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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    I think "donate money to a charity so that a company gives us a better ending to a game" is

    well, I can think of less worthy charities

    but

    not many

    hate me for this opinion or not, there it is

    less worthy charity?

    it's not a charity

    it's a reason to give to charity

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    My only problem is I am trying so hard to avoid spoilers because if it works out I am picking this game up in two weeks

    Yeah...

    I think we could argue about it in the abstract, and avoid spoilers...

    I hope, but I am not touching it yet

    Maybe I will

    I dont know

    Make a thread!

  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    I've only eaten meat twice in the last two weeks.

    I grew up a meat and potatoes boy.

    Losing my religion.

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
    idk why this is such a surprising thing

    its only recently that content creators have been able to control the content that you have bought from them after you bought it

    if you wanted to change the ending to a book youd have to mail out a new ending and get them to stick it in

    whereas for this you can literally deliver a new ending to people

    if books had been digital from the start poor old dickens would have been inundated with letters asking for happy endings and petitions and then beaten with oversized quills

    i am baffled by people who see this as a question of "art" - its just simply not been a practical thing to do until now

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    I've only eaten meat twice in the last two weeks.

    I grew up a meat and potatoes boy.

    Losing my religion.

    I haven't had meat all day

    if you don't count nibbling at the fridge

    yesterday I had a lunch of meat, with meat

    and spaghetti carbonara for dinner

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    I think "donate money to a charity so that a company gives us a better ending to a game" is

    well, I can think of less worthy charities

    but

    not many

    hate me for this opinion or not, there it is

    less worthy charity?

    it's not a charity

    it's a reason to give to charity

    fair enough I guess

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

    It's an attempt to force a change through social outrage. I don't think it's that weird, I think it communicates pretty well what's happening. Like, "suggestion" doesn't work when it's a big chunk of angry frothing fans. A suggestion would be like "maybe don't end things quite like this next time" not "YOU GUYS NEED TO CHANGE THIS ENDING IT IS UNACCEPTABLE EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THIS WILL NOT STAND"

    ...next time they make me3?

    next time they make a game
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    whole point of the charity guys was not to be like the entitled crapbags

    and they're not!

    they're going

    hey, we're not being entitled crapbags

    we would just like a better ending, to an amazing thing we love

    Oh are the charity guys separate and not frothy? Cause I guess that's fine if it's just a request of new content. Especially if what they're requesting is optional DLC. Nothing wrong with asking for new/more content necessarily. It's the idea that fans would demand a damn do-over because they didn't like part of a story. If you didn't like an ending, that's just an ending you didn't like. It is not a slight that must be corrected.

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    idk why this is such a surprising thing

    its only recently that content creators have been able to control the content that you have bought from them after you bought it

    if you wanted to change the ending to a book youd have to mail out a new ending and get them to stick it in

    whereas for this you can literally deliver a new ending to people

    if books had been digital from the start poor old dickens would have been inundated with letters asking for happy endings and petitions and then beaten with oversized quills

    i am baffled by people who see this as a question of "art" - its just simply not been a practical thing to do until now

    If someone is receptive to making new endings to their thing then fine but getting pressured to do it because your fanbase is revolting makes me feel sorry for Bioware.

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    Anybody know what's going on in China?

    Anybody know what's going in America...?

    Someone please tell us, we have no idea

    seriously

  • 21stCentury21stCentury Bismuth OS Fully Operational 2019-07-12 - KeystoneRegistered User regular
    This raspberry Frogurt i made is just so good.

    SO GOOOOOD...

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    idk why this is such a surprising thing

    its only recently that content creators have been able to control the content that you have bought from them after you bought it

    if you wanted to change the ending to a book youd have to mail out a new ending and get them to stick it in

    whereas for this you can literally deliver a new ending to people

    if books had been digital from the start poor old dickens would have been inundated with letters asking for happy endings and petitions and then beaten with oversized quills

    i am baffled by people who see this as a question of "art" - its just simply not been a practical thing to do until now

    they're not gonna change the ending, I'm sure

    make an epilogue or an appending bit of something that makes it go down better, probably

    which is not unheard of in other media

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    rayofash wrote: »
    Anybody know what's going on in China?

