Anyone who read DKR or DKSA should know that Miller's Batman is ape-shit nutso. What I have read of War Games has Batman being an apeshit crazy asshole and that was only a few years ago.
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edited August 2008
I think it was less that he was crazy and more had an obsessive need to control absolutely everything.
I shall share the secret of Batman RIP with all of you......
The way it works is, in Batman's currently drugged up state, everything he's doing and the world he's perceiving is completely normal and rational. The trick is that if you, the reader, tried reading this while drugged up, it would make perfect sense to all of you. No longer will you be perceiving things as outside observers, but from the very perspective of Batman himself. Genius.
I'm pretty sure that Alfred's lines cleared up that issue as soon as it came up.
"I knew Thomas Wayne. You are NOT Thomas Wayne. And I promise you Master Bruce will make you regret this grotesque charade."
We know from the RIP "crossover" issues in Detective Comics that Hush, and more than likely all of the Black Glove crime group have access to very advanced plastic surgery methods.
In fact, in the Detective Comics issue where Hush goes under the knife, he could easily be the one who became
I think my biggest problem with this arc so far is that they've seperated Batman from Bruce Wayne, I mean thats what this Batman of Zur-en-arrh is supposed to be according to this issue.
But I find out that I dont really like him or find him interesting.
I actually rather liked it. I mean, it's absurd in the extreme (that Batman is prepared for absolutely everything, including
post-hypnotic personality-wiping codewords
), but I actually felt like this one little thing redeemed the whole arc for me. Specifically, I understand why Batman is acting the way he is. The way I figure it, Batman minus Bruce Wayne is incomplete, so it's not surprising to me that the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh is kind of unhinged, and is hitting people with a stick rather than doing the Batmany things we normally expect (lurking in shadows, throwing batarangs, using ziplines, etc).
I haven't actually read the books for this arc, but I just can't respect what they're doing to Batman at this point.
But mostly I just think that within 5 years, this arc will already be horribly, horribly dated, and probably within 10 or so another crisis will happen, and this bit of the continuity will be swept under the carpet like it never happened. I also can't believe this is going on against a franchise film, but I know that's already been discussed here.
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yes because lining up stories to match with the multi million dollar movie is exactly what inspires creativity around DC
you would be bitching just as much if not more if they had changed Batman for the movie release
this week's issue was fucking boss, and finally confirmed what I thought:
that the Batman of Zur En Arrh was set up by bruce wayne
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I'm sorry, that was a bit mean.
HadjiQuest, please don't ever post.
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I liked this issue the most so far, but it packed less "oomph" than the previous ones. I enjoyed that it makes sense, but mostly everything has already been predicted.
I do like that the Club of Heroes is going to show up, though
I got both of the Robin RIP crossover issues, but I did not get the Nightwing one. Was it any good? Does it have any important information or plot elements? If so, would someone mind spoilering them please? I don't plan to buy that issue.
I haven't actually read the books for this arc, but I just can't respect what they're doing to Batman at this point.
But mostly I just think that within 5 years, this arc will already be horribly, horribly dated, and probably within 10 or so another crisis will happen, and this bit of the continuity will be swept under the carpet like it never happened. I also can't believe this is going on against a franchise film, but I know that's already been discussed here.
Actually, however time will judge this story, I don't think it's going to be a big deal. It is really a "harmless retcon" in that nothing changed doesn't change the way people write Batman stories.
This is in reference to Batman's wacky silver age being retconned into military experiment hallucinations and code words being implanted into him
I guess the actual "end" of Batman might be major enough, but we all know it's not going to be permanent, so it won't really require a crisis to wipe away.
I really don't think the events of this arc will have a big impact on future bat stories when all is said and done.
that the Batman of Zur En Arrh was set up by bruce wayne
Can you explain this one a little, as I'm a moron
Here's what we know so far:
Batman, in an insanely absurd demonstration of the "he can beat anyone, if he has time to plan" fanboy mentality, apparently foresaw the possibility that some enemy would find away to strip away the Bruce Wayne and Batman personalities. To combat this, he somehow (through means unknown) developed a third, hidden personality, the Batman of Zur En Arrh, which lay dormant inside of him.
This personality is based off a hallucination he had during a military drug and sensory deprivation experiment (apparently much of the Silver Age wackiness was a part of this), during which one of the doctors, Dr. Hate (who is now impersonating Thomas Wayne, physically, through surgery, etc.) implanted the hypnotic cues necessary to later strip away those "healthy" Bruce Wayne/Batman personalities.
Thus, having now been triggered, Bruce Wayne and Batman are 'gone' (perhaps permanently) leaving only The Batman of Zur En Arrh inhabiting that body. That Batman is now on a slowly building rampage, guided by a peculiar hallucination of Bat-Mite.
that the Batman of Zur En Arrh was set up by bruce wayne
Can you explain this one a little, as I'm a moron
Here's what we know so far:
Batman, in an insanely absurd demonstration of the "he can beat anyone, if he has time to plan" fanboy mentality, apparently foresaw the possibility that some enemy would find away to strip away the Bruce Wayne and Batman personalities. To combat this, he somehow (through means unknown) developed a third, hidden personality, the Batman of Zur En Arrh, which lay dormant inside of him.
This personality is based off a hallucination he had during a military drug and sensory deprivation experiment (apparently much of the Silver Age wackiness was a part of this), during which one of the doctors, Dr. Hate (who is now impersonating Thomas Wayne, physically, through surgery, etc.) implanted the hypnotic cues necessary to later strip away those "healthy" Bruce Wayne/Batman personalities.
