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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    If the Council races reaction to the Reaper invasions are any indication, the rachni situation likely reached the point it did because of each race not really giving a shit until it was on their doorstep anyway.

  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    yeah, anyone of a race that committed genocide clearly deserves to have genocide committed against them

    They aren't being genocided

    the overwhelming majority of their children die before they carry them to term because of a disease that was designed to destroy their ability to reproduce

    how the fuck is that not genocide?

    Academically.

    The above is eugenics, genocide would be rounding up not only the litter of birth but also their mother, father, uncle, etc. and destroying them by hand.

    Splitting hairs, but there is a hair to split.

    well I'm glad you can tell the difference between actively murdering children and passively allowing them to die by the Billions, capitol "B", from a disease that was designed to destroy their entire culture

    Shepard says this almost verbatim in ME2 and Mordin explains it wasn't designed to destroy the Krogan. It was there to preserve them.

    Intent is very important when determining if something is genocidal.

    yeah, there's a lot of ways to rationalize genocide

    the best of them is saying that it is for their own good

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    You are adorable.

    Aren't you? Aren't you?

    Quite not, just not really in a mood to really argue against soap-boxing.

    I find being lightly trollish carries the most weight in those situations, anyway.

    You think this is soapboxing?

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Holy shit that strat using that little room in firebase white with a sal eng is super bullshit

    got survive 10 waves on gold using that room, whole game only took 26 minutes

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    I dunno, I pretty much agree with Mordin across the board

    The uplifting was a mistake to begin with, and while the genophage may have been the "right" solution to the problem, it was a problem caused by Salarian's in the first place.

    And judging by Sur Kesh, they seemed to have learned fuck all from the experience.

    yeah

    uplifting them in the first place was wrong, and while the genophage is morally dubious it's the best possible solution to that mistake.

    of course the uplift was in response to the rachni, so you could make the argument that the rachni were too powerful to do anything but kill them by fucking over the krogan

    but all the details on that sort of thing are vague so you can't really make a value judgment there

    uplifting was the right move though, it not only turned the tide against the rachni but it probably saved the krogan from dying out on their little irradiated rock

    and the genophage was supposed to be a deterrent to try and get the krogans to become good neighbors

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  • Garret DoriganGarret Dorigan "Why can't I be DLC for UMvC3?"Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    Baidol wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    yeah, anyone of a race that committed genocide clearly deserves to have genocide committed against them

    They aren't being genocided

    the overwhelming majority of their children die before they carry them to term because of a disease that was designed to destroy their ability to reproduce

    how the fuck is that not genocide?

    Academically.

    The above is eugenics, genocide would be rounding up not only the litter of birth but also their mother, father, uncle, etc. and destroying them by hand.

    Splitting hairs, but there is a hair to split.

    well I'm glad you can tell the difference between actively murdering children and passively allowing them to die by the Billions, capitol "B", from a disease that was designed to destroy their entire culture

    Shepard says this almost verbatim in ME2 and Mordin explains it wasn't designed to destroy the Krogan. It was there to preserve them.

    Intent is very important when determining if something is genocidal.

    yeah, there's a lot of ways to rationalize genocide

    the best of them is saying that it is for their own good

    12199965.gif

    You are adorable.

    Aren't you? Aren't you?

    Quite not, just not really in a mood to really argue against soap-boxing.

    I find being lightly trollish carries the most weight in those situations, anyway.

    You think this is soapboxing?

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Speaking one's views passionately and self-importantly, refusing to acknowledge applicable arguments against?

    Yeah... a bit.

    But, conversely, I care little.

    "Never Hit"
  • SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    which little room

    the one off from the central stairwell?

  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Seriously wrote: »
    which little room

    the one off from the central stairwell?

    starting from the landing pad, take the stairs straight down to the left and the little room is on the right

    somebody posted a drawing of the set up but by camping out in there you essentially control the spawns and with geth they don't have any camping units so you'll only ever have to leave on hacking/turning on the 4 things objectives

    and geth also don't have charging units or OHKO units so

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Holy shit that strat using that little room in firebase white with a sal eng is super bullshit

    got survive 10 waves on gold using that room, whole game only took 26 minutes

    go on...

  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    Baidol wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    yeah, anyone of a race that committed genocide clearly deserves to have genocide committed against them

    They aren't being genocided

    the overwhelming majority of their children die before they carry them to term because of a disease that was designed to destroy their ability to reproduce

    how the fuck is that not genocide?