    Anybody know what's going in America...?

    No, really, what are you referring to?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

    It's an attempt to force a change through social outrage. I don't think it's that weird, I think it communicates pretty well what's happening. Like, "suggestion" doesn't work when it's a big chunk of angry frothing fans. A suggestion would be like "maybe don't end things quite like this next time" not "YOU GUYS NEED TO CHANGE THIS ENDING IT IS UNACCEPTABLE EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THIS WILL NOT STAND"

    ...next time they make me3?

    next time they make a game
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    whole point of the charity guys was not to be like the entitled crapbags

    and they're not!

    they're going

    hey, we're not being entitled crapbags

    we would just like a better ending, to an amazing thing we love

    Oh are the charity guys separate and not frothy? Cause I guess that's fine if it's just a request of new content. Especially if what they're requesting is optional DLC. Nothing wrong with asking for new/more content necessarily. It's the idea that fans would demand a damn do-over because they didn't like part of a story. If you didn't like an ending, that's just an ending you didn't like. It is not a slight that must be corrected.

    yeah the charity thing was specifically meant to be anti-frothy

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    What is the deal with China, I mean come on.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    I think "donate money to a charity so that a company gives us a better ending to a game" is

    well, I can think of less worthy charities

    but

    not many

    hate me for this opinion or not, there it is

    less worthy charity?

    it's not a charity

    it's a reason to give to charity

    fair enough I guess

    as blackmail goes, "do as I say or I'll not donate all this money to charity after all!" isn't so bad

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Arch wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    My only problem is I am trying so hard to avoid spoilers because if it works out I am picking this game up in two weeks

    Yeah...

    I think we could argue about it in the abstract, and avoid spoilers...

    I hope, but I am not touching it yet

    Maybe I will

    I dont know

    Make a thread!

    Working on OP.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
    arch you do realise the donations go to childs play rite

    re: bioware's fanbase

    theyre big boys, im sure theyll be fine

    their vocal fanbase has always been stuffed to the gills with vile excrescences so this will hardly be new to any of them that have ever ventured into the forums - see what happened after da2

    its just in this case theres one particular issue to rally around, rather than a whole bunch of things (as was the case with da2, which suffered from more than one obvious problem)

    i mean it sucks to be told something you made was crap but... in this case i cant think of a single person i know who has actually said they thought the ending was good, so its not like its a terrible stretch. if they produce a better ending to the whole thing that leaves people feeling emotionally satisfied its a net win. plus they get to learn something about why their old ending was shitty and they improve and everybody is happy and the children will dance and sing with gumdrop smiles

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

    It's an attempt to force a change through social outrage. I don't think it's that weird, I think it communicates pretty well what's happening. Like, "suggestion" doesn't work when it's a big chunk of angry frothing fans. A suggestion would be like "maybe don't end things quite like this next time" not "YOU GUYS NEED TO CHANGE THIS ENDING IT IS UNACCEPTABLE EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THIS WILL NOT STAND"

    ...next time they make me3?

    next time they make a game
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    whole point of the charity guys was not to be like the entitled crapbags

    and they're not!

    they're going

    hey, we're not being entitled crapbags

    we would just like a better ending, to an amazing thing we love

    Oh are the charity guys separate and not frothy? Cause I guess that's fine if it's just a request of new content. Especially if what they're requesting is optional DLC. Nothing wrong with asking for new/more content necessarily. It's the idea that fans would demand a damn do-over because they didn't like part of a story. If you didn't like an ending, that's just an ending you didn't like. It is not a slight that must be corrected.

    pretty sure not ending things like that would not be a problem when making a new game since it would be a new game and not the same

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    Anybody know what's going on in China?

    Anybody know what's going in America...?

    No, really, what are you referring to?

    Tanks rolled into Beijing and apparently shots have been fired. There are rumors of a coup but the internet censors cracked down on them pretty hard.

