Well, it makes sense for what Tolkien was trying to do, which as far as I know was essentially a symbolic tale of how English culture is the shit.
For the knock offs I think it's not so much that they're racist as they are stupid and simplistic. That said, there's a certain sense of adventure you get in describing what should be vast cultures in broad strokes - like old timey ethnologists describing the customs and mannerisms.
Hey where can I get some skulls? I think I killed and dropped my entire supply's worth before realising that I'd need them, and now skeletons I'm fighting aren't dropping any.
my favourite fights are the ones against other adventuring groups, while we are at it
the one in the sewers, the one where you get Celestial Fury, the one in Firkraag's dungeon
you have to think tactically because there is this selection of variously equipped hard bastards in front of you with a wide amount of abilities and so on
those fights are the coolest because they are actually a challenge beyond "hit the monster until it falls over or you do"
Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells
so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?
Hahahahaha
Were you hoping to control anything?
sorry, lemme just hit God's Pause Button and line me up some patented Kangaxx Fucks You In The Face With Power Words
and there's eleven year old me (thereabouts) staring at a line of greyed out portraits and thinking "what. in. the. hell."
I believe my mother asked me what had happened with some concern when I came into the front room to sit down and just think about what had just happened
contemplate how much I got utterly owned
though it was at that point that I realized
wizards man
I wanna be a wizard
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Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells
so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?
but the first time you go it's man
man what
why are we all dying
oh my god what are you
kangaxx strat spoilers
all you need is a single protection from magic scroll and any +4 weapon on any character
note that if it's +4 only against undead, that doesn't count
shorty
everybody in your party is expendable
game only ends if your main bro dies
therefore, shush and gimme those things so I can make myself a hammer
you can have these lame gauntlets of dexterity
I think it's okay to have racism in your setting. it's okay to have racist elves.
That said, lots of writers involved with fantasy aren't good enough to handle racism in anything but the most superficial saturday morning cartoon morality way.
Kangaxx goes down like a sucka if you have the right stuff and spells
so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?
but the first time you go it's man
man what
why are we all dying
oh my god what are you
it was more like, you think you're so fucking smart, I've already busted two of your friends out of sarcophaguses exactly like this one
it's pretty easy to pump her str up to 25, actually. at which point you bop kanaxx on the head and instakill him. aerie is the strongest npc in the game
Does anyone remember the mods that you could install that made the game super, super hard?
Irenicus at the end would shapechange to a dragon when he died and then a balor and so on
I installed that mod aged about thirteen or something, thirsty for the challenge
well I had my party of hardcore shitkickers tooled up the the nine's with awesome gear (me as a Wizard, I think maybe Jaheira since romance choice, Keldorn, Anomen, Valygar, perhaps Nalia? Anyway it was mostly spellcasters with Keldorn using Carsomyr, Anomen with Crom Faeyr, Valygar with Celestial Fury etc).
and I was having a right nightmare of it beating Irenicus at the end
just could never finish him off, the soul-less wizardy fucker, hating his guts while simultaneously respecting his mighty arcane power
finally, after god knows how many tries, I manage to do it. Victory is mine fuck yes!
And then
blue screen of death before the autosave
I screamed and punched the screen and it broke
my mum comes running in all "what's wrong?!?" obviously concerned by what she heard
and I just turned to her clutching my hand, broken screen before me flickering with blue, sobbing my eyes out
obviously she just explodes with laughter at this point
I had to buy a new screen with my birthday present money
to this day my mother knows BG2 as that game which caused her more hilarity than any other and she never even played it
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yes well fortunately for me I've played enough BG to know how to beat the last guy without really breaking a sweat, so I just did it again
in other news, I imported that character into BG2 but it's buggy as fuck with my new videocard so I'm just going to wait for BG2:EE (assuming they do that)
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For the knock offs I think it's not so much that they're racist as they are stupid and simplistic. That said, there's a certain sense of adventure you get in describing what should be vast cultures in broad strokes - like old timey ethnologists describing the customs and mannerisms.
sure they have elves and dwarfs and a somewhat medieval setting
but as far as fantasy goes Middle Earth and the Forgotten Realms are almost opposite ends of the spectrum
guys
Crom Faeyr is the best
my favourite fights are the ones against other adventuring groups, while we are at it
the one in the sewers, the one where you get Celestial Fury, the one in Firkraag's dungeon
you have to think tactically because there is this selection of variously equipped hard bastards in front of you with a wide amount of abilities and so on
those fights are the coolest because they are actually a challenge beyond "hit the monster until it falls over or you do"
scroll of protection against undead
kangaxx can suck it, gimme that ring
also, what you were talking about, the other adventuring groups were some of the toughest fights because they could do crazy things
so these days I always own the hell out of him because before I go in its scroll of protection against undead, Celestial Fury, improved haste and breach right?
