AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
So apparently every wingnut blog is trying to make hay over the fact that Obama told Russia he can't reduce nuclear warhead stockpiles before he is reelected. Um no, he can't do it before the election because you guys will tell everyone over and over and over and over and over that he is endangering the US whether you actually believe it or not.
FOX BREAKING NEWS: This just in, "DisruptedCapital", a well-known leftist Obama-sympathizer has openly stated that, and we quote "The Sky is Blue", thereby brazenly underlining reality (and science)'s long held liberal bias.
Rick Santorum has already released a statement condemning the statements. "There is no need to rub our noses in the fact that even over notoriously Red States like Texas, that damn blue sky is still hanging. We consider this a clear sign from God that he feels that the US is on a far too liberal path. Only once all books (except the Bible), scientific materials and other porn has been burnt will the sky colour a glorious and righteous red. We call it Operation Red Dawn."
Ron Paul has stated that, if elected, he would allow states the freedom to paint the sky any which colour they wanted, provided it's gold.
FOX BREAKING NEWS: This just in, "DisruptedCapital", a well-known leftist Obama-sympathizer has openly stated that, and we quote "The Sky is Blue", thereby brazenly underlining reality (and science)'s long held liberal bias.
Rick Santorum has already released a statement condemning the statements. "There is no need to rub our noses in the fact that even over notoriously Red States like Texas, that damn blue sky is still hanging. We consider this a clear sign from God that he feels that the US is on a far too liberal path. Only once all books (except the Bible), scientific materials and other porn has been burnt will the sky colour a glorious and righteous red. We call it Operation Red Dawn."
Ron Paul has stated that, if elected, he would allow states the freedom to paint the sky any which colour they wanted, provided it's gold.
More on Sky-gate at 11.
Only a communist mexican jew lizard would use a u in the word color
FOX BREAKING NEWS: This just in, "DisruptedCapital", a well-known leftist Obama-sympathizer has openly stated that, and we quote "The Sky is Blue", thereby brazenly underlining reality (and science)'s long held liberal bias.
Rick Santorum has already released a statement condemning the statements. "There is no need to rub our noses in the fact that even over notoriously Red States like Texas, that damn blue sky is still hanging. We consider this a clear sign from God that he feels that the US is on a far too liberal path. Only once all books (except the Bible), scientific materials and other porn has been burnt will the sky colour a glorious and righteous red. We call it Operation Red Dawn."
Ron Paul has stated that, if elected, he would allow states the freedom to paint the sky any which colour they wanted, provided it's gold.
More on Sky-gate at 11.
I typically don't report political posts for awesome, but this very nearly made me flip flop on that stance. :^:
Yeah, it's like the big flap over the Romney aide saying that Romney will drift towards center during the general election.
Up next on the news: "The sky is blue."
Nah, people mostly laughed at that because he compared Romney to an Etch-a-Sketch.
And because you aren't actually supposed to say it out loud.
And because he has a history of massive dishonesty and disrespect for the electorate's intelligence. It confirmed an existing narrative.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but things are not looking good for the Affordable Care Act. The tape of the arguments has not been posted yet, but from what I am hearing, the attorney for the state attorney generals did a fantastic job, and Roberts, Kennedy, Scalia and Alito (one of them will be making the decision about whether the law stands) asked much more pointed questions from the Solicitor-General than they did of the states.
Kennedy has sounded extremely skeptical of the mandate. Roberts and Alito might actually be more gettable.
Kennedy definitely came across as more skeptical, but I don't think that Roberts will come around if Kennedy's concerns are not answered. Alito might be the best candidate to join the more liberal wing in the decision. It will be really interesting (and surprising) if the mandate is upheld over the objections of Kennedy.
Honestly with how absolutely fubar SCOTUS is...I'm not surprised. The fact that they will go against precedents they themselves set just a few years ago would be laughable, if it wasn't so frightening/sad.
Supporters of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) point out Scalia's concurring opinion in a medical marijuana case in 2005. In Gonzales v. Raich, the court ruled that federal anti-drug laws could be applied to prohibit the local cultivation of marijuana for medical purposes, which had been authorized under state law.
"Supporters of the ACA have good reason to hope that Scalia will vote to uphold the individual mandate, given his concurrence in Raich," says Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel of the Constitutional Accountability Center.
