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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    every venezuelan i've met hates chavez with a firey passion

    i've met like, 10 venezuelans, so my sample size is small

    but they've all hated him

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    well, the pennsylvania version of UHC for the poor is fucking awesome

    you should push to have it in place (or something similar) for everyone

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    If that's a common problem that sucks. But it would probably vary nation to nation.

    There's no one size fits all either.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Ireland of yorn and I don't know maybe not today either with the economy (tm) might not be a good example of universal healthcare.

    PSN: Honkalot
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    See, if I need an operation, it's just not going to happen. Or I'd have to drop out of school and then use loan money to pay for it, or just go to the ER, have it done, and skip out on the bill. Whereas the mandate or a single payer option will increase wait times maybe but also make it so I could actually get a necessary procedure.

    As for anecdotal evidence, everyone I've met here in Scotland loves the NHS so /shrug

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    I can give lots of similar stories here in the US. Hell I can tell you how my doctors ignored me hitting a 10 on the pain scale due to an abscess sitting on my nerve. And just ignored my calling about it and told me to go see a different specialist.

    Basically the US health system almost killed me ignoring my symptoms and due to the difficulty of getting an appointment with specialist. I had insurance and the money to pay for it all.

    This shit happens in every health care system.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    last week I shared the story of how losing my insurance a couple years ago nearly killed me, and how I would gladly wait in a line

    I was told that that "wasn't fair"

    would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many fucks I give

    To be frank, being that selfish disgusts me.

    My dad pays way more in taxes than he would have to spend on medical expenses and insurances for us - including my quite costly fall out a 2nd story window and he's happy to pay those taxes.

    So are most people. Some may grumble but people don't do the whole "why should I pay for someone elses hip replacement" that makes me want to smash faces in with a cobblestone.

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  • Disco TerrierDisco Terrier Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    every venezuelan i've met hates chavez with a firey passion

    i've met like, 10 venezuelans, so my sample size is small

    but they've all hated him

    I don't hate him.

    I just think he is a walking advertisement with no actual control over the infrastructure of the country.

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    It'll take 8 months or so before I see therapist...

    it makes sense, i'm not perfectly in control, but it's not an emergency at this point. I'm not at risk for suicide, not anymore.

  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    well, we need some form of heavily subsidized healthcare available to everyone. i can't imagine you disagree with that, since you're a charitable person. if someone is so rich that they can pay for a triple bypass open heart surgery in cash, then cool, let them have 0 lines and no bureaucracy or whatever you're afraid of in their black market rich person hospital.

    but for the rest of us- even middle class people- medical expenses can ruin our lives. how do you propose making it so that every single american citizen receives the best medical treatment that our infrastructure can deliver?

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  • SparvySparvy Registered User regular
    My dad works for company who is owned by the venezuelan state (or, a majority of their shares anyway)

    I think he hates chavez as well

    Has spent like the last 5 years or more secretly trying to find buyers to buy them loose.

    Hasn't worked

  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    PSN: Honkalot
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I once waited in a radiology waiting room for twelve hours to get my testicles checked for a tumor and they only gave me the procedure cause I was sitting there when the lights got shut off and the doctor tried to go home.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    man

    it's a shame that we have all those shitty white supremacy militias in central PA

    because our state government seems p cool, very poor-people-friendly
    in retrospect I guess expanding Medicare Part P for Paranoid was a mistake
    We need to expand Medicare Part D to encompass all of Medicare.

    In this case, "D" stands for "Death Panel."

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    Well, as previously established, the irish are shit at health care.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    every venezuelan i've met hates chavez with a firey passion

    i've met like, 10 venezuelans, so my sample size is small

    but they've all hated him

    I don't hate him.

    I just think he is a walking advertisement with no actual control over the infrastructure of the country.

    do you think if he had "actual" control things would be better?

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    I can give lots of similar stories here in the US. Hell I can tell you how my doctors ignored me hitting a 10 on the pain scale due to an abscess sitting on my nerve. And just ignored my calling about it and told me to go see a different specialist.

    Basically the US health system almost killed me ignoring my symptoms and due to the difficulty of getting an appointment with specialist. I had insurance and the money to pay for it all.

    This shit happens in every health care system.

    There is a difference in getting bad doctors (ignoring symptoms) and having good doctors who simply cannot offer you care (bad system). Bad doctors are everywhere. Bad system is what I worry we will create.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    Well, you do have a lot of irish blood diluted into your country. That might pose a problem.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    I'm up to 8 pills/day

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    There is a difference in getting bad doctors (ignoring symptoms) and having good doctors who simply cannot offer you care (bad system). Bad doctors are everywhere. Bad system is what I worry we will create.
    We are already at bad system.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    I can give lots of similar stories here in the US. Hell I can tell you how my doctors ignored me hitting a 10 on the pain scale due to an abscess sitting on my nerve. And just ignored my calling about it and told me to go see a different specialist.

    Basically the US health system almost killed me ignoring my symptoms and due to the difficulty of getting an appointment with specialist. I had insurance and the money to pay for it all.

    This shit happens in every health care system.

    There is a difference in getting bad doctors (ignoring symptoms) and having good doctors who simply cannot offer you care (bad system). Bad doctors are everywhere. Bad system is what I worry we will create.

    How can you make a worse system than what you have

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  • mrflippymrflippy Registered User regular
    I'm so sick of dealing with my bank and its fees. I wonder whether I can do everything through my USAA credit union account.