Thus, having now been triggered, Bruce Wayne and Batman are 'gone' (perhaps permanently) leaving only The Batman of Zur En Arrh inhabiting that body. That Batman is now on a slowly building rampage, guided by a peculiar hallucination of Bat-Mite.
ah cool, I didn't realize that Bruce had set up that personality on his own, I thought it was just a byproduct of some sort, but this does make sense
I want to know what the control words or images, or whatever it was that Dr. Hurt used to break him down.
After having read this weeks issue, it seems to me that Zur En Arrh was Batman's control word which brought out his hidden fail-safe personality. So if that wasn't the bad guy's implanted word, then what was?
Is El Sombrero a real character, or did Morrison just invent him?
I am seriously dumbfounded by this post
No, I'm serious, did the character actually exist prior to this or did Morrison just say "I'm going to invent the character with maybe the dumbest name ever"?
Is El Sombrero a real character, or did Morrison just invent him?
I am seriously dumbfounded by this post
No, I'm serious, did the character actually exist prior to this or did Morrison just say "I'm going to invent the character with maybe the dumbest name ever"?
Is Batman a real character or did Bob Kane and Bill Finger just invent him?
Is El Sombrero a real character, or did Morrison just invent him?
I am seriously dumbfounded by this post
No, I'm serious, did the character actually exist prior to this or did Morrison just say "I'm going to invent the character with maybe the dumbest name ever"?
Is Batman a real character or did Bob Kane and Bill Finger just invent him?
Is El Sombrero a real character, or did Morrison just invent him?
I am seriously dumbfounded by this post
No, I'm serious, did the character actually exist prior to this or did Morrison just say "I'm going to invent the character with maybe the dumbest name ever"?
Is Batman a real character or did Bob Kane and Bill Finger just invent him?
Is El Sombrero a real character, or did Morrison just invent him?
I am seriously dumbfounded by this post
No, I'm serious, did the character actually exist prior to this or did Morrison just say "I'm going to invent the character with maybe the dumbest name ever"?
Is Batman a real character or did Bob Kane and Bill Finger just invent him?
that the Batman of Zur En Arrh was set up by bruce wayne
Can you explain this one a little, as I'm a moron
Here's what we know so far:
Batman, in an insanely absurd demonstration of the "he can beat anyone, if he has time to plan" fanboy mentality, apparently foresaw the possibility that some enemy would find away to strip away the Bruce Wayne and Batman personalities. To combat this, he somehow (through means unknown) developed a third, hidden personality, the Batman of Zur En Arrh, which lay dormant inside of him.
This personality is based off a hallucination he had during a military drug and sensory deprivation experiment (apparently much of the Silver Age wackiness was a part of this), during which one of the doctors, Dr. Hate (who is now impersonating Thomas Wayne, physically, through surgery, etc.) implanted the hypnotic cues necessary to later strip away those "healthy" Bruce Wayne/Batman personalities.
Thus, having now been triggered, Bruce Wayne and Batman are 'gone' (perhaps permanently) leaving only The Batman of Zur En Arrh inhabiting that body. That Batman is now on a slowly building rampage, guided by a peculiar hallucination of Bat-Mite.
The experiment was, I think, in a Silver Age story called "Robin Dies at Dawn"
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The way it works is, in Batman's currently drugged up state, everything he's doing and the world he's perceiving is completely normal and rational. The trick is that if you, the reader, tried reading this while drugged up, it would make perfect sense to all of you. No longer will you be perceiving things as outside observers, but from the very perspective of Batman himself. Genius.
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Ok, I can't keep a straight face any longer....
I am sure this stuff with Doctor Hurt
We know from the RIP "crossover" issues in Detective Comics that Hush, and more than likely all of the Black Glove crime group have access to very advanced plastic surgery methods.
In fact, in the Detective Comics issue where Hush goes under the knife, he could easily be the one who became
But I find out that I dont really like him or find him interesting.
But mostly I just think that within 5 years, this arc will already be horribly, horribly dated, and probably within 10 or so another crisis will happen, and this bit of the continuity will be swept under the carpet like it never happened. I also can't believe this is going on against a franchise film, but I know that's already been discussed here.
you would be bitching just as much if not more if they had changed Batman for the movie release
this week's issue was fucking boss, and finally confirmed what I thought:
SERVO EDIT-thanks, nice spoilers
SPOILERS!
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Then shut up
HadjiQuest, please don't ever post.
I liked this issue, but where the hell was the Robin and Damian stuff we were promised?
Also: Batman Zur Ennh Ah wields the chair leg of truth.
Actually, however time will judge this story, I don't think it's going to be a big deal. It is really a "harmless retcon" in that nothing changed doesn't change the way people write Batman stories.
I guess the actual "end" of Batman might be major enough, but we all know it's not going to be permanent, so it won't really require a crisis to wipe away.
I really don't think the events of this arc will have a big impact on future bat stories when all is said and done.
continue/carry on with your conversation.
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Here's what we know so far:
This personality is based off a hallucination he had during a military drug and sensory deprivation experiment (apparently much of the Silver Age wackiness was a part of this), during which one of the doctors, Dr. Hate (who is now impersonating Thomas Wayne, physically, through surgery, etc.) implanted the hypnotic cues necessary to later strip away those "healthy" Bruce Wayne/Batman personalities.
Thus, having now been triggered, Bruce Wayne and Batman are 'gone' (perhaps permanently) leaving only The Batman of Zur En Arrh inhabiting that body. That Batman is now on a slowly building rampage, guided by a peculiar hallucination of Bat-Mite.
Man that is exactly what I thought when I saw those pages where Batman's questioning Charlie Caligula.