wrong?!?" obviously concerned by what she heard

    and I just turned to her clutching my hand, broken screen before me flickering with blue, sobbing my eyes out

    "I-I BEAT*sobAND*sobBLUE SCREEN*sobNOT FAIR*sob..."

    obviously she just explodes with laughter at this point

    I had to buy a new screen with my birthday present money

    to this day my mother knows BG2 as that game which caused her more hilarity than any other and she never even played it

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    yes well fortunately for me I've played enough BG to know how to beat the last guy without really breaking a sweat, so I just did it again

    in other news, I imported that character into BG2 but it's buggy as fuck with my new videocard so I'm just going to wait for BG2:EE (assuming they do that)

    Shorty on
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Did you do it with an extra hard mod though

    red dragon Irenicus

    balor lord irenicus

    and so on

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I was talking about the first one

    trying not to say who the last guy is but I'm sure you remember

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    Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    Did you enjoy your time revisiting Baldur's Gate?

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I did!

    it's a quite well-done port, I think

    anything cleaner would probably require a complete engine rebuild

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    ah yeah course

    well he's easy

    archers yo

    Solar on
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