    Academically.

    The above is eugenics, genocide would be rounding up not only the litter of birth but also their mother, father, uncle, etc. and destroying them by hand.

    Splitting hairs, but there is a hair to split.

    well I'm glad you can tell the difference between actively murdering children and passively allowing them to die by the Billions, capitol "B", from a disease that was designed to destroy their entire culture

    Shepard says this almost verbatim in ME2 and Mordin explains it wasn't designed to destroy the Krogan. It was there to preserve them.

    Intent is very important when determining if something is genocidal.

    yeah, there's a lot of ways to rationalize genocide

    the best of them is saying that it is for their own good

    12199965.gif

    You are adorable.

    Aren't you? Aren't you?

    Quite not, just not really in a mood to really argue against soap-boxing.

    I find being lightly trollish carries the most weight in those situations, anyway.

    You think this is soapboxing?

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Speaking one's views passionately and self-importantly, refusing to acknowledge applicable arguments against?

    Yeah... a bit.

    But, conversely, I care little.

    fert

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    If the Citadel races reaction to the Reaper invasions are any indication, the rachni situation likely only reached the point it did because of each race not really giving a shit until it was on their doorstep anyway.

  • SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    oh wait white not glacier

    those names are ass backwards

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    just have your whole team take cover behind the two computer consoles in there and kill folks as they come in

    you will get lots of grabs on pyros and probably a few hunters

    just have a salarian engineer keep decoy up and that will keep most of the heat off the team

    this strategy is notably less useful against reapers because they have things like banshees and grenades

  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    If the Citadel races reaction to the Reaper invasions are any indication, the rachni situation likely only reached the point it did because of each race not really giving a shit until it was on their doorstep anyway.

    uh
    at that time the citadel races were
    A. the salarians
    and
    B. the asari
    they opened up that relay and bam the rachni came right through
    also I remember a line about the rachni reaching or nearly reaching thessia at some point

    there weren't really any other doorsteps for the problem to be on

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    I should look up a timeline for the current cycle, it's hard to remember what the hell happened when and for how long

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  • OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    I have determined I am not allowed to play any Mass Effect game. I lost all my saves when my xbox hard drive died. I replayed Mass Effect one no problem, but I am playing Mass Effect 2 and just got the character reset glitch for the first time ever. Right before the final assault I am now level 1 with no credits or resources.

    Thanks, game. That's just what I needed. Hopefully my decisions werent erased. I have a feeling they were.

  • SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    Every so often I would see a random team mate run and camp down there but I didn't know they were actually on to something

    I should probably work on finding good set-up spots

  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    I have determined I am not allowed to play any Mass Effect game. I lost all my saves when my xbox hard drive died. I replayed Mass Effect one no problem, but I am playing Mass Effect 2 and just got the character reset glitch for the first time ever. Right before the final assault I am now level 1 with no credits or resources.

    Thanks, game. That's just what I needed. Hopefully my decisions werent erased. I have a feeling they were.

    Dang. D:

    Switch Friend Code: SW-6680-6709-4204


  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Oh, N7 Valiant.

    I know I said you were good in multiplayer and pooey in single-player.

    I was wrong, baby. You know you treat me right. I'll never put you aside again. When I play Insanity, you're my forever girl.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Seriously wrote: »
    Every so often I would see a random team mate run and camp down there but I didn't know they were actually on to something

    I should probably work on finding good set-up spots

    yeah it works great, lots of cover and limited line of sight means the enemy will always be moving into your view rather than you having to find them

    the salarian engineer is probably the most important part though, because he drops the decoy in a spot where every enemy walks when they're trying to get to you and they fixate on that decoy like that creepy dog on those muffins

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Chapter 15 of Marauder Shields is out:

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Woo, second-last person in line before the cut-off for the ME team meet & autographs. Now I just need to hope Taky is actually in there.

  • jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    yea on gold the reaper cannibals spam grenades.
    like... spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam...

  • DuxDux A host to DarknessRegistered User regular
    Dux wrote: »
    wrex himself points out in ME1 that the genophage isn't what's killing the krogan, it's the fact that most krogan would prefer to go out into space and spend their lives as mercenaries than stay on Tuchanka and work on building up their race

    Well yeah, but that's because most of them are suicidally depressed death seekers.

    were they suicidally depressed death-seekers back when millions of krogan died every day to thresher maw/klixen/varren attacks?