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    arch you do realise the donations go to childs play rite

    i should have said "reasons to donate to charity"

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    it's for their own good

    bioware will emerge stronger from this experience and go on to glorious things

    take the long view, people

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Hell, Bioware should do this every time. Make controversial ending that

    A: Infuriates entitled crapbags

    B: Inspires calmer people to give to charity

    C: Guarantees DLC purchases

    It's win win win

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    the reasons to give to charity is kind of irrelevant

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Hell, Bioware should do this every time. Make controversial ending that

    A: Infuriates entitled crapbags

    B: Inspires calmer people to give to charity

    C: Guarantees DLC purchases

    It's win win win

    Fuck if my fanbase was crazy I'd troll the fuck out of them.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
    where you gettin that info about china mr rayofash

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
    rayofash wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    Anybody know what's going on in China?

    Anybody know what's going in America...?

    No, really, what are you referring to?

    Tanks rolled into Beijing and apparently shots have been fired. There are rumors of a coup but the internet censors cracked down on them pretty hard.

    When I heard the story, it was just gunfire. Seems to be a rumour though.

    ronya on
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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

    Wait are they making a third Dragon Age? Man.

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

    it would definitely be cool to see a new IP

    maybe they could do a western!

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

    Wait are they making a third Dragon Age? Man.

    I heard rumours about that. Rumours I heard here though. Hang on. Will investigate.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    If bioware make me pay for a proper ending fuck them, that should be free if it happens.

    Yeah man, I tell ya what, man, that dang ol' internet, man, you just go in on there and point and click, talk about w-w-dot-w-com, mean you got the naked chicks on there, man, just go click, click, click, click, click, it's real easy, man.
  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

    it would definitely be cool to see a new IP

    maybe they could do a western!

    Gay cowboys.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Oh, yeah, it's confirmed. They're doing DA3.

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    where you gettin that info about china mr rayofash

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/21/inside-the-ring-436080940/

    There are other sources. They're all just rumors though. I know a few people here live in China so I was hoping somebody might have some info here.

  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Does anyone know any good tricks to finding files

    I have searched my g-mail, gone through my documents file on both computers, and checked my school e-mail

    I KNOW I did this I just have no idea where it is.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Does anyone know any good tricks to finding files

    I have searched my g-mail, gone through my documents file on both computers, and checked my school e-mail

    I KNOW I did this I just have no idea where it is.
    don't you just hate it when you hide your secret porn so well that you can't find it when you want to

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    rayofash wrote: »
    where you gettin that info about china mr rayofash

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/21/inside-the-ring-436080940/

    There are other sources. They're all just rumors though. I know a few people here live in China so I was hoping somebody might have some info here.

    honestly unless they live in the relevant part of beijing itself, they are unlikely to have better information than random Chinese netizens

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    If bioware make me pay for a proper ending fuck them, that should be free if it happens.

    No they should definitely suck money out of the whiners.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    so

    what'll Bioware's next thing be, after DA3?

    it would definitely be cool to see a new IP

    maybe they could do a western!

    Eeeeeeh. More shooting?

    They're not really all that good at it. Like, they got some bits down that was really fun eventually - the shooting itself, in ME3, what with all the weapons and such - but they're still doing bad sticky cover and such

    maybe if they get the chance to start over they can make gameplay that's thoroughly good, instead of something that at best feels rotten in the core.

    I'm just thinking

    what kind of game would be best for them? What would benefit most from the bioware way of doing things?

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    idk why this is such a surprising thing

    its only recently that content creators have been able to control the content that you have bought from them after you bought it

    if you wanted to change the ending to a book youd have to mail out a new ending and get them to stick it in

    whereas for this you can literally deliver a new ending to people

    if books had been digital from the start poor old dickens would have been inundated with letters asking for happy endings and petitions and then beaten with oversized quills

    i am baffled by people who see this as a question of "art" - its just simply not been a practical thing to do until now

    you say that as if that didn't happen to Dickens

    fuck gendered marketing
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