In his opinion Scalia wrote, "Congress may regulate even noneconomic local activity if that regulation is a necessary part of a more general regulation of interstate commerce."
I don't think one can do anything close to predicting how they will vote based on oral arguments. Not that it won't stop spin machines from touting that their side is going to win so decidedly that the healthcare issue is going to be put to bed for the next century.
with the exception of Thomas, they always ask pointed questions, and most (if not all of them) will have made up their minds beforehand from reading the briefs submitted/selected federalist papers/WSJ editorial depending on the justice.
Are we even sure that Thomas is awake during oral arguments? Or possibly he has substituted a lifelike cardboard cutout to sit there for him, since he can't be bothered to really be an active member of the Court?
If a SCOTUS judge rules against his own precedent, is there grounds for removal for failing to keep his oath to uphold the law in favor of using the gavel as a political activist tool?
If a SCOTUS judge rules against his own precedent, is there grounds for removal for failing to keep his oath to uphold the law in favor of using the gavel as a political activist tool?
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that it is actually a tax, even setting aside the point
that it should be assessed and collected in the same
manner as a tax, the Anti-Injunction Act uses the term
"tax"; it doesn't define it. Somewhat to my surprise,
"tax" is not defined anywhere in the Internal Revenue
Code.
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The only 'good' thing about this is the people who fucking themselves by removing the mandate because they're stupid enough to do what rich people tell them to.
Well, in theory it means single-payer might be a lot closer than it would be otherwise, if that's the only way to get the job done. America, the land where the government isn't allowed to fix the nation's problems.
As much as I'm in favor of people fucking themselves, without the mandate the system needs a critical mass in order to work.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
I was listening to NPR report on this and I heard literally the dumbest arguments against it. Like, "If Obama can force us to buy healthcare, what's next? He's going to force us to drive Chevi's? Where does it end?"
Someone actually said that. And they are of the legal voting age.
My brain is still hemorrhaging.
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
I really have no idea what the political effects of the mandate being struck would entail. It is enough of a black swan to have unpredictable consequences.
We need that. Lemmie guess, it'd have to be an amendment.
How so? "The learned counsel from the Heritage foundation has convinced me that I was in error in Blah blah v. Some state and now I agree that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate health care/civil rights/w/e.
It'll energize the right and swing momentum against Obama's reelection chances. I predict a 5-4 decision to declare the mandate unconstitutional. I also predict Obama losing the election if it is. One of the more intelligent, charismatic, reasonable presidents we've had will go down as being worse than Carter in the media and popular opinion. Only scholars and intelligent people would think otherwise. Oh, and if he loses, look forward to the Pubs completely crushing the Dems in all facets of our country, from the Senate and House on down.
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I'm not sure about that. If they declare it unconstitutional, there goes like half of the Republican's platform right there.
Dammit, why can't anything in this country go right for once?
Conservatives. I wouldn't cry if they all suddenly died tomorrow. I would dance on their graves. I would read their obituaries with unfettered glee. Every. Single. One. From hell's heart I stab at thee, and such.
Dammit, why can't anything in this country go right for once?
Conservatives. I wouldn't cry if they all suddenly died tomorrow. I would dance on their graves. I would read their obituaries with unfettered glee. Every. Single. One. From hell's heart I stab at thee, and such.
Dammit, why can't anything in this country go right for once?
Conservatives. I wouldn't cry if they all suddenly died tomorrow. I would dance on their graves. I would read their obituaries with unfettered glee. Every. Single. One. From hell's heart I stab at thee, and such.
I know, I know. It's just that I happen to LIKE things like Civil Rights, science, and not being owned by my employer. Sure the people who support taking those things away deserve their own medicine, but we don't.
I was listening to NPR report on this and I heard literally the dumbest arguments against it. Like, "If Obama can force us to buy healthcare, what's next? He's going to force us to drive Chevi's? Where does it end?"
Someone actually said that. And they are of the legal voting age.
My brain is still hemorrhaging.
Well, if you let the federal government require people have health insurance, then that opens all kinds of doors. The next thing you know they might require people to give a portion of their income to help pay for the government, or require people to pay into a national retirement program, or even require people to register with the military so that they can be called upon to fight and die in times of war.