but the first time you go it's man
man what
why are we all dying
oh my god what are you
Were you hoping to control anything?
sorry, lemme just hit God's Pause Button and line me up some patented Kangaxx Fucks You In The Face With Power Words
I believe my mother asked me what had happened with some concern when I came into the front room to sit down and just think about what had just happened
contemplate how much I got utterly owned
though it was at that point that I realized
wizards man
I wanna be a wizard
I really wish David Warner would elect to do more game work
or that he would get offered more game work
whatever needs to happen here
I'd just like to point out that in much of fantasy, elves and humans can produce viable offspring (and orcs and ogres and some others)
which means that yes, we're talking about racism, since these groups are by definition the same species
it is really, really good
but you have to give up a few very good items to get it
gauntlets of ogre power, girdle of hill giant strength
both of these are outstanding and should not be given up lightly
any time I use Viconia I pass on crom faeyr because she really needs a strength-enhancing item
My point wasn't that racism wasn't in the setting because they are different species not races
my point was that racism is a social construct which does not really exist in forgotten realms
elves and dwarfs do not like each other but they also don't actually oppress each other either
remember racism is discrimination and power
kangaxx strat spoilers
note that if it's +4 only against undead, that doesn't count
everybody in your party is expendable
game only ends if your main bro dies
therefore, shush and gimme those things so I can make myself a hammer
you can have these lame gauntlets of dexterity
turns her into a bit of a wrecking machine
even if her HP is godawful
Anyways, I was about the swording. Shit got sworded.
it doesn't require those
I think that's a pretty narrow definition of racism
but upon reflection I also do not want to have a discussion about racism as observed in fantasy roleplay settings
so I'm just going to let it lie
all he does is scream at you until everyone is dead
nothing fancy
just makes you die
That said, lots of writers involved with fantasy aren't good enough to handle racism in anything but the most superficial saturday morning cartoon morality way.
it was more like, you think you're so fucking smart, I've already busted two of your friends out of sarcophaguses exactly like this one
step right out into these here traps and oh
what
why won't you die
aerie: casts spell immunity: abjuration
aerie: undead destroyed
kangaxx: death
yeah, maybe if aerie is level 52
why can't you do ANYTHING RIGHT aerie? you want me DEAD or somethin?
but she's also a fantastically annoying person so
sorry babe
killed the last guy, and right as the final video triggers, my main character's berserk ends, and she died
PROGRAM CRASH
Irenicus at the end would shapechange to a dragon when he died and then a balor and so on
I installed that mod aged about thirteen or something, thirsty for the challenge
well I had my party of hardcore shitkickers tooled up the the nine's with awesome gear (me as a Wizard, I think maybe Jaheira since romance choice, Keldorn, Anomen, Valygar, perhaps Nalia? Anyway it was mostly spellcasters with Keldorn using Carsomyr, Anomen with Crom Faeyr, Valygar with Celestial Fury etc).
and I was having a right nightmare of it beating Irenicus at the end
just could never finish him off, the soul-less wizardy fucker, hating his guts while simultaneously respecting his mighty arcane power
finally, after god knows how many tries, I manage to do it. Victory is mine fuck yes!
And then
blue screen of death before the autosave
I screamed and punched the screen and it broke
my mum comes running in all "what's wrong?!?" obviously concerned by what she heard
and I just turned to her clutching my hand, broken screen before me flickering with blue, sobbing my eyes out
"I-I BEAT*sobAND*sobBLUE SCREEN*sobNOT FAIR*sob..."
obviously she just explodes with laughter at this point
I had to buy a new screen with my birthday present money
to this day my mother knows BG2 as that game which caused her more hilarity than any other and she never even played it
in other news, I imported that character into BG2 but it's buggy as fuck with my new videocard so I'm just going to wait for BG2:EE (assuming they do that)
red dragon Irenicus
balor lord irenicus
and so on
trying not to say who the last guy is but I'm sure you remember
it's a quite well-done port, I think
anything cleaner would probably require a complete engine rebuild
well he's easy
archers yo