  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Ah, wait times. Because everybody knows it is better to not have to wait for the treatment you can't afford than to get treatment at all.

    People who can afford the treatment - like me and my family - can shut up forever about waittimes.

    Just pay to go somewhere there isn't a line, then.

    Frankly I don't give a shit about the level of health care the rich get.

    My experience with universal healthcare in Ireland was that "wait time" sometimes means "you will never, ever see a doctor for this, ever".

    We waited two years for a tonsillectomy that was never even scheduled despite multiple requests from our family doctor. Flew home, got it done in the first week with no insurance. Paid about a thousand for it, which is a lot but at least it got done. Operating surgeon was mad at first because it was obvious she'd needed the operation years ago and wanted to know what the fuck was wrong with us. Her soft palate was screwed up for about 5 years after that, because of the wait.

    I can give lots of similar stories here in the US. Hell I can tell you how my doctors ignored me hitting a 10 on the pain scale due to an abscess sitting on my nerve. And just ignored my calling about it and told me to go see a different specialist.

    Basically the US health system almost killed me ignoring my symptoms and due to the difficulty of getting an appointment with specialist. I had insurance and the money to pay for it all.

    This shit happens in every health care system.

    There is a difference in getting bad doctors (ignoring symptoms) and having good doctors who simply cannot offer you care (bad system). Bad doctors are everywhere. Bad system is what I worry we will create.

    The symptoms were ignored because of the design of the system. The US system is bad right now. Overspecialized, poor levels of access to care and the ability to ruin your life in more than a physical way due to cost.

    Once again, I am not pushing for a fully socialized system including all the hospitals and doctors. I am instead pushing for a national health insurance program which everyone has to buy into or buy private insurance. That way everyone is covered and able to receive treatment without fear of declaring bankruptcy or losing their finical well being. Access to health care with out fear is a human right. As per the universal declaration on human rights.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Honk wrote: »
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    What if there are simply not enough doctors?

    Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Variable wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

    EAT SHIT CANADA

    WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    What if there are simply not enough doctors?

    Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.

    the answer is kind of obvious, Spool.

    if there aren't enough doctors, then there aren't enough doctors.

    how is that a problem specific to UHC?

    EDIT: Even though that's a problem somebody somewhere deserves to be slapped for the country having.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

    EAT SHIT CANADA

    WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!

    This is an emotional appeal carrying an empty promise.

  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    i want to institute american universal healthcare and then make a mascot- maybe Dr. Stars and Stripes- and then have him travel around the world terrorizing the foremost medical institutions like godzilla, stomping on the pediatric and oncological wings

    Organichu on
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    Well, you do have a lot of irish blood diluted into your country. That might pose a problem.

    Racist.

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  • Disco TerrierDisco Terrier Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    every venezuelan i've met hates chavez with a firey passion

    i've met like, 10 venezuelans, so my sample size is small

    but they've all hated him

    I don't hate him.

    I just think he is a walking advertisement with no actual control over the infrastructure of the country.

    do you think if he had "actual" control things would be better?

    Sure. If his underlings didn't sleaze up the country behind his back things would be so much better.

    Not that he doesn't have some horrible policies regarding LGBT rights and such.

    A lot of the bad things that have happened during his government are clearly perpetrated by the political opposition though, like food shortages.

    What I'm saying is, he's definitely not worse than most presidents. Venezuela has a history of incredibly shit rulers and dictators.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

    EAT SHIT CANADA

    WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
    I don't feel like searching for it, how did you feel about the optional Medicare buy-in? Like, choose between private insurance and entering the system currently just for old people?

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    What if there are simply not enough doctors?

    Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.

    Sad story, bro, but this smacks of "I've got mine" mentality. If we need more doctors, I imagine we could find them in the most economically dynamic nation in the history of the Earth. One cannot say "America, Fuck Yeah!" and then say "Oh, well, we'll fuckity fuck it up fo' sho'"

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

    EAT SHIT CANADA

    WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!

    Yes. You do that, and then we can be all

    "Come on, guys, the americans are gaining on us. I mean, come on, this is just embarassing"

    and then you can be etc. etc. etc.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.

    But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.

    fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.

    OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO

    EAT SHIT CANADA

    WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!

    apple pie
    muscle cars
    icbms
    jean jackets
    michael bay movies

    YOURE WELCOME REST OF THE PLANET

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    What if there are simply not enough doctors?

    Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.

    While there could always be more doctors, it seems to be working pretty well. Someone with expertise skill on a rare brain disease is likely alone in his field, but there will also not be a lot of people with that disease.

    I have an very rare liver disease and I have had plenty of specialists over the years. I can reach them pretty quickly too. Email or phone, scheduling a visit usually takes about two months advance though. Unless it's urgent, but I'm most likely to deal with ER people in that case anyway.

    Just a trivia but we seem to attract a lot of surgeons from Iceland, I don't really know why.

    PSN: Honkalot
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.

    There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.

    Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.

    What if there are simply not enough doctors?

    Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.

    The lack of doctors is a different problem. Mostly due to the cost of becoming a doctor. Most come out of school with a quarter of a million dollars in debt. Private practice is expensive and hard to do. And the current system requires a long training time which probably isn't required. Instead a 5 year training(basically no undergrad degree required, you go straight to med school) that is subsidized by the government for agreements to be general practitioners or other high demand fields for the money for a certain period of time.

    But the lack of doctors is both in the US and countries with socialized medicine. This is a completely different discussion.

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