Dammit, why can't anything in this country go right for once?
Conservatives. I wouldn't cry if they all suddenly died tomorrow. I would dance on their graves. I would read their obituaries with unfettered glee. Every. Single. One. From hell's heart I stab at thee, and such.
I know, I know. It's just that I happen to LIKE things like Civil Rights, science, and not being owned by my employer. Sure the people who support taking those things away deserve their own medicine, but we don't.
Don't forget that the freedom of religion, equal rights for women and minorities, and the right to privacy are all pretty great things too... that they're apparently also trying to get rid of.
It'll energize the right and swing momentum against Obama's reelection chances. I predict a 5-4 decision to declare the mandate unconstitutional. I also predict Obama losing the election if it is. One of the more intelligent, charismatic, reasonable presidents we've had will go down as being worse than Carter in the media and popular opinion. Only scholars and intelligent people would think otherwise. Oh, and if he loses, look forward to the Pubs completely crushing the Dems in all facets of our country, from the Senate and House on down.
I doubt that it would cost him the presidency. It would mean he has to work to find a new way to pay for this stuff, or at least come up with more incentives to get the numbers of people we need invested in the system.
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The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I was listening to NPR report on this and I heard literally the dumbest arguments against it. Like, "If Obama can force us to buy healthcare, what's next? He's going to force us to drive Chevi's? Where does it end?"
Someone actually said that. And they are of the legal voting age.
My brain is still hemorrhaging.
Pretty sure at least one justice parroted this argument today.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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Up next on the news: "The sky is blue."
Rick Santorum has already released a statement condemning the statements. "There is no need to rub our noses in the fact that even over notoriously Red States like Texas, that damn blue sky is still hanging. We consider this a clear sign from God that he feels that the US is on a far too liberal path. Only once all books (except the Bible), scientific materials and other porn has been burnt will the sky colour a glorious and righteous red. We call it Operation Red Dawn."
Ron Paul has stated that, if elected, he would allow states the freedom to paint the sky any which colour they wanted, provided it's gold.
More on Sky-gate at 11.
Only a communist mexican jew lizard would use a u in the word color
I typically don't report political posts for awesome, but this very nearly made me flip flop on that stance. :^:
And because you aren't actually supposed to say it out loud.
And because he has a history of massive dishonesty and disrespect for the electorate's intelligence. It confirmed an existing narrative.
This is a remarkably frightening statement.
Kennedy definitely came across as more skeptical, but I don't think that Roberts will come around if Kennedy's concerns are not answered. Alito might be the best candidate to join the more liberal wing in the decision. It will be really interesting (and surprising) if the mandate is upheld over the objections of Kennedy.
Is it their choice if they want to repeal the act in part or in total? Like, is that really a thing they get to choose with laws that reach them?
But we know which way he'll be voting.
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Someone actually said that. And they are of the legal voting age.
My brain is still hemorrhaging.
How so? "The learned counsel from the Heritage foundation has convinced me that I was in error in Blah blah v. Some state and now I agree that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate health care/civil rights/w/e.
I see it as more "We got the <n-word> on the ropes! Let's finish it!"
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Conservatives. I wouldn't cry if they all suddenly died tomorrow. I would dance on their graves. I would read their obituaries with unfettered glee. Every. Single. One. From hell's heart I stab at thee, and such.
It'll more likely make Left-leaning voters wake the fuck up.
This isn't really constructive. Come on, man.
I know, I know. It's just that I happen to LIKE things like Civil Rights, science, and not being owned by my employer. Sure the people who support taking those things away deserve their own medicine, but we don't.
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Well, if you let the federal government require people have health insurance, then that opens all kinds of doors. The next thing you know they might require people to give a portion of their income to help pay for the government, or require people to pay into a national retirement program, or even require people to register with the military so that they can be called upon to fight and die in times of war.
Oh wait...
Don't forget that the freedom of religion, equal rights for women and minorities, and the right to privacy are all pretty great things too... that they're apparently also trying to get rid of.
I doubt that it would cost him the presidency. It would mean he has to work to find a new way to pay for this stuff, or at least come up with more incentives to get the numbers of people we need invested in the system.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Pretty sure at least one justice parroted this argument today.