Let's just say they decide to off Wayne and put someone else under the cowl. I'd give it no more than six months. People go nuts when a C lister dies, they'd burn buildings if they killed Bruce Wayne and relaunched Batman with a new number one. That was one of the big rumors going on during Infinite Crisis (sans relaunch) it it seemed to garner mostly negative feedback.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
edited November 2007
People went nuts when they brought in Jason Todd as Robin and yet everybody loves Tim Drake.
It's not so much the act as it is the presentation.
You know, in those dystopian future everyone-dies storylines, Bruce Wayne is a survivor most of the time. In things like Rock of Ages or those JLU time traveling episodes, Superman dies, sometimes Wonder Woman does, but Batman always makes it through.
If Bruce Wayne does get killed, I don't want it to be in some cosmic, event catalyst way. I don't want the Monitors to shoot him or Darkseid to eat him. I would rather see him die in the streets of Gotham against some crazy odds.
You know, in those dystopian future everyone-dies storylines, Bruce Wayne is a survivor most of the time. In things like Rock of Ages or those JLU time traveling episodes, Superman dies, sometimes Wonder Woman does, but Batman always makes it through.
If Bruce Wayne does get killed, I don't want it to be in some cosmic, event catalyst way. I don't want the Monitors to shoot him or Darkseid to eat him. I would rather see him die in the streets of Gotham against some crazy odds.
I agree.
It would be more justified if Batman, a hero without powers, would die in the most human way.
60 years old, in over his head and fighting a bunch of thugs like a crazy man.
Maybe it's one of those deals were the world will believe "Bruce Wayne" is dead but he still lives but just goes nuts and believes he is just "Batman." He doesn't bother with a secret identity anymore and just wears his tights 24/7.
Maybe it's one of those deals were the world will believe "Bruce Wayne" is dead but he still lives but just goes nuts and believes he is just "Batman." He doesn't bother with a secret identity anymore and just wears his tights 24/7.
They already pulled that with Bruce Wayne: Fugitive
I would really hate for Bruce to die but a relaunch of Batman would be great. I have been trying to get caught up in the comics but I don't know where a good spot to jump in is. A nice new #1 would be perfect for me.
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The world already did without Bats for a year, though.
Really the only time I'd want to see any big name- Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc die would be in an Elseworlds or What If? kinda story. Otherwise the death has no real impact as we know they shall return.
Now B list Heros and Villians.. Sure man, Cap em!
I don't necessarily agree. A death can have an impact so long as you view the story as self-contained rather than considering its implications or place within continuity.
Last week's rumour about Batman kicking the Batbucket to be replaced by a sidekick is kicking up steam. As Valerie D'Orazio picks up on, the original plan was for all the main DC icons to die and be elevated to the status of New Gods as part of the Fifth World, their sidekicks filling the roles they left behind.
However, that plan was abandoned internally at DC and reduced to a Bat-storyline by Grant Morrison. So look for Bruce Wayne New God to go head-to-head with Darkseid in "Final Crisis."
Maybe they canned the idea to do it for most of the main DC guys because oh wait they killed Bart and Connor goddamnit
I think it'd be really neat if they replaced most of the "big" heroes with their sidekicks and starting making everyone age semi-realistically
i would kill for this, i think
just make some arbitrary rule that is actually followed of 3 of our years = 1 year DCU time
age everyone accordingly
sidekicks take over for mentors and real change and interesting stories occur
keep the Classifieds/Confidentials for telling stories back when whoever was young but actually put good ideas and creative teams behind them
i mean, look at the list of teams some of these people have joined. It just doesn't work with a constantly compressing timeline "So for about a month and a half I was a teen titan. then I moved to the Outsiders for about 3 weeks. JLA another 3 weeks after that."
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
edited November 2007
plus you have the Wolfman/Perez titans that have actually aged while everyone else has stayed the same
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Sars_BoyRest, You Are The Lightning.Registered Userregular
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Oh man.
That whole Fifth World thing. That actually sounds pretty fucking cool.
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It makes sense when you think about it.
The Epilogue to New Gods reads
There came a time when the old gods died! The Brave died with the cunning! The noble perished, locked in battle with the unleashed evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient Era was passing in Fiery Holocaust.
This is just Morrison's next progression. The time of the Fourth World is up, and like the Gods before them, they must die so that new ones can succeed them. Who better to succeed the new gods than the veritable gods of the DCU? It certainly would've made a Crisis mean something for the first time in a while.