    Probably not to the same extent because adults dying has a different effect on people than newborns dying,

    but whatever, it all depends on your ethics regarding the matter and me getting all heated over it is somewhat silly because ultimately it's about fictional space dino people in a videogame.

  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Holy shit that strat using that little room in firebase white with a sal eng is super bullshit

    got survive 10 waves on gold using that room, whole game only took 26 minutes

    I did this with a team yesterday of engineers and my infiltrator. I started the day with 25 credits and ended with over 400k.

    Just hung out in that room and if devices needed activated, I would cloak and go do it.

    And that one spot of cover is a great place to do grab insta-kills.

    So much fun.

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  • RainfallRainfall Registered User regular
    Finally unlocked Asari Adept. I'm just shy Quarian Engineer of having a full roster, and that is exciting! Of course then Resurgence will come out...

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Chapter 15 of Marauder Shields is out:

    Enjoying this more than the official comics by a mile.

  • jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    I have... 315 credits.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Chapter 15 of Marauder Shields is out:

    Enjoying this more than the official comics by a mile.

    Same.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Who wants to farm gold with me on the personal computer

    I've got a couple free hours and I want all of the super spectre packs

    all of them

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Also it would be nice if there was any sort of text chat, and if the voice chat would show a little notification of who was talking

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    voice chat desperately needs a thing to say who's talking

    it is astonishingly stupid that it doesn't

  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    point being, the geth survived an attempted genocide better then the krogan.

    That tells you something.

    the salarians are better then the quarians. that is what it tells you.

  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    point being, the geth survived an attempted genocide better then the krogan.

    That tells you something.

    the salarians are better then the quarians. that is what it tells you.

    salarians are better than everybody

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Who wants to farm gold with me on the personal computer

    I've got a couple free hours and I want all of the super spectre packs

    all of them

    Sure.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    Just say "<name> out" every time you finish taking

  • HoA-playerHoA-player Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Who wants to farm gold with me on the personal computer

    I've got a couple free hours and I want all of the super spectre packs

    all of them

    Sure.

    I'd be up for it as well.

  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    or play with the same group of people and learn to recognize voices.

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I dunno, I pretty much agree with Mordin across the board

    The uplifting was a mistake to begin with, and while the genophage may have been the "right" solution to the problem, it was a problem caused by Salarian's in the first place.

    And judging by Sur Kesh, they seemed to have learned fuck all from the experience.

    yeah

    uplifting them in the first place was wrong, and while the genophage is morally dubious it's the best possible solution to that mistake.

    of course the uplift was in response to the rachni, so you could make the argument that the rachni were too powerful to do anything but kill them by fucking over the krogan

    but all the details on that sort of thing are vague so you can't really make a value judgment there

    uplifting was the right move though, it not only turned the tide against the rachni but it probably saved the krogan from dying out on their little irradiated rock

    and the genophage was supposed to be a deterrent to try and get the krogans to become good neighbors

    they might have died from nuclear fallout

    the codex in 3 says they would have

    but mordin in 2 says that the best thing for the krogan would have been to wait a few thousand years before making contact with them, so clearly he, the foremost authority in the galaxy on all things krogan, didn't think that their extinction was inevitable

    again, most of the details of the rachni wars and the krogan uplift are up for speculation

  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    tuchanka
    Thinking about it more

    I think with Wrex and Eve there is a high chance that a cured krogan wouldn't repeat the mistakes of the rebellions

    however

    unless they manage to tightly regulate breeding or something, they're going to end up overpopulating any planet they colonize, and pretty much the only possible results of that are keeping their numbers down with constant civil war or ultimately expanding to other planets and restarting the war

    Neither of those options are better than the genophage

    the ideal solution is for Wrex and Eve to unite an uncured Tuchanka and find ways to rebuild the civilization with the genophage. Again, the primary problem the krogan have is that they're not interested in putting in the work necessary to rebuild, not that they don't have a high enough birth rate to allow them to.
    Well I mean Takyris flat out said Wrex and Eve usher in a cultural renaissance and redeem the krogran race. As for an uncured Tuchanka, the psychological impact of the genophage is too devastating for even Wrex and Eve to counteract in my opinion.

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