I think it'd be really neat if they replaced most of the "big" heroes with their sidekicks and starting making everyone age semi-realistically
i would kill for this, i think
just make some arbitrary rule that is actually followed of 3 of our years = 1 year DCU time
age everyone accordingly
sidekicks take over for mentors and real change and interesting stories occur
keep the Classifieds/Confidentials for telling stories back when whoever was young but actually put good ideas and creative teams behind them
i mean, look at the list of teams some of these people have joined. It just doesn't work with a constantly compressing timeline "So for about a month and a half I was a teen titan. then I moved to the Outsiders for about 3 weeks. JLA another 3 weeks after that."
I really want to see at least one DCU ongoing with that idea. That would be so neat.
Hal was better with gray hair. Now he's just creepy and lecherous. And despite the fact that Ollie was de-aged during his resurrection, he's always commenting on what an "old fart" he is. So, at least for Ollie, the idea of a middle-aged/slightly over-the-hill superhero is working.
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There came a time when the old gods died! The Brave died with the cunning! The noble perished, locked in battle with the unleashed evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient Era was passing in Fiery Holocaust.
This is just Morrison's next progression. The time of the Fourth World is up, and like the Gods before them, they must die so that new ones can succeed them. Who better to succeed the new gods than the veritable gods of the DCU? It certainly would've made a Crisis mean something for the first time in a while.
I think you just broke my mind.
That's a really beautiful concept. Although I have no idea how the DCU could exist after the fact, and it seems like it would mean throwing away the new Gods forever and ever.
It is ever so Morrison though. Characters ascending to become the archetypes the embody, and the crazy Mezo-American conception of succeeding worlds.
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I can now tell you that the new Batman will be designed by Alex Ross and will see Jason Todd under the cowl.
Poor Dick Grayson. Don't you hate it when someone junior to you is promoted above your head?
This is all part of a cross-continuity, longform story by Grant Morrison and in terms of structure bears similarity to his “New X-Men,” but on a far wider scale. It sounds rather good.
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It's not so much the act as it is the presentation.
If Bruce Wayne does get killed, I don't want it to be in some cosmic, event catalyst way. I don't want the Monitors to shoot him or Darkseid to eat him. I would rather see him die in the streets of Gotham against some crazy odds.
I agree.
It would be more justified if Batman, a hero without powers, would die in the most human way.
60 years old, in over his head and fighting a bunch of thugs like a crazy man.
I mean
There really were a number of lines in Robin that could lead one to think that Bruce might die
Ass.
They already pulled that with Bruce Wayne: Fugitive
Death won't even see it coming.
"What are doing? You can't hit Death on the head with a pipe."
"If he comes near me I'm going to rip his nipples off!"
But I do think there have been certain implications that it would at least be possible, plus, you know, DiDio being insane and all.
Now B list Heros and Villians.. Sure man, Cap em!
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I actually would have really liked that.
It would be refreshing to see the sidekicks take over the mantles for a while, the last time that happened was what, Wally after COIE?
EDIT: Bart kindasorta, but that lasted all of 12(13?) issues.
i would kill for this, i think
just make some arbitrary rule that is actually followed of 3 of our years = 1 year DCU time
age everyone accordingly
sidekicks take over for mentors and real change and interesting stories occur
keep the Classifieds/Confidentials for telling stories back when whoever was young but actually put good ideas and creative teams behind them
i mean, look at the list of teams some of these people have joined. It just doesn't work with a constantly compressing timeline "So for about a month and a half I was a teen titan. then I moved to the Outsiders for about 3 weeks. JLA another 3 weeks after that."
That whole Fifth World thing. That actually sounds pretty fucking cool.
Shame it got canned.
The New New Gods would be from the Fifth World.
The Epilogue to New Gods reads
This is just Morrison's next progression. The time of the Fourth World is up, and like the Gods before them, they must die so that new ones can succeed them. Who better to succeed the new gods than the veritable gods of the DCU? It certainly would've made a Crisis mean something for the first time in a while.
I really want to see at least one DCU ongoing with that idea. That would be so neat.
I think you just broke my mind.
That's a really beautiful concept. Although I have no idea how the DCU could exist after the fact, and it seems like it would mean throwing away the new Gods forever and ever.
It is ever so Morrison though. Characters ascending to become the archetypes the embody, and the crazy Mezo-American conception of succeeding worlds.
It just seems so